Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/3/14, Brian wrote: > On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 12:24:46 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: >> Brian wrote: >> > With sysvinit the default at booting is for the screen messages to fly >> > past at a bewildering speed and then for the screen to be cleared by >> > agetty. Nobody particularily complains about

Re: /dev/random5

2014-08-02 Thread David Christensen
On 08/02/2014 12:16 PM, Joel Rees wrote: As I understand it, he's asking whether any of us on the users list has anaylyzed the output of both /dev/random and /dev/urandom . Not just whether any of us are having issues with blocking, but with the randomness as well. Another metric is throughput

Re: since demise of encfs what to use for encrypting dir

2014-08-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:10:10 -0600 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Do you have more information on encfs being declared a security > hazard? Your post is the first I've heard of it. http://defuse.ca/audits/encfs.htm (You'll note that dangerous attack vectors are quite low). -- Nico : my little brother wa

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Paul Ausbeck
What is the difference between Microsoft insisting that Bret upgrade from Debian 6 to 7 and other Debian users insisting that Bret upgrade from Debian 6 to 7. Don't Debians know why they don't like Microsoft? !systemd, !systemd, !systemd On 8/2/2014 4:55 PM, Bret Busby wrote: On 03/08/2014, J

Re: /dev/random5

2014-08-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/3/14, Joel Rees wrote: > And it occurs to me in the morning that I forgot to explain Paul's > question. > > As I understand it, he's asking whether any of us on the users list has > anaylyzed the output of both /dev/random and /dev/urandom . Not just > whether any of us are having issues wi

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-02 Thread Chris Bannister
Is there a reason debian-user is subscribed to this bug report? On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 10:42:38AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonathan de Boyne Pollard > writes: [snip] -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people w

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-02 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/02/2014 03:15 PM, Brian wrote: > On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 12:24:46 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > >> Brian wrote: > >>> With sysvinit the default at booting is for the screen messages >>> to fly past at a bewildering speed and then for the screen t

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 06:42:38AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan > wrote: > > On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote: > >> On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > >> There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the service) > >> whether it be

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 12:11:43PM -0400, Kenneth Jacker wrote: > [ Wheezy; 3.2.0-4-amd64 ] > > I've noticed that when I upgrade a kernel image, the prior one appears > to be removed. So, at any time there is only one kernel image in /boot. Updates are different to a new package install. On a n

Re: since demise of encfs what to use for encrypting dir

2014-08-02 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
> Harry Putnam wrote: > >> I guess encfs and its companion on windows of truecrypt have been >> declared serious security hazards... encfs is not even available .. at >> least in jessie repos. >> >> What are people using as a replacement? Hopefully something as easy >> to use and encfs was. Do y

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-02 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/02/2014 12:11 PM, Kenneth Jacker wrote: > [ Wheezy; 3.2.0-4-amd64 ] > > I've noticed that when I upgrade a kernel image, the prior one > appears to be removed. So, at any time there is only one kernel > image in /boot. That doesn't happen

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread AW
Unfortunately, software has bugs. Some of these bugs are probably very bad. I don't work for Microsoft, and I don't use Skype. In fact, I haven't used a Microsoft product in many years --- and I would refuse to use one now mostly on principle However, I wouldn't be too surprised that there's

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Bret Busby wrote: > On 03/08/2014, AW wrote: >> > > > >> So, for many users a Skype client is necessary... unless Microsoft >> decided to work on making Skype fully interoperable with other SIP >> servers. Although, I somehow doubt this would ever happen. >> >> But... To the OP..

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, AW wrote: > > So, for many users a Skype client is necessary... unless Microsoft > decided to work on making Skype fully interoperable with other SIP > servers. Although, I somehow doubt this would ever happen. > > But... To the OP... Debian 6 is no longer a supported version. >

Re: since demise of encfs what to use for encrypting dir

2014-08-02 Thread Mike Kupfer
Harry Putnam wrote: > I guess encfs and its companion on windows of truecrypt have been > declared serious security hazards... encfs is not even available .. at > least in jessie repos. > > What are people using as a replacement? Hopefully something as easy > to use and encfs was. I've been usi

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Joel Rees wrote: > On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Bret Busby wrote: >> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan >> wrote: >>> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote: > And the reason I decided to respond was to ask your reason for not > wanting to use wheezy. Or, rather, if your reason is m

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread AW
I've tried linphone once or twice. The basic issue with SIP phones is that it's not really possible to jump networks. It's kind of like a cellphone network where you can only dial other subscribers of the same network. http://en.flossmanuals.net/linphone/ So, for many users a Skype client is ne

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Any experiences with linphone, an open source, multi-platform alternative? > -- > Regards, > jvp. > > Hello. Yes - I tried that, to connect with another person using Linux, and it did not work. Queries were posted to the Linphone list, in February last

