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Marty wrote:
On 11/15/2014 07:45 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote:
On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote:
>On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote:
>
>>On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
>>>
>>>There are no functional differen
On 11/15/2014 07:45 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote:
On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote:
>On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote:
>
>>On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
>>>
>>>There are no functional differences between an
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 03:43:40PM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 11/15/2014 7:20 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:55:47, Tanstaafl wrote:
> >> On 11/14/2014 5:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >>> It was claimed that sysvinit was the default *and only* (emphasis not
> >>> mine) ini
On 11/15/2014 06:49 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
On 11/14/2014 05:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote:
Jumping in here as myself, not Joel's tag-team member. :)
>"Debian" as an entity doesn't really do much. There are
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:05:49PM +0100, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 15/11/2014 20:24, Brian a écrit :
> > On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
> >> Brian wrote:
> >>> On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >>>
> On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:37:14AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> >On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> >>On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
> >>>By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates
> >>>equivalent modular alt
For those who don't read the debian-dev list:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00010.html
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote:
> On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote:
> >On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote:
> >
> >>On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> >>>
> >>>There are no functional differences between an installation with
> >>>sysvinit-cor
On 11/15/2014 at 07:21 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 2014_1807+0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
>> There are no functional differences between an installation with
>> sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is
>> installed later, this is a fact.
>
> Theory tells us this
On 16/11/14 00:21, Paul E Condon wrote:
It should be possible to install systemd on a system that already
has some other init system installed on it. This should be tested,
but how?
The obvious way is to upgrade a wheezy system, following the "upgrade to
jessie while keeping sysvinit as the in
On 15/11/14 23:04, Paul E Condon wrote:
If one could absolutely rely on apt-get always getting it right, then
"apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
could always be used to remove systemd even from a system that has
been booted into systemd and running, and not just in the context
of a pre-seed. Ri
On 2014_1807+0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:42:33 -0500,
> Tanstaafl a écrit :
>
> > On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote:
> > > Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> > >> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in
> > >> such
On 11/15/2014 at 06:37 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I suggest that the word 'default' not be used any more in this
> discussion. It serves only to obfuscate the nature of the problem.
The word "default" is used in the discussion because the initial
decision made by the Debian project in regard to t
On 2014_1200-0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 11/11/2014 11:38 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> > Other people subscribe to a meaning of "default" which, e.g., assumes
> > only that systemd will get installed as PID 1 unless some action is
> > taken to prevent it from getting so installed. That seems like
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 19:24:49 +, Brian wrote:
> Upgrading
> -
>
>After changing sources.list and an 'apt-get update' do
>
> apt-get install sysvinit-core systemd-shim
>
>Then proceed with an upgrade and dist-upgrade.
>
> New Install
> ---
>
>Use the apt-g
On 2014_0733-0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> >On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 02:02:07 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> >
> >>Am 11.11.2014 um 01:58 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> >>
> >>>Michael Biebl wrote:
> Sorry, but that is not what I asked for. I asked for "specifics".
> Your answer d
On Saturday 15 November 2014 20:38:42 Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:15:05 +
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> Hello Lisi,
>
> >Sorry, Brad. You are assuming too much functioning brain power. H264
> >has only always and never. Flash has all three, but once I have set it
>
> You're right;
Brian wrote:
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Brian wrote:
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates
equivalent modular alternati
Le 15/11/2014 20:24, Brian a écrit :
> On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
>> Brian wrote:
>>> On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>>
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
> By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain.
Patrick Ouellette writes:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 08:52:58PM +0100, lee wrote:
>>
>> Fortunately, downtime isn't an issue. I also have a 32GB USB stick, and
>> all the LVs are smaller than 32GB.
>>
>> Since there seems to be some agreement that it would be best to use
>> pvmove, I think I co
On 11/15/2014 7:20 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:55:47, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 11/14/2014 5:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>> It was claimed that sysvinit was the default *and only* (emphasis not
>>> mine) init, and therefore no selection was needed, but now that there
>>> are
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:15:05 +
Lisi Reisz wrote:
Hello Lisi,
>Sorry, Brad. You are assuming too much functioning brain power. H264
>has only always and never. Flash has all three, but once I have set it
You're right; I'd not noticed that before. Sorry.
>to ask to activate, where is the
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> >On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> >>On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
> >>>By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates
> >>>equivalent modular altern
On 15-11-2014 16:59, Brian wrote:
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 15:22:06 +0200, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote:
On 15-11-2014 14:17, Brian wrote:
>On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
>>On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
>>>
>>> By the same token systemd is a major waste
On 11/15/2014 08:51 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2014-11-15, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it?
Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ?
Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical
errors of the slothful and the ignorant
Brian wrote:
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates
equivalent modular alternatives, and also requires unnecessary effort to
repair damage from excessive co
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 07:55:23, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Note that there seems to be an ongoing issue with whether or not the
installer will issue a warning before a package dependency leads to an
automatic change to systemd. See bugs 765803 and 762194.
