Openbox systemd-free

2014-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, The first task of my project is done. Openbox is systemd-free, and is intended to be systemd free. So that will form the GUI foundation. I'll come back in the next few days with some systemd-free panels that go well with Openbox, as well as a lock program. So far my research is telling me

Re: Installation disks

2014-10-16 Thread Gary Dale
On 16/10/14 10:38 PM, Edward Diener wrote: Debian 7.6 has 3 installation DVDs. Are all 3 needed to install Debian ? No. Just the first one. You don't even need that if you do a net install. The net install fits onto a single CD and downloads extra packages as you need them. The installation D

Installation disks

2014-10-16 Thread Edward Diener
Debian 7.6 has 3 installation DVDs. Are all 3 needed to install Debian ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m1pvfa$f87$1...@ger.gmane.org

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-16 Thread Marty
On 10/16/2014 08:41 PM, Ric Moore wrote: But, I consider it idiotic to bash Red Hat as ~anyone~ with the guts can do what Bob Young did. Just gather some talented people together around a kitchen table and create your own distro. That is perfectly legal and now they are worth billions, by start

Re: [lina.lastn...@gmail.com: Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 09:13:47PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 17 oct 14, 00:05:50, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > Lina, could you post to the list only, please. > > I haven't dived into systemd issues -- so can't help you, hoping someone > > else can. > > > > I see you refer to a [1],

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/15/2014 08:02 PM, Marty wrote: On 10/15/2014 04:19 PM, Ric Moore wrote: This is fortuitous! Not a bad gig at all. I'm sure some soreheads think that we debated WORLD DOMINATION during lunch, or how to screw over Debian, but sadly we mostly discussed what was the "Right Thing" Do yo

Re: MTAs denying messages

2014-10-16 Thread lee
Joel Rees writes: > If the isp responds with a code that says my user-id is valid, the > junk mailer knows he has a live address. They have no way of knowing whether the address is still in use or not. > If the isp responds to the bad ones with an invalid user-id code, any > user-id that doesn'

GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-16 Thread golinux
Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3035ef569c222b0d9e8

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 16.10.2014 um 18:52 schrieb Pierre Frenkiel: > hi, > it seems that tha last version of systemd in jessie (215-5+b1) > has a big number of bugs, among which the very long time to shutdown, > mainly > for samba (5 minutes). The samba package does not properly clean up it's config files on upgrade

Re: how to shtdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:07:42 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > oops! sorry for the error in the subject: obviously, I meant > "shutdown" and not "boot" > I think better to re-submit with the correct subject > > hi, > it seems that tha last version of systemd in jessie (215-5+b1) > has a big

Re: virtual package question

2014-10-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: > - how does one explicitly install a lower-priority alternative, and You just explicitly install it. For example, if you were installing something that needed mail-transport-agent, but didn't already have something that provided it, and didn't want exim

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 14:59:12 -0400, Doug wrote: > On 10/16/2014 02:33 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 13:12:12 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > /snip/ > > > > > The technique given by Jonathan Dowland works and appears to me to > > involve a minimal amount of work for someone wanting to

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 14:08:47 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > > From: "Marty" > > > > It seems like free software employment and market share come with > > increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's my main > > concern as a Debian user, as I consider recent trends. > > > > I hope tha

Re: virtual package question

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Don Armstrong wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: As I dig more into the whole question of installing alternate init systems, I realize that I'm a bit confused about the behavior of apt- when it comes to virtual packages; and I can't find any documentation that clarifies things. Y

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach The Wanderer [2014-10-16 15:12 +0200]: > The people who voted to make systemd the default init system > presumably think that it already does meet Debian standards, at > least to within acceptable tolerances. I don't think this is the case. The CTTE's decision was IMHO based largely o

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 13:12:12 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Brian wrote: There is no preseed command which can alter this. It may be that adding --include=sysvinit-core to debootstrap will cause the other branch of that dependency to be taken. I have not tested it. If that is the case

