Re: /dev/random5

2014-08-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 4/08/2014 5:43 AM, David Christensen wrote: > On 08/03/2014 10:45 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> On 3/08/2014 10:48 PM, B wrote: >>> On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 18:20:19 +1000 >>> I do not agree with that because using only zeros makes >>> the result part predictable for the attacker: >> Yes, but th

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Bret Busby
On 04/08/2014, Joel Rees wrote: > On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Bret Busby wrote: >> On 03/08/2014, Joel Rees wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Bret Busby wrote: On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote: >> >> >> >>> And the reas

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/03/2014 10:27 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > The Wanderer wrote: > >> Bob Proulx wrote: >>> I must have a higher resolution monitor than you. (shrug) I have >>> 44 lines of console boot messages. The monitor is an older >>> 1280x1024 monitor. Th

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Bob Proulx
The Wanderer wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > I must have a higher resolution monitor than you. (shrug) I have 44 > > lines of console boot messages. The monitor is an older 1280x1024 > > monitor. The default console size is 48 lines and annoyingly doesn't > > use the bottom third of the screen.

Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/4/14, Michael Kjörling wrote: > In > on 3 Aug 2014 08:21 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > >> (I don't use skype, in spite of my sister's hints, because, as much as >> possible, I don't want anything Microsoft touches on my stuff. When >> wheezy goes unsupported and the only upgrade path contains sy

Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/4/14, Joel Rees wrote: > Heh. Sorry for letting that snark leak through. No probs Joel, no problems at all :) > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Michael Kjörling > wrote: .. >> If I just searched for the wrong search terms, a few pointers to some >> (reasonably authoritative) web pages wo

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread mett
On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 03:05:28 -0400 Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bret Busby > wrote: > > > > I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently > > cancelled Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x. > > > > With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Bret Busby wrote: > On 03/08/2014, Joel Rees wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Bret Busby wrote: >>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan >>> wrote: On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote: > > > >> And the reason I decided to respond was to ask your reason fo

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Bob Proulx
Hi Tom, Tom H wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > kill -1 1 # Tell init to re-read the inittab file. > > You can use "telinit q" instead of "kill -1 1". It is the same thing. Six of one or a half dozen of the other. Use whichever one you prefer. I prefer sending SIGHUP. Among other thing

Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:02 AM, AW wrote: > On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 13:31:24 -0700 > "" wrote: > > >It doesn't work with BSD or Hurd, > > This is my main gripe. HURD is a great project. The microkernel is a > truly great architecture... extensibility built right into the most > basic user visible O

Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread Joel Rees
Heh. Sorry for letting that snark leak through. On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Michael Kjörling wrote: > In > on 3 Aug 2014 08:21 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > >> (I don't use skype, in spite of my sister's hints, because, as much as >> possible, I don't want anything Microsoft touches on my stuff.

Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive

2014-08-03 Thread Martin G. McCormick
I knew there would be several suggestions for solutions to making a new boot disk and I appreciate all of them. I also appreciate the explanation as to why my previous attempts at creating a bootable copy failed. It all makes perfect sense now. I will probably try mkfs first. I have used mk

Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 15:59:06 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Systemd is seem by some as Microsoft-like in concept and > philosophy. You mean taking something to works relatively well and changing it to a gas plant difficult to troubleshoot? -- To err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/03/2014 04:50 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > The Wanderer wrote: > >> Bob Proulx wrote: >>> Note that Squeeze 6 /sbin/getting does not support --noclear so >>> don't set this on Squeeze systems. But for Wheezy 7 and later >>> this snippet will mak

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > > if [ -f /etc/inittab ]; then > if grep -q '^1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty' /etc/inittab; then > log "Fixing getty --noclear in /etc/inittab" > sed --in-place '/^1/s/getty 38400/getty --noclear 38400/' /etc/initt

Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread AW
On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 13:31:24 -0700 "" wrote: >It doesn't work with BSD or Hurd, This is my main gripe. HURD is a great project. The microkernel is a truly great architecture... extensibility built right into the most basic user visible OS component. I sometimes wish Linus didn't create Linux..

Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread John Hasler
pecondon writes: > OK maybe there is a connection: They both are really scary to some > people on this list. Systemd is seem by some as Microsoft-like in concept and philosophy. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Bob Proulx
The Wanderer wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > The Wanderer wrote: > >> Where do you set this, exactly? /etc/inittab ? > > > > Note that Squeeze 6 /sbin/getting does not support --noclear so don't > > set this on Squeeze systems. But for Wheezy 7 and later this > > snippet will make automate the cha

Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread
I doubt very much that there can be any connection at all. Systemd is specific to the Linux kernel. It doesn't work with BSD or Hurd, although it someday if cgroups were added to their kernels. But cgroups are not in Microsoft kernel and I doubt they will ever be added. But opinions differ on wha

Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/03/2014 02:56 PM, Michael Kjörling wrote: > In > > on 3 Aug 2014 08:21 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > >> (I don't use skype, in spite of my sister's hints, because, as much >> as possible, I don't want anything Microsoft touches on my stuff. >> W

Re: since demise of encfs what to use for encrypting dir

2014-08-03 Thread Harry Putnam
Mike Kupfer writes: > Harry Putnam wrote: > >> I guess encfs and its companion on windows of truecrypt have been >> declared serious security hazards... encfs is not even available .. at >> least in jessie repos. >> >> What are people using as a replacement? Hopefully something as easy >> to us

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/03/2014 02:12 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > The Wanderer wrote: > >> Brian wrote: >>> Upstream for agetty responded to concerns about security from >>> users, some of whom apparently had the compliance police >>> breathing down their necks. My vie

Re: /dev/random5

2014-08-03 Thread David Christensen
On 08/03/2014 10:45 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 3/08/2014 10:48 PM, B wrote: On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 18:20:19 +1000 I do not agree with that because using only zeros makes the result part predictable for the attacker: Yes, but the method of encryption used (aes-xts-plain64) does NOT lend its

Re: Is crypto developed the way it should?

2014-08-03 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 3 Aug 2014 17:16 +0200, from lazyvi...@gmx.com (B): > * Is C a good candidate to write crypto? >NOT AT ALL, a _very strict_ language should be used instead, >such as ADA (think contracts, and do not think it is slow). >Programs have bugs, we all know that, but crypto bugs are >

Re: /dev/random5

2014-08-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 4/08/2014 4:19 AM, B wrote: > On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 03:45:48 +1000 > Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >> Yes, but the method of encryption used (aes-xts-plain64) does NOT >> lend itself to this kind of analysis. > > Not that we know of… Yes. > XTS doesn't seem to be a right choice: > http://sock

Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 03.08.2014 20:56, schrieb Michael Kjörling: > I looked, but couldn't find much. Since I'm not familiar with systemd, > could someone please elaborate on what this alleged connection between > systemd and Microsoft is? There is none. That is all pure non-sense and wild conspiracy theories. --

Re: Threading using digest and kmail (was Re: Exim4 not routing local mail ... )

2014-08-03 Thread Bob Proulx
Bob Proulx wrote: > I used a variety of mailers back then and I don't recall which ones > handled digests nicely and which did not. I just tested mutt and digests and mutt handles message digests quite well. And furthermore because the Debian lists includes the individual messages as MIME attemen

What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?

2014-08-03 Thread Michael Kjörling
In on 3 Aug 2014 08:21 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > (I don't use skype, in spite of my sister's hints, because, as much as > possible, I don't want anything Microsoft touches on my stuff. When > wheezy goes unsupported and the only upgrade path contains systemd, > I'll have a hard choice to make. Ho

[SOLVED, but...] mounting a Nikon camera

2014-08-03 Thread jeremy bentham
Thanks for the replies. I can now peruse my photos with digikam, but I am not sure what it cost me; I suspect I'll find out when next I reboot. Installing digikam resulted, apparently, in pulling in half of kde--cruft to me--*and* a new initrd! I think I've had it with apt; dpkg from now on, reg

Re: Threading using digest and kmail (was Re: Exim4 not routing local mail ... )