"installer
2014/11/15 22:57 "Andrei POPESCU" :
>
> On Sb, 15 nov 14, 22:05:58, Joel Rees wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Andrei POPESCU
> > wrote:
> > > [(clipping too much, I now realize)]
> > > The transition plan[5] has been posted on -devel since July with no
> > > objections.
> > >
> > > [5]
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:51:44 + (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> >> Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it?
> > Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ?
> Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical
> errors of the slothful and the ignorant, convert h
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 15:22:06 +0200, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote:
> On 15-11-2014 14:17, Brian wrote:
> >On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> >>On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
> >>>
> >>> By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It
>
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 01:34:36PM -0800, Bob McGowan wrote:
> What I found shows both qsynth and fluidsynth depend on jackd, since I did
> not have jackd installed and both refused to run, with the same error
> message, to the effect that "jackd could not be found or started."
>
> It would seem t
On 2014-11-15, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
>>
>> Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it?
>
> Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ?
>
Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical
errors of the slothful and the ignorant, convert html to text, ignor
On Sb, 15 nov 14, 22:05:58, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Andrei POPESCU
> wrote:
> > [(clipping too much, I now realize)]
> > The transition plan[5] has been posted on -devel since July with no
> > objections.
> >
> > [5] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg0061
On 15-11-2014 14:17, Brian wrote:
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
>
> By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates
> equivalent modular alternatives, and also requires unnecessary effort to
> rep
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Vi, 14 nov 14, 22:53:36, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Andrei POPESCU
>> wrote:
>> > On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote:
>> > > [...]
>> > [snip another wall of text about engineering principles]
>>
>> And
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> [(clipping too much, I now realize)]
> The transition plan[5] has been posted on -devel since July with no
> objections.
>
> [5] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00611.html
My impression is that objections logged to that thr
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:45:11 + (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> > I don't mean to single out the poster of this comment, because it is
> > something I've seen repeated by several Debian developers and some
> > non-developers. Other forms of it are "If you want that fixed, please
> > submit a patch", o
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:55:47, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 11/14/2014 5:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > It was claimed that sysvinit was the default *and only* (emphasis not
> > mine) init, and therefore no selection was needed, but now that there
> > are several a selection suddenly is needed.
>
> I d
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
> >
> > By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates
> > equivalent modular alternatives, and also requires unnecessary effort to
> > repair damage from excessive
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:49:18 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> In my opinion the best "defence" against a monopoly[1] of any kind is to
> develop competitive alternatives.
We have seen how well that worked with MS Windows over the years...
Cheers,
Ron.
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On Vi, 14 nov 14, 22:53:36, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Andrei POPESCU
> wrote:
> > On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote:
> > > [...]
> > [snip another wall of text about engineering principles]
>
> And, thus, once again,
>
> > > The engineering question keeps gett
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
> On 11/14/2014 05:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote:
>
>
> Jumping in here as myself, not Joel's tag-team member. :)
>
> >"Debian" as an entity doesn't really do much. There are only one or
> >several volunteers
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 13:27:22, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
>
> And all this says nothing about big servers, which need some
> magnitudes more of reliability, stability and scaling. E.g. not using
> plain text files for logs causes problems in the long run and in daily
> work.
The default setting
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 07:55:23, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> Note that there seems to be an ongoing issue with whether or not the
> installer will issue a warning before a package dependency leads to an
> automatic change to systemd. See bugs 765803 and 762194.
"installer" usually means De
On 2014-11-11, Rob Owens wrote:
>
> I don't mean to single out the poster of this comment, because it is
> something I've seen repeated by several Debian developers and some
> non-developers. Other forms of it are "If you want that fixed, please submit
> a patch", or the response I got to bug
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45:19PM +0200, Gokan Atmaca wrote:
> #!/bin/bash
BTW: bash is fine as a login shell, but I would not use it as a
programming language. Stick with /bin/sh if you can.
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On 2014-11-15, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> On 11/14/2014 at 07:32 PM, David wrote:
>
>> I run wheezy 7.7 on several 12" IBM X24 machines with 640k RAM.
>
> 640K?? I wouldn't expect iceweasel to even load without at least a few
> hundred times that much.
He means 640MB (it's a ThinkPad).
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> Your bash syntax, corrected:
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> #! /bin/bash
>
> if [ "$COMMAND" = "220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Postfix" ]; then
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> else
> echo "bad"
> fi
Thanks to everyone
@Wilko very thanks. its works.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Wilko Fokken wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 1
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45:19PM +0200, Gokan Atmaca wrote:
> I want to conditionally output from the bash command. for example
>
> telnet localhost 25
> 220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Postfix
>
> #! / bin / bash
> COMMAND = `telnet localhost 25`
> if ["$ COMMAND" == "220 localhost.localdomain
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