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Bret Busby wrote: > On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan > wrote: >> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote: >>> On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >>> There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the service) >>> whether it be open or close

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Any experiences with linphone, an open source, multi-platform alternative? -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lrjr2q$d46$1...@ger.gman

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Brian wrote: > On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled >> Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x. > > How did you find out? (Please excuse the verbose and convoluted mat

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote: >> On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >> There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the service) >> whether it be open or closed source, > > What about Google Hangouts? That might be a r

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Stephen Maxwell wrote: > > Hello, > > There was an email sent out by Skype within the last couple of weeks which > stated that I was using an old version of skype that would cease to function > if I > did not update (deleted the email). > I did not receive that email message. Belo

since demise of encfs what to use for encrypting dir

2014-08-02 Thread Harry Putnam
I guess encfs and its companion on windows of truecrypt have been declared serious security hazards... encfs is not even available .. at least in jessie repos. What are people using as a replacement? Hopefully something as easy to use and encfs was. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > > Services being subject to a package update can be down for extended > > amounts of time (think package update that requires manual intervention, > > or even a full manual reconfiguration, etc), or may actually invol

Re: capitalone banking website compatibility with iceweasel

2014-08-02 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Bret Busby wrote: > On 28/07/2014, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > > > As a temporary work around, I am using chromium which works fine. > > > > Have you tried using Opera (http://www.opera.com/) as a web browser > for online banking? > > It could be worth trying

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-02 Thread Brian
On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 12:24:46 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Brian wrote: > > With sysvinit the default at booting is for the screen messages to fly > > past at a bewildering speed and then for the screen to be cleared by > > agetty. Nobody particularily complains about this behaviour. Unless > > you

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote: > On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the service) > whether it be open or closed source, What about Google Hangouts? That might be a reasonable substitute I haven't used Skype

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > Services being subject to a package update can be down for extended > amounts of time (think package update that requires manual intervention, > or even a full manual reconfiguration, etc), or may actually involve an > ABI break. In both cases, you want that

Re: /dev/random5

2014-08-02 Thread Joel Rees
2014/08/02 11:01 "Joel Rees" : > > (For Lisi and Bob and others ;-/) > > [...] > Now, the random typing is not necessary. And it occurs to me in the morning that I forgot to explain Paul's question. As I understand it, he's asking whether any of us on the users list has anaylyzed the output of bo

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonathan de Boyne Pollard > writes: > > And bugs #734766 and #734848 tell one the answer, which is that in order > > to preserve its existing conceptual model that there is just the one > > thing (named simply "acpid") invoke-rc.d should pull out the "soc

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Stephen Maxwell
Hello, There was an email sent out by Skype within the last couple of weeks which stated that I was using an old version of skype that would cease to function if I did not update (deleted the email). The below post on the Skype blog states "So everyone can benefit from the latest improvemen

Re: Network routing on multi-homed system

2014-08-02 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Hello, Isaac Freeman a écrit : > > iface eth1 inet static > address 172.1.1.40 > netmask 255.255.255.224 > > # routing > post-up ip route add 172.1.1.62/32 dev eth1 src 172.1.1.40 table > external > post-up ip route add default via 172.1.1.62 table external >

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian wrote: > With sysvinit the default at booting is for the screen messages to fly > past at a bewildering speed and then for the screen to be cleared by > agetty. Nobody particularily complains about this behaviour. Unless > you have an excellent visual memory you are in the dark as regards wha

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Brian
On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled > Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x. How did you find out? > With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype 2.2 (beta) > running on

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Bret Busby wrote: > Insofar as I am aware, no open source equivalent, that works, is > available for Debian 6. Of skype?! Don't think so, no. I guess you can always chroot it. Or try ubuntu packages. I doubt M$ will put any efforts in releasing non-Windows versions

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On 08/02/2014 02:29 PM, Bret Busby wrote: > I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled > Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x. > > With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype 2.2 (beta) > running on Debian 6, I went to the Skype web site, and found

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard writes: > And bugs #734766 and #734848 tell one the answer, which is that in order > to preserve its existing conceptual model that there is just the one > thing (named simply "acpid") invoke-rc.d should pull out the "socket" > from the "service" by looking for a "Trigge

Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-02 Thread Bret Busby
Hello. I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x. With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype 2.2 (beta) running on Debian 6, I went to the Skype web site, and found that they have cancelled access for all bu

Re: systemd and resume (after sleep)

2014-08-02 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:21:48 +0200 Slavko napísal: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:43:27 +0100 Brian > napísal: > > > On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 10:49:32 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > This is on a minimal Jessie with systemd-sys installed and nouveau. > > You were right about systemd not u