2014-08-03 Thread Bob Proulx
David Baron wrote: > > Replying from the digest breaks threads. I eschew KDE 4, so I don't know > > about KMail in KDE4, but KDE3 KMail does not break threads. > > I do not understand the difference. If I hit reply, so I get the > title of the digest which I replace with the desired re: Sho

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 03/08/2014 20:32, Lisi Reisz a écrit : On Sunday 03 August 2014 17:10:33 Pascal Hambourg wrote: Don't confuse installing a new kernel (3.2 and 3.12 are different kernels, different packages names) and upgrading an installed kernel with a new release (same version, same package name, differen

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-03 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 19:32:09 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: Hello Lisi, >I have the impression, however, that when other packages are >"upgraded" (moved on to a higher version) the previous package *is* >removed. For the most part, that's true. With kernels though, removing a previous one is considere

Re: Threading using digest and kmail (was Re: Exim4 not routing local mail ... )

2014-08-03 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 12:38:16 -0400 AW wrote: Hello AW, >lists. So, I don't know what I'm doing with regards to top/bottom >postings, quoting, etc... There are many good reasons why a particular Based on that and what you go on to say, it's obvious you're willing to learn about what is or isn'

Re: Is crypto developed the way it should? - [WAS: since demise of encfs what to use for encrypting dir]

2014-08-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 04:08:15 +1000 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > All good points, trouble I see is that even /good/ teams can become > violated by someone ... NSA working with NIST is one example; This is why an international team is important, with redundant checks and controls. > I'm > not going

Re: Exim4 not routing local mail, even after exim4-config (was New 64bit installation: Exim4 Send to Root)

2014-08-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 03 August 2014 15:48:54 Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:41:06 +0100 > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Tuesday 29 July 2014 20:09:41 Brian wrote: > > > When you reply threading is broken. Surely you can see that. Could > > > be kmail of course. > > > > Replying from the digest break

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 03 August 2014 17:10:33 Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 03/08/2014 11:58, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > And on my Debian Wheezy system. I have four kernels, including three > > from Backports: 3.2, 3.12, 3.13, 3.14. I have removed 3.10 and 3.11. I > > originally installed 3.10 from Backports. >

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Bob Proulx
The Wanderer wrote: > Brian wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > >> Just for the record I complain about that behavior. I don't like > >> the fancy tty colors and always disable them. I don't like the > >> screen clearing those away and so I always set the getty --noclear > >> option. The problem is th

Re: Strange issue with `find' command

2014-08-03 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Dom writes: > On 02/08/14 09:20, Tixy wrote: >> On Sat, 2014-08-02 at 08:56 +0100, Dom wrote: >> [...] >>> >>> find . -name *.pdf >>> >>> will expand out to >>> >>> find . -name test1.pdf test2.pdf >>> >>> and there you get your error. But >>> >>> find . -name "test1.pdf" >>> >>> will

Re: /dev/random5

2014-08-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 03:45:48 +1000 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Yes, but the method of encryption used (aes-xts-plain64) does NOT > lend itself to this kind of analysis. Not that we know of… XTS doesn't seem to be a right choice: http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2014/04/30/you-dont-want-xts/ > btw aes-

Re: Is crypto developed the way it should? - [WAS: since demise of encfs what to use for encrypting dir]

2014-08-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 4/08/2014 1:16 AM, B wrote: > The question raise the underlying problems: > * Should we pay for good crypto (and very good cryptanalysis)? > I think YES (stop yelling, think crowfunding;), because > good crypto skills are rare and thus expensive; > furthermore, we need stable

Re: /dev/random5

2014-08-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 3/08/2014 10:48 PM, B wrote: > On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 18:20:19 +1000 > I do not agree with that because using only zeros makes > the result part predictable for the attacker: if he knows > what you wrote, he has a (very) large part of the > cryptanalysis done… > This is 1.0.1 of cryptanalysis:

Re: aptitude / apt-get status output

2014-08-03 Thread John Bleichert
On 08/03/2014 12:44 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-08-03 18:04 +0200, John Bleichert wrote: root@boogie:~# aptitude upgrade <...> Current status: 9 updates [-24]. 24 packages have been upgraded, presumably the same 24 that became upgradable by "aptitude update", and 9 packages have been h

