Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:18:51 -0400 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: Hello Cindy-Sue, >commonly uttered.. Not all that long ago, every comma, period, AND >space that could be dropped from usage had a visually measurable data >storage impact on those tiny hard drives of (also) not very long I was going to

Ounce Topic (was Re: [was UEFI] someone does)

2014-07-11 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Doug wrote: > > [...] A more interesting > question: in what year did the British decide that a pint should have > 20 ounces in it? Must have been a bunch of beer-drinkers who decided > to make that change! > > (Obviously it worked in that direction, not the other

sed, insert file before last line

2014-07-11 Thread T o n g
Hi, The following inserting file method for sed used to be working, even before last line, but not any more. Is it a bug in the current sed? Demo of inserting file method with sed: mkdir /tmp/test printf '%s\n' {1..3} > /tmp/test/f1 printf '%s\n' {one,two,three,four,five,six,seven,eight,nine,t

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread John Hasler
Doug writes: > A more interesting question: in what year did the British decide that > a pint should have 20 ounces in it? 1824. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Conta

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:36:21 -0400 Doug wrote: > (Obviously it worked in that direction, not the other way, since > the old saying exists: "A pint's a pound the world around." And > now it ain't!) This was because we found our anglo-saxons friends a tiny bit embarrassed by such things, that we

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 7/11/14, Brad Rogers wrote: > This is an international list; Different countries have different rules > of grammar and spelling, even when the language is ostensibly the same. > > In any case, Mr. used to always have a full stop after it, much as etc. > did/does. The dropping of the stop came

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Doug
On 07/11/2014 07:10 PM, Brad Rogers wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:25:51 +0100 Brian wrote: Hello Brian, You are going to hate me for this: there is no "." after Mr; it is a contraction. (Off-topic is that way --->). This is an international list; Different countries have different

Re: [OT] Abbrevition or contraction [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 7/11/2014 5:06 PM, Brian wrote: > On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 16:33:52 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 7/11/2014 3:25 PM, Brian wrote: >> >>> You are going to hate me for this: there is no "." after Mr; it is a >>> contraction. (Off-topic is that way --->). >>> >> >> No, it's an abbreviat

Re: [OT] Abbrevition or contraction [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Joel Rees
FWIW -- 2014/07/12 6:07 "Brian" : > > On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 16:33:52 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > On 7/11/2014 3:25 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > You are going to hate me for this: there is no "." after Mr; it is a You could point, instead, to an appropriate I11N list, perhaps, as well? > > No

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:25:51 +0100 Brian wrote: Hello Brian, >You are going to hate me for this: there is no "." after Mr; it is a >contraction. (Off-topic is that way --->). This is an international list; Different countries have different rules of grammar and spelling, even when the

Re: [OT] Abbrevition or contraction [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:33:52 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 7/11/2014 3:25 PM, Brian wrote: > > > You are going to hate me for this: there is no "." after Mr; it is a > > contraction. (Off-topic is that way --->). > > > > No, it's an abbreviation, not a contraction. As a contraction i

Re: Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

2014-07-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:03:14 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I have downloaded the file > debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso > and tried to write it to a DVD (type DVD-R), using Brasero, and it > does not work. Ahh, now you're in my neck of the woods. Try this: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 11 July 2014 21:21:09 Curt wrote: > Well we American slobs put a period (at least my generation was taught > to do so). We Brits too. It is seen as an abbreviation. Inaccuratrely, perhaps. But that is how it is spelt. Think of Mrs. That is an abbreviation of Mistress, but is now u

Re: Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

2014-07-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 02:12:56AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 12/07/2014, Bret Busby wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I have downloaded the file > > debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso > > and tried to write it to a DVD (type DVD-R), using Brasero, and it > > does not work. > > > > With the "Burni

Re: odd behavior of eth0 on a laptop

2014-07-11 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:50:58 -0400 Henning Follmann wrote: > Well, I think he identified his problem! Sure you can have a > bridged network between eth0 and the wifi, but I think this is not > what he was talking about. As I've got a desktop configured this way (with a wifi USB dongle), I first

Re: [OT] Abbrevition or contraction [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 16:33:52 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 7/11/2014 3:25 PM, Brian wrote: > > > You are going to hate me for this: there is no "." after Mr; it is a > > contraction. (Off-topic is that way --->). > > > > No, it's an abbreviation, not a contraction. As a contraction

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-11 Thread Mark Carroll
Brian writes: > On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 11:47:37 +0100, Mark Carroll wrote: (snip) >> No problem, I am interested to learn how others do it! (-: My main >> concern thus remains: does this change with systemd, can I still leave >> background processes running after logging out from the originating >

Re: odd behavior of eth0 on a laptop

2014-07-11 Thread Henning Follmann
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:18:25PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > B a écrit : > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:50:39 +0200 > > > > I'm responding myself: it is not possible to have the same > > IP address for both wired ethernet & wifi. > > Of course it is possible. > Your problem lies elsewhere.