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Doug
On 10/16/2014 02:33 PM, Brian wrote: > On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 13:12:12 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: /snip/ > > The technique given by Jonathan Dowland works and appears to me to > involve a minimal amount of work for someone wanting to end up booting a > new install with sysvinit. Depending on what is

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 13:12:12 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > > There is no preseed command which can alter this. > > It may be that adding --include=sysvinit-core to debootstrap will cause > the other branch of that dependency to be taken. I have not tested it. > If that is the ca

Re: virtual package question

2014-10-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: > As I dig more into the whole question of installing alternate init systems, > I realize that I'm a bit confused about the behavior of apt- when it comes > to virtual packages; and I can't find any documentation that clarifies > things. You're looking fo

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Joey Hess wrote: Brian wrote: I'd suggest that the principal udeb package to consider as responsible for installing the base system is bootstrap-base. It runs debootstrap. Debian Policy specifies the base packages as being of Priority: required and Priority: important. You can get lists of thes

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: "Marty" It seems like free software employment and market share come with increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's my main concern as a Debian user, as I consider recent trends. I hope that Debian members consider an amendm

Re: [lina.lastn...@gmail.com: Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 17 oct 14, 00:05:50, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Lina, could you post to the list only, please. > I haven't dived into systemd issues -- so can't help you, hoping someone > else can. > > I see you refer to a [1], but it is not there! :) ... > dove systemd[1]: /usr appears to be on its own

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-16 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Marty" > > It seems like free software employment and market share come with > increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's my main > concern as a Debian user, as I consider recent trends. > > I hope that Debian members consider an amendment to

how to shtdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
oops! sorry for the error in the subject: obviously, I meant "shutdown" and not "boot" I think better to re-submit with the correct subject hi, it seems that tha last version of systemd in jessie (215-5+b1) has a big number of bugs, among which the very long time to shutdown, mainly for samba (5

virtual package question

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Folks, As I dig more into the whole question of installing alternate init systems, I realize that I'm a bit confused about the behavior of apt- when it comes to virtual packages; and I can't find any documentation that clarifies things. Specifically, in this situation: Package: A Depends: B

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-10-16 19:12 +0200, Joey Hess wrote: > Brian wrote: >> >> The init package is Priority: required. It pre-depends on >> >>systemd-sysv | sysvinit-core | upstart >> >> The first alternative is systemd-sysv, which pre-depends on systemd. >> >> There is no preseed command which can alte

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2014, 18:52:41 schrieb Pierre Frenkiel: > hi, > it seems that tha last version of systemd in jessie (215-5+b1) > has a big number of bugs, among which the very long time to shutdown, mainly > for samba (5 minutes). Trying to kill samba manually before the shutdown > did n

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Oct16:1151-0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > It strikes me that there's actually very little that needs to be done. In > the short term, the world, including Debian, will continue to support > sysvinit scripts - if only because the BSDs aren't going anywhere, I expect > autotools will continue t

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Brian wrote: > I'd suggest that the principal udeb package to consider as responsible > for installing the base system is bootstrap-base. It runs debootstrap. > Debian Policy specifies the base packages as being of Priority: required > and Priority: important. > > You can get lists of these packag

how to boot in les than 8 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
hi, it seems that tha last version of systemd in jessie (215-5+b1) has a big number of bugs, among which the very long time to shutdown, mainly for samba (5 minutes). Trying to kill samba manually before the shutdown did not solve the problem. I then tried to downgrade to version 208-8, which is a

Re: hdmi video output

2014-10-16 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: I have now the check what happens with Windows. I did it, and had the same problem (right side darker than the left one), even after installing the Windows Nvidia driver. I then found that I could fix it with a flat screen setting.