Re: aptitude / apt-get status output

2014-08-03 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-08-03 18:04 +0200, John Bleichert wrote: > After running update/upgrade, I always get the usual status messages: > > root@boogie:~# aptitude update > <...> > Current status: 33 updates [+24], 25530 new [+24]. It means there are 33 upgradable packages, 24 more than before you ran "aptitude

Re: Threading using digest and kmail (was Re: Exim4 not routing local mail ... )

2014-08-03 Thread AW
On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 16:41:17 +0100 Brad Rogers wrote: >Quite an achievement, given that >99.% of MUAs quote correctly "out of the box". I'm fairly old to Debian. I run a few email servers. I know the ins and outs of lots of things. And yet, I've rarely posted to mailing lists. So, I don

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 03/08/2014 11:58, Lisi Reisz a écrit : And on my Debian Wheezy system. I have four kernels, including three from Backports: 3.2, 3.12, 3.13, 3.14. I have removed 3.10 and 3.11. I originally installed 3.10 from Backports. Upgrading never seems to remove a kernel and never has. Don't conf

Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive

2014-08-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 03/08/2014 14:45, Martin G. McCormick a écrit : I am replacing a nearly 20-year-old 10 GB conventional hard drive with a slightly-larger flash drive for / on a Debian-squeeze system; / on flash as it were. I know this can work as I have an older version of debian on another box that ha

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-03 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 10:58:10AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 03 August 2014 01:38:56 Chris Bannister wrote: > > Weird. So on these systems there are old packages which haven't been > > removed by the package manager? > > And on my Debian Wheezy system. I have four kernels, including th

aptitude / apt-get status output

2014-08-03 Thread John Bleichert
After running update/upgrade, I always get the usual status messages: root@boogie:~# aptitude update <...> Current status: 33 updates [+24], 25530 new [+24]. root@boogie:~# aptitude upgrade <...> Current status: 9 updates [-24]. root@boogie:~# Is the meaning of this status line documented anywhe

Re: Theme control in Xfce4 [SOLVED]

2014-08-03 Thread Paul E Condon
Cleaning up some old business, long after the dust has settled. Steve's suggestion eliminated my need to install the old Crux, but only after I corrected his instructions. See below. (I want the correction in the list archive, so that I can find it when I forget.) Thanks, Steve. pec On 20140726_0

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 05:30:47 +1000 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the > > service) whether it be open or closed source, > > What about Google Han

Re: Threading using digest and kmail (was Re: Exim4 not routing local mail ... )

2014-08-03 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 10:55:00 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: Hello Steve, >Yes, but *not* changing the Subject is an atrocity. I've often thought >of piping everything with digest type Subjects to /dev/null. Another >atrocity is these guys who leave the entire digest intact when replying. I tend to agre

Re: /dev/random

2014-08-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:15:22 -0700 Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 04:34:50PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 01 August 2014 00:41:01 pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: > > > Thanks for reading > > > > I found it unreadable. Please let some air in!! > > Thank God. I thought I

Re: /dev/random

2014-08-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:49:02 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 01 August 2014 17:02:45 B wrote: > > But you didn't say it in your rant… > > I didn't rant. > > Lisi It's twu, it's twu! Lisi wrote two short sentences that took up less than one line. No rant. Her point was very succinct, com

Re: /dev/random

2014-08-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:48:33 +0200 B wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:34:50 +0100 > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 01 August 2014 00:41:01 pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: > > > Thanks for reading > > > > I found it unreadable. Please let some air in!! > > This is a common deformation in

Is crypto developed the way it should? - [WAS: since demise of encfs what to use for encrypting dir]

2014-08-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 10:43:18 -0400 Harry Putnam wrote: > Gack,,, I duplicated your posted URL before seeing your post You will rot in a windows-only hell for that! (without a debugger) *<;-p) The question raise the underlying problems: * Is crypto a specialist affair? YES it is, indeed. *

Re: /dev/random

2014-08-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:34:50 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 01 August 2014 00:41:01 pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: > > Thanks for reading > > I found it unreadable. Please let some air in!! > > Lisi LOL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Threading using digest and kmail (was Re: Exim4 not routing local mail ... )