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-02 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 02 Aug 2014 12:11:43 -0400 Kenneth Jacker napísal: > [ Wheezy; 3.2.0-4-amd64 ] > > I've noticed that when I upgrade a kernel image, the prior one appears > to be removed. So, at any time there is only one kernel image > in /boot. > > Just in case (unlikely I know) a new kernel

Re: Wheezy: pressing power button initiates a suspend in parallel with system halt

2014-08-02 Thread Marcin Owsiany
2014-07-28 16:58 GMT+02:00 Marcin Owsiany : > I'm running stable on an amd64 PC since wheezy release. Until recently, I > was able to nicely suspend and resume the system by pressing the hardware > "power" button on the chassis. > > > After a recent update (not sure which packages are involved, as

Re: systemd and resume (after sleep)

2014-08-02 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:43:27 +0100 Brian napísal: > On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 10:49:32 +0100, Brian wrote: > > This is on a minimal Jessie with systemd-sys installed and nouveau. > You were right about systemd not using pm-utils, but it does give a > second testing route. > > root@debian:~

Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-02 Thread Kenneth Jacker
[ Wheezy; 3.2.0-4-amd64 ] I've noticed that when I upgrade a kernel image, the prior one appears to be removed. So, at any time there is only one kernel image in /boot. Just in case (unlikely I know) a new kernel has "problems", I'd like to retain, say, the last three prior images in /boot. Ot

Re: systemd and resume (after sleep)

2014-08-02 Thread Brian
On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 11:01:11 +0200, Slavko wrote: > > Looking in the BTS at the nvidia driver bug reports is also a good > > start. > > You are right, of course, but i see nothing relevant, only one old bug > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673689 which seems to > be pm-utils

Re: NetworkManager broken after upgrading

2014-08-02 Thread Ahmed Ossama
The problem was that libnm-{util2,glib4,glib_vpn1} where upgraded to versions 0.9.10, while other network-manager packages with still at 0.9.8. Downgrading these 3 packages solved the issue. On 08/02/2014 02:07 AM, Ahmed Ossama wrote: Greetings All, This is a desperate request for aiding me i

Re: systemd and resume (after sleep)

2014-08-02 Thread Brian
On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 10:49:32 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 11:01:11 +0200, Slavko wrote: > > > > You are right, of course, but i see nothing relevant, only one old bug > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673689 which seems to > > be pm-utils related, but with pm-

Re: Strange issue with `find' command

2014-08-02 Thread Dom
On 02/08/14 09:20, Tixy wrote: On Sat, 2014-08-02 at 08:56 +0100, Dom wrote: [...] find . -name *.pdf will expand out to find . -name test1.pdf test2.pdf and there you get your error. But find . -name "test1.pdf" will remain unchanged as the shell won't try and expand the quote

Re: systemd and resume (after sleep)

2014-08-02 Thread Brian
On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 11:01:11 +0200, Slavko wrote: > > I would investigate by installing a minimal Wheezy (no DE, no X) on a > > spare partition or a USB stick. Then install pm-utils and use > > pm-suspend. Continue with a dist-upgrade to Jessie and test again with > > and without systemd. If not

Re: systemd and resume (after sleep)

2014-08-02 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:19:13 +0100 Brian napísal: > On Fri 01 Aug 2014 at 13:58:30 +0200, Slavko wrote: > > > please, i need help to debug my problem with the resume after sleep > > with systemd. > > [Snip] > > > Please, can someone help me with finding a root of problem (and i > > hop

Re: systemd and resume (after sleep)

2014-08-02 Thread Brian
On Fri 01 Aug 2014 at 13:58:30 +0200, Slavko wrote: > please, i need help to debug my problem with the resume after sleep > with systemd. [Snip] > Please, can someone help me with finding a root of problem (and i > hope the solution too)? Where i need to take look to find something > useful? I

Re: Strange issue with `find' command

2014-08-02 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2014-08-02 at 08:56 +0100, Dom wrote: [...] > >find . -name *.pdf > > will expand out to > >find . -name test1.pdf test2.pdf > > and there you get your error. But > >find . -name "test1.pdf" > > will remain unchanged as the shell won't try and expand the quoted values. I

Re: Strange issue with `find' command

2014-08-02 Thread Dom
On 02/08/14 08:41, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Searching in internet, I've found the solution but not te explanation of the following error message: find: paths must precede expression: that the `find' command sometimes produces and sometimes not when used with the `*' character, e.g. to search for

Strange issue with `find' command

2014-08-02 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Searching in internet, I've found the solution but not te explanation of the following error message: find: paths must precede expression: that the `find' command sometimes produces and sometimes not when used with the `*' character, e.g. to search for `*.pdf'. The solution consists in quoting