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:28:50 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: POINT OF CLARIFICATION: Nothing written below is nosh specific. It could be used with nosh, or upstart, or sysvinit, or any other PID1 that's *only* a PID1. So how about it, who wants to join me in neutering systemd on Deb

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:28:50 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: POINT OF CLARIFICATION: Nothing written below is nosh specific. It could be used with nosh, or upstart, or sysvinit, or any other PID1 that's *only* a PID1. So how about it, who wants to join me in neutering systemd on Debian and probably eve

Re: how to identify reverse dependencies?

2014-10-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Slavko wrote: > aptitude search -w 60 -F "%c%a %p %v" '~i?depends(libsystemd0)' [...] > LANG=C dpkg -l libsystemd0 > dpkg-query: no packages found matching libsystemd0 [...] > aptitude search -w 60 -F "%c%a %p %v" 'libsystemd0' [...] > Now, please, tell to us, how can any pack

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:52:58 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * On 2014 15 Oct 19:39 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: > >> systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. > >> (Modulo the willingness of the devs over there to discuss th

Re: Cups to cups question

2014-10-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 14:55:54 +0200, L.M.J wrote: > I have a server (serverA) where I use the command "lp -h > printserver ..." to print to a printer attached on the "printserver" > : it works fine. To be clear on this, your full command is lp -h printserver -d and the IP of printserver i

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 16 Oct 07:54 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: >> Would that be debian's sysv-init? > > That link is from the sysvinit-core package's description in Sid's > Aptitude. Presumably it is the upstream project. Thank you. I was under the impress

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/16/2014 7:40 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> > On 10/15/2014 8:37 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> Tanstaafl couldn't answer it, and you can't either, because it's not >> violating any.

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 21:47:45 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: I'd suggest that the principal udeb package to consider as responsible for installing the base system is bootstrap-base. It runs debootstrap. Debian Policy specifies the base packages as being of Priority: re

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/16/2014 at 06:37 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > Please do not send to me directly, I am on the list. > > On 10/15/2014 3:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 10/15/2014 12:40 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> The status code is not *sent* anywhere - it is a response >>> directly to the connecting machine.

Re: cant create a bootable iso with the 7.6

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:45:04PM +0100, Domenico Curigliano wrote: > Hello guys, > > I experienced an issue with the 7.6 iso downloaded from debian.org. > I don't understand what could be wrong. I tried to burn the iso file > with nero on windows, k3b on linux and I also tried to create a usb >

Re: Who is systemd-gpt-auto-generator, and why does s/he not like my partition table?

2014-10-16 Thread Jape Person
On 10/15/2014 02:45 PM, Jape Person wrote: On 10/15/2014 01:38 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Sven Joachim wrote: I don't think there is actually an I/O error here, looking at the code systemd-gpt-auto-generator makes this error up: , | errno = 0; | r = blkid

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Brian
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 21:47:45 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > >I'd suggest that the principal udeb package to consider as responsible > >for installing the base system is bootstrap-base. It runs debootstrap. > >Debian Policy specifies the base packages as being of Priority: requ

Re: how to identify reverse dependencies?

2014-10-16 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:02:45 +0300 Andrei POPESCU napísal: > On Mi, 15 oct 14, 22:58:49, The Wanderer wrote: > > > > IOW, I think he wasn't talking about systemd per se, but about > > apparent false-positive results from the aptitude > > reverse-dependency search. > > In other posts to

Re: cant create a bootable iso with the 7.6

2014-10-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 13:45:04 +0100, Domenico Curigliano wrote: > I experienced an issue with the 7.6 iso downloaded from debian.org. > I don't understand what could be wrong. I tried to burn the iso file > with nero on windows, k3b on linux and I also tried to create a usb > bootable device to i

Re: Who is systemd-gpt-auto-generator, and why does s/he not like my partition table?