2014-08-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:42:53 +0100 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:14:20 +0300 > David Baron wrote: > > Hello David, > > >Or is there some header or marker I should be hitting as well? > > Reference and/or Reply-To headers. The digest, depending on /exactly/ > how it as construct

Re: Exim4 not routing local mail, even after exim4-config (was New 64bit installation: Exim4 Send to Root)

2014-08-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:41:06 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2014 20:09:41 Brian wrote: > > When you reply threading is broken. Surely you can see that. Could > > be kmail of course. > > Replying from the digest breaks threads. I eschew KDE 4, so I don't > know about KMail in KDE4,

Re: since demise of encfs what to use for encrypting dir

2014-08-03 Thread Harry Putnam
B writes: > On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:10:10 -0600 > Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > > Do you have more information on encfs being declared a security >> hazard? Your post is the first I've heard of it. > > http://defuse.ca/audits/encfs.htm > (You'll note that dangerous attack vectors are quite low). Ga

Re: since demise of encfs what to use for encrypting dir

2014-08-03 Thread Harry Putnam
Joe Pfeiffer writes: >> Harry Putnam wrote: >> >>> I guess encfs and its companion on windows of truecrypt have been >>> declared serious security hazards... encfs is not even available .. at >>> least in jessie repos. >>> >>> What are people using as a replacement? Hopefully something as easy

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Brian
On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 12:39:50 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 8/3/14, Brian wrote: > > > > Upstream for agetty responded to concerns about security from users, > > some of whom apparently had the compliance police breathing down their > > necks. My view on such idiocy is probably not for this

Re: systemd and resume (after sleep)

2014-08-03 Thread Brian
On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 19:02:36 +0200, Slavko wrote: > OK, i did small progress :-) > > The issue is (seems) not related to systemd, it is caused by switching What did you do that led you to that conclusion? I think echo mem > /sys/power/state is an init system independent way of suspending

Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive

2014-08-03 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 08/03/2014 03:45 PM, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > I thought I had a pretty good idea how to do this but I > obviously am missing something. > I am replacing a nearly 20-year-old 10 GB conventional > hard drive with a slightly-larger flash drive for / on a > Debian-squeeze system; / o

Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive

2014-08-03 Thread AW
"Martin G. McCormick" writes: Copy MBR only of a hard drive: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=446 count=1 The last 64 bits of the 512 mbr contain partition information and this is where I may be all wet. I thought the disk-copy process took care of that but if not, this is why

The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive

2014-08-03 Thread Martin G. McCormick
I thought I had a pretty good idea how to do this but I obviously am missing something. I am replacing a nearly 20-year-old 10 GB conventional hard drive with a slightly-larger flash drive for / on a Debian-squeeze system; / on flash as it were. I know this can work as I have an old

Re: /dev/random5

2014-08-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 18:20:19 +1000 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > After you have formatted your volume, but before you start using > it, you use dd to write /dev/zero to the entire volume -- due to > the encryption process, those zeros will be just random data based > on the key, it should be quicker

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Mark Carroll
Bret Busby writes: > On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan > wrote: >> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote: >>> On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >>> There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the service) >>> whether it be open or closed source, >> >> What about Goo

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Microsoft and Google are great big US companies ... that's a problem > just to start with; the US Government or any of their agents can easily > destroy all your privacy any time they like. Are you assuming US companies only gangrape your

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Bret Busby wrote: > On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan > wrote: >> On 3/08/2014 6:46 PM, Bret Busby wrote: >>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan >>> wrote: On 3/08/2014 9:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan >> > >> >>> And, in terms of party polit

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 3/08/2014 6:46 PM, Bret Busby wrote: >> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan >> wrote: >>> On 3/08/2014 9:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan > >> I do not have a smart phone - I have an "Oldies Phone" - an unblocked >> Telstra

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 03 August 2014 01:38:56 Chris Bannister wrote: > Weird. So on these systems there are old packages which haven't been > removed by the package manager? And on my Debian Wheezy system. I have four kernels, including three from Backports: 3.2, 3.12, 3.13, 3.14. I have removed 3.10 and 3