Re: odd behavior of eth0 on a laptop

2014-07-11 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:18:25 +0200 Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Of course it is possible. > Your problem lies elsewhere. Well, the term may be wrong (more an arp confusion or an arp poisoning detection somewhere? As I could arping but do nothing in TCP (or even IP, don't know)). dhcpd refuses to h

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 20:21:09 +, Curt wrote: > On 2014-07-11, Brian wrote: > > > > You are going to hate me for this: there is no "." after Mr; it is a > > contraction. (Off-topic is that way --->). > > > > Well we American slobs put a period (at least my generation was taught > to

Re: [OT] Abbrevition or contraction [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:33:52 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > No, it's an abbreviation, not a contraction. As a contraction it > would be M'r. Let's say it's an abbreviaction to avoid abrasion ;) -- Blackout restrictions apply. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: odd behavior of eth0 on a laptop

2014-07-11 Thread Pascal Hambourg
B a écrit : > On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:50:39 +0200 > > I'm responding myself: it is not possible to have the same > IP address for both wired ethernet & wifi. Of course it is possible. Your problem lies elsewhere. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subje

Re: [OT] Abbrevition or contraction [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 7/11/2014 3:25 PM, Brian wrote: > You are going to hate me for this: there is no "." after Mr; it is a > contraction. (Off-topic is that way --->). > No, it's an abbreviation, not a contraction. As a contraction it would be M'r. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ..

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-11, Brian wrote: > > You are going to hate me for this: there is no "." after Mr; it is a > contraction. (Off-topic is that way --->). > Well we American slobs put a period (at least my generation was taught to do so). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.de

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Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 18:36:54 +, Curt wrote: > On 2014-07-11, Brian wrote: > >> > >> I was going to give the reply a yellow card for unnecessary roughness > >> but realized I'd be mixing my sports metaphors. > > > > You'd not see the reply to the reply as meriting a red card on the > > grou

xfwm troubles and systemd questions

2014-07-11 Thread Matt Ventura
1. My xfwm4 seems to remember what workspaces I have windows on for the next time I open them. The problem is, I don't want it to do this because it will do things like open a window on another workspace minimized so I can't even see where it is without flipping through every workspace. I want all

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-11 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 7/11/2014 1:51 PM, russ wrote: > > > On 07/11/2014 12:39 PM, Joe wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:20:17 +1200 >> Chris Bannister wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 07:25:05AM +0100, Balint Szigeti wrote: On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 15:48 +0200, B wrote: > On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-11, Brian wrote: >> >> I was going to give the reply a yellow card for unnecessary roughness >> but realized I'd be mixing my sports metaphors. > > You'd not see the reply to the reply as meriting a red card on the > grounds of being obviously rhetorical? > Nah. Too severe. BTW, have

Re: Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

2014-07-11 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/07/2014, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I have downloaded the file > debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso > and tried to write it to a DVD (type DVD-R), using Brasero, and it > does not work. > > With the "Burning Disc" dialogue box, it states that it has written > 2%, then goes to an "ej

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 17:26:57 +, Curt wrote: > On 2014-07-11, Steve Litt wrote: > >> > >> Haneke is a mastermind, but things are rather different this side of > >> the ocean. Your gonna need to bring hell, not just play silly. > > > > What does this reply, to a perfectly clear question, eve

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-11 Thread russ
On 07/11/2014 12:39 PM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:20:17 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 07:25:05AM +0100, Balint Szigeti wrote: On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 15:48 +0200, B wrote: On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09:01:43 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: What's wrong with that?

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 11:47:37 +0100, Mark Carroll wrote: > berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: > > > Yes, now I understand that it's different. I used my window manager > > shortcut to close windows. With the exit command, it does not close, as > > people here said, but this is something I w

Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

2014-07-11 Thread Bret Busby
Hello. I have downloaded the file debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso and tried to write it to a DVD (type DVD-R), using Brasero, and it does not work. With the "Burning Disc" dialogue box, it states that it has written 2%, then goes to an "ejecting medium" message, then a dialogue box " Err

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 12:21:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a little > voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who controlled the > decision to go to systemd had been the decision makers in 1990, Linux > would have a microkernel to

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-11 Thread John Hasler
Steve Litt writes: > ...if they guys who controlled the decision to go to systemd had been > the decision makers in 1990, Linux would have a microkernel today. Which guys? Debian would not be going to systemd as the default were there any viable alternative. As it is while systemd will be the de