2014-10-16 Thread James P. Wallen
On 10/15/2014 02:45 PM, Jape Person wrote: On 10/15/2014 01:38 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Sven Joachim wrote: I don't think there is actually an I/O error here, looking at the code systemd-gpt-auto-generator makes this error up: , | errno = 0; | r = blkid

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 02:31:15PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > On 10/16/2014 14:07, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > >> No, what I find annoying is telling volunteer what they have to do > >> without doing anything yourself on the issues you raise and repeating > >> "don't b

Re: cant create a bootable iso with the 7.6

2014-10-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 16 October 2014 13:45:04 Domenico Curigliano wrote: > Hello guys, > > I experienced an issue with the 7.6 iso downloaded from debian.org. > I don't understand what could be wrong. I tried to burn the iso file > with nero on windows, k3b on linux and I also tried to create a usb > bootab

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-16 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/16/2014 at 06:17 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach David L. Craig [2014-10-14 00:16 > +0200]: > >> Jessie may need to be widely considered the Vista of Debian >> releases before a majority of DDs are willing to revisit the init >> default. > > Meanwhile, everyone who thinks this wa

Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 08:58:37PM +0800, lina wrote: > I installed the lvm and its dependencies, it shows > /local-premount/lvm: not found > > problem persists ... Well, if you're not using LVM, then yes that won't apply. It wasn't possible to tell that from your fstab. Basically, the error you

cant create a bootable iso with the 7.6

2014-10-16 Thread Domenico Curigliano
Hello guys, I experienced an issue with the 7.6 iso downloaded from debian.org. I don't understand what could be wrong. I tried to burn the iso file with nero on windows, k3b on linux and I also tried to create a usb bootable device to install debian. I tried to boot in a lenovo and a sony vaio.

Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread lina
I installed the lvm and its dependencies, it shows /local-premount/lvm: not found problem persists ... On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:25 PM, lina wrote: >> * Add "break=premount" to the end of your kernel commandline and boot > > At the grub stage, there is no reaction to the "e" or "c" I pressed. >

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 16 Oct 07:54 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: > Would that be debian's sysv-init? That link is from the sysvinit-core package's description in Sid's Aptitude. Presumably it is the upstream project. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessim

Cups to cups question

2014-10-16 Thread L.M.J
Hi, I have a server (serverA) where I use the command "lp -h printserver ..." to print to a printer attached on the "printserver" : it works fine. I also registered remote printer on "printserver" via "lpadmin -p PRVA -v ipp://remoteserver01/printers/PRVA?waitprinter=false\&waitjob=false\

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 15 Oct 19:39 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: >> systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. (Modulo >> the willingness of the devs over there to discuss them.) >> >> What I'm thinking is to talk about specific feature

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/16/2014 7:40 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> > On 10/15/2014 8:37 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> >> Tanstaafl couldn't answer it, and you can't either, because it's not >>> >> violating any. >> > >> > I did answer it, you just ignored it or don't u

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 15 Oct 19:39 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: > systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. (Modulo > the willingness of the devs over there to discuss them.) > > What I'm thinking is to talk about specific features to enable the sort of > "managing services" that systemd s

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-16 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 10/16/2014 14:07, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> No, what I find annoying is telling volunteer what they have to do >> without doing anything yourself on the issues you raise and repeating >> "don't break Linux" endlessly. I think everybody knows by now you >> believe that, t

Re: OT: Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/16/2014 7:31 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 06:50:01AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: >> Anyone who runs a mail server and doesn't monitor the postmaster address >> shouldn't be running a mail server. > Tell that to yahoo, they *don't seem* to have a postmaster address nor an

Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread lina
> * Add "break=premount" to the end of your kernel commandline and boot At the grub stage, there is no reaction to the "e" or "c" I pressed. >* If you have panic= set, remove it. For some reason, > those two options conflict and you won't get a shell, even though > you explicit

Re: OT_Enlightenment Terminology-0.7 released

2014-10-16 Thread maderios
On 10/15/2014 08:53 AM, maderios wrote: To compile Terminology, install all Enlightenment + Efl dev libs packages, of course... I apologize: only EFL dev packages needing, not Enlightenment -- Maderios -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "un