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 3/08/2014 6:46 PM, Bret Busby wrote: > On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan > wrote: >> On 3/08/2014 9:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan > I do not have a smart phone - I have an "Oldies Phone" - an unblocked > Telstra EasyCall, with decent sized buttons, made in Taiwan,

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Bret Busby wrote: > On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan > wrote: >> In terms of hardware, I don't want any fingerprint readers, nor do I >> want any other unwanted spying /tools/ to be available to the spooks. >> Anything with Intel inside is also suspect for similar reasons to the

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 3/08/2014 9:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan >>> wrote: > If you have a smart phone, chances are it is Android (Google owned IP > and control) or iOS (Apple owned IP and control). Even if you have a > Linux based phone (oth

Re: /dev/random5

2014-08-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 3/08/2014 12:31 PM, David Christensen wrote: > On 08/02/2014 12:16 PM, Joel Rees wrote: >> As I understand it, he's asking whether any of us on the users list has >> anaylyzed the output of both /dev/random and /dev/urandom . Not just >> whether any of us are having issues with blocking, but wi

Re: /usr on own filesystem, not already mounted -- yeech!

2014-08-03 Thread David Baron
On Sunday 03 August 2014 08:46:59 Joe wrote: > On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:59:17 +0300 > > David Baron wrote: > > Started to get this message several times in bootup or maybe was > > simply not quick enough to catch it before. Everything seems to play. > > > > The Debian installer itself will place /

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-08-03 09:16 +0200, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, The Wanderer wrote: >> On 08/02/2014 03:15 PM, Brian wrote: >>> On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 12:24:46 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Brian wrote: > > With sysvinit the default at booting is for the screen messages > to

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-03 Thread Jaikumar Sharma
>I've noticed that when I upgrade a kernel image, the prior one appears >to be removed. So, at any time there is only one kernel image in /boot. As stated by others; certainly old kernel is not removed after upgrade, you might be doing something tricky.. On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Kenneth

Re: /usr on own filesystem, not already mounted -- yeech!

2014-08-03 Thread Joe
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:59:17 +0300 David Baron wrote: > Started to get this message several times in bootup or maybe was > simply not quick enough to catch it before. Everything seems to play. > > The Debian installer itself will place /usr on it own > partition/filesystem. So what gives? > > I

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 3/08/2014 9:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan >> wrote: >>> What about Google Hangouts? That might be a reasonable substitute >>> >> Google? That is even more sinister than the NSA, isn't it? The NSA >> doesn't drive around suburbia, filming everyone in their yard

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > [snip] > > Is there a reason debian-user is subscribed to this bug report? Please don't top-post. Probably because it's a debian-user@ thread that resulted in the the bug report and we were added to the cc as a (thoughtful) courtesy. -

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 08/02/2014 03:15 PM, Brian wrote: >> On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 12:24:46 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: >>> Brian wrote: With sysvinit the default at booting is for the screen messages to fly past at a bewildering speed and then for the

Re: /usr on own filesystem, not already mounted -- yeech!

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:59 AM, David Baron wrote: > > Started to get this message several times in bootup or maybe was simply not > quick enough to catch it before. Everything seems to play. > > The Debian installer itself will place /usr on it own partition/filesystem. So > what gives? > > Is it

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Tom H wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees wrote: >>> In this case, yeah, experimental is experimental, but there are >>> limits. And that was not the way to have done it. >> >> I'm not sure what

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > There must be an alternative to Skype. > > http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fed-up-with-skype-here-are-6-of-the-best-free-alternatives/ In theory but not in practice - unless you want to use one of the above and talk to yourself. -- To UN

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bret Busby wrote: > > I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled > Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x. > > With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype 2.2 (beta) > running on Debian 6, I went to the Skype web site

/usr on own filesystem, not already mounted -- yeech!

2014-08-03 Thread David Baron
Started to get this message several times in bootup or maybe was simply not quick enough to catch it before. Everything seems to play. The Debian installer itself will place /usr on it own partition/filesystem. So what gives? Is it now required that /usr be on on part of the root filesystem? If