Re: OT: Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/10/14 22:31, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 06:50:01AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: >> >> Anyone who runs a mail server and doesn't keep logs shouldn't be running >> a mail server. >> >> *And* the postmaster address monitored, >> >> Anyone who runs a mail server and doesn't moni

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Guys - Please take this off-list. Things have gone way, way past the point where this is of an interest or relevance to anyone else on this list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archi

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Steve Litt writes: Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Steve Litt writes: OK, I'll be the first to admit that after Red Hat caused the demise of ConsoleKit (and probably lots more important software), I am free to take significant time out of my day job (that feeds my family) an

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:54:09 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: Hello Tanstaafl, >On 10/15/2014 5:12 PM, Brad Rogers wrote: >> Send an email with a large attachment(1) and there are quite a few >> servers that will silently drop it. >Anyone who does that is breaking SMTP. If you don't want messages over

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-16 Thread Anders Wegge Keller
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:59:24 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > My golly, you are an arrogant self-opinionated individual. As well as > misinformed and mistaken. Thank you for those kind words. However, I think you are undermining your attempt at establishing your moral superiority, by using them. --

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/15/2014 8:37 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> Tanstaafl couldn't answer it, and you can't either, because it's not >> violating any. > > I did answer it, you just ignored it or don't understand it. > > Quote: > > "You do not have to violate an

Re: OT: Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 06:50:01AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Anyone who runs a mail server and doesn't keep logs shouldn't be running > a mail server. > > *And* the postmaster address monitored, > > Anyone who runs a mail server and doesn't monitor the postmaster address > shouldn't be runnin

[lina.lastn...@gmail.com: Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
Lina, could you post to the list only, please. I haven't dived into systemd issues -- so can't help you, hoping someone else can. I see you refer to a [1], but it is not there! :) - Forwarded message from lina - Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:29:18 +0800 From: lina To: Chris Bannister Sub

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 16 October 2014 11:46:46 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:38:59 +0100 > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 16 October 2014 07:55:40 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:01:44 -0700 > > > > > > Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > > What I read of your post

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/15/2014 8:37 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > Tanstaafl couldn't answer it, and you can't either, because it's not > violating any. I did answer it, you just ignored it or don't understand it. Quote: "You do not have to violate an RFC to break SMTP." Here is a real world example: Improperly c

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/15/2014 5:12 PM, Brad Rogers wrote: > Send an email with a large attachment(1) and there are quite a few > servers that will silently drop it. Anyone who does that is breaking SMTP. If you don't want messages over a certain size, REJECT them, but absolutely do not EVER accept then silently

Re: OT: Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/15/2014 4:58 PM, Joe wrote: > It's worth some effort, at the moment it is the single most effective > anti-spam measure. If you outsource your mail, it's worth going to some > trouble to find a hosting company who will hold and accept updates for > a list of valid recipients. Or even easier

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-16 Thread Anders Wegge Keller
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:38:59 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 16 October 2014 07:55:40 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:01:44 -0700 > > > > Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > What I read of your post wasn't dissent. It was character > > > assassination. > > > > Please let me kn

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/15/2014 4:44 PM, Joe wrote: > However, if the Reply-To: is forged, i.e. if it is spam, the > alternative is considerably less OK. Bouncing a spam message simply > delivers *the* *entire* *message* to an innocent third party, having > been laundered through your (presumably legitimate and res

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 16 October 2014 07:55:40 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:01:44 -0700 > > Bob Holtzman wrote: > > What I read of your post wasn't dissent. It was character > > assassination. > > Please let me know how to point out that an idiotic behaviour is > disruptive to the wh

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Tanstaafl
Please do not send to me directly, I am on the list. On 10/15/2014 3:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 10/15/2014 12:40 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> Easy enough to prove. By all means, quote the actual text of me saying >> this was 'OK'... > You said: > > "However, once a message has been accepted -

Re: OT: Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/15/2014 3:13 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Tanstaafl wrote: >> 1. email to invalid recipients should be rejected at the RCPT-TO stage, > Easier said then done - at least when a server does relaying, but > clearly ideal when possible. No, it is 100% easily done. For servers under your contr

Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 05:54:26PM +0800, lina wrote: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742048 > > I am still not clear about how to fix it. It is exactly like the > problem mentioned in this bug. Ah, I ran into that problem myself the other day. My solution was: * Add "break=

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach David L. Craig [2014-10-14 00:16 +0200]: > Jessie may need to be widely considered the Vista of Debian > releases before a majority of DDs are willing to revisit the init > default. Meanwhile, everyone who thinks this was the wrong decision should work to ensure that sysvinit continue

Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread lina
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742048 I am still not clear about how to fix it. It is exactly like the problem mentioned in this bug. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:47 PM, lina wrote: > It doesn't mount the /usr /var /tmp > > Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x ... > Depende

Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread lina
It doesn't mount the /usr /var /tmp Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x ... Dependency failed for /var On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:29 PM, lina wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Chris Bannister > wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:00:21PM +0800, lina wrote: >>> Any suggestions ab

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:23:02 +0100 Joe wrote: Hello Joe, {snipped explanations} All very useful info, thanks; Cleared up a few things for me. >I'm not for a moment doubting that it happens as you say, but there's >no need for it in the case of a legitimate email, it is always possible I suspe

Fwd: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread lina
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:00:21PM +0800, lina wrote: >> Any suggestions about >> >> failed to start remount root and kernel file system >> >> Is it due to updating issue? some package like systemd, or util-linux? >> >> Jessie box. > > Dunn

Re: how to identify reverse dependencies?

2014-10-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 15 oct 14, 22:58:49, The Wanderer wrote: > > IOW, I think he wasn't talking about systemd per se, but about apparent > false-positive results from the aptitude reverse-dependency search. In other posts to this Slavko alluded to recompiling packages to get rid of systemd dependencies. Kin

recent, stable (debian-based) desktop solution without blobs?

2014-10-16 Thread Wim Bertels
Hallo, which distro would u recommend given the following wishes: - debian/debian based - stable - recent (ie debian stable being to old for the desktop in my opinion) - no blobs (ie closed firmware for example) in the kernel or default installation - having the option to choose non free softwar

Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:00:21PM +0800, lina wrote: > Any suggestions about > > failed to start remount root and kernel file system > > Is it due to updating issue? some package like systemd, or util-linux? > > Jessie box. Dunno. Is it an fstab issue? I'm only guessing here because you haven'

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 16 oct 14, 07:31:56, Joel Rees wrote: > 2014/10/16 5:59 "Andrei POPESCU" : > > > > The problem with this approach is that it's not fine-grained enough, > > i.e. it can't distinguish between users logged in locally or via ssh. > > This means Mallory could easily spy on Alice remotely, just by

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:33:38 +0100 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:12:51AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > OK, I'll be the first to admit that after Red Hat caused the demise > > of ConsoleKit (and probably lots more important software), I am > > free to take significant time ou

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Joe
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:12:41 +0100 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:44:30 +0100 > Joe wrote: > > Hello Joe, > > >It is *not* OK to silently delete an already accepted email, it does > > Unfortunately, it happens; Send an email with a large attachment(1) > and there are quite a few

Re: hdmi video output

2014-10-16 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, Darac Marjal wrote: The easiest option is probably to boot with only the HDMI connected. As I already said, that works, but there are 2 problems: 1/ In graphic mode, the right part of the screen (about one half) is much darker than the left one The problem i

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-16 Thread Joe
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:54:02 +0100 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > wande...@fastmail.fm: > > I have a similar lack of awareness and/or understanding about all > > of > > the *kit packages / projects / tools / what-have-you, actually; I'm > > not positive I even know how many there are, much

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-16 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Steve Litt writes: > Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> Steve Litt writes: >> > OK, I'll be the first to admit that after Red Hat caused the demise >> > of ConsoleKit (and probably lots more important software), I am >> > free to take significant time out of my day job (that feeds my >> > family) and re