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-11, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> Haneke is a mastermind, but things are rather different this side of >> the ocean. Your gonna need to bring hell, not just play silly. > > What does this reply, to a perfectly clear question, even mean? > I was going to give the reply a yellow card for unne

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-11 Thread Joe
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:20:17 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 07:25:05AM +0100, Balint Szigeti wrote: > > On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 15:48 +0200, B wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09:01:43 -0400 > > > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > > > > > What's wrong with that? I also

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 06:51:11 +0100 Balint Szigeti wrote: > On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 13:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org > wrote: > > I can't, but I want to ask some questions about that problem you > > describe. > > Are remote desktop the majority of linux uses? > > Do you really need remot

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 02:20 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 07:25:05AM +0100, Balint Szigeti wrote: > > On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 15:48 +0200, B wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09:01:43 -0400 > > > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > > > > > What's wrong with that? I also h

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:29:41 -0300 André Nunes Batista wrote: > On Wed, 2014-07-09 at 13:12 +0100, Benedito Junior wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I bought a new laptop and the debian does not install on it because > > the uefi. Does anyone here known how to install the Debian using a > > UEFI instala

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-11 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 7/11/2014 10:20 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 07:25:05AM +0100, Balint Szigeti wrote: >> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 15:48 +0200, B wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09:01:43 -0400 >>> Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> What's wrong with that? I also have to use Windows, even w

Re: systemd surprises

2014-07-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 01:53:01AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 03:07:54PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > I would try pressing Enter a few times (if a getty is on that terminal, > > that should cause it to re-display the "login:" prompt). Or, failing > > that, use the SAK

Re: systemd surprises

2014-07-11 Thread Darac Marjal
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 01:53:01AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 03:07:54PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 01:43:23AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > When I logged out of fvwm, and hence X, tty3 (the tty where X was > > > runnin

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 07:25:05AM +0100, Balint Szigeti wrote: > On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 15:48 +0200, B wrote: > > > On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09:01:43 -0400 > > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > > > What's wrong with that? I also have to use Windows, even when I'm > > > working on Linux device drivers (

Re: [was UEFI] someone does

2014-07-11 Thread André Nunes Batista
On Wed, 2014-07-09 at 13:12 +0100, Benedito Junior wrote: > Hello, > > I bought a new laptop and the debian does not install on it because the > uefi. Does anyone here known how to install the Debian using a UEFI > instalation like Ubuntu does? So I heard your question, but it did not strike me a

Re: systemd surprises

2014-07-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 03:07:54PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 01:43:23AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Hi, > > > > When I logged out of fvwm, and hence X, tty3 (the tty where X was > > running) displayed this at the top of the screen: > > > > enabled, not active [unc

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.07.2014 12:47, Mark Carroll a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: Le 10.07.2014 19:42, Steve Litt a écrit : (snip) The plot thickens. How did you exit the terminal? Did you File->Close or type exit at the command prompt, or did you use a window manager "close window" comman

Re: PuTTY SSH client security

2014-07-11 Thread Virgo Pärna
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:24:50 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > PuTTY is *not* based on OpenSSL[1], so it has never been susceptible to > the heartbleed bug. > And even if it were based on OpenSSL, it would not have been suspectible to heartbleed bug, because ssh protocol was not suspectible to

Re: Where to put start-up and shutdown code from `man 4 random`?

2014-07-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014, Kynn Jones wrote: > The documentation in `man 4 random` (**Configuration** section) gives a > couple of shell-script snippets that it recommends should be added, > respectively, "to an appropriate script which is run during the Linux > start-up sequence" and "to an appropriate

Re: Where to put start-up and shutdown code from `man 4 random`?

2014-07-11 Thread Kynn Jones
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: > Hi > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 06:41:49AM -0400, Kynn Jones wrote: > > The documentation in `man 4 random` (**Configuration** section) gives a > couple > > of shell-script snippets that it recommends should be added, > respectively, "to

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-11 Thread Mark Carroll
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: > Le 10.07.2014 19:42, Steve Litt a écrit : (snip) >> The plot thickens. How did you exit the terminal? Did you File->Close >> or type exit at the command prompt, or did you use a window manager >> "close window" command (usually Alt+F4)? It makes a difference

Re: Where to put start-up and shutdown code from `man 4 random`?

2014-07-11 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 06:41:49AM -0400, Kynn Jones wrote: > The documentation in `man 4 random` (**Configuration** section) gives a couple > of shell-script snippets that it recommends should be added, respectively, "to > an appropriate script which is run during the Linux start-up sequence"

Re: Where to put start-up and shutdown code from `man 4 random`?

2014-07-11 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 06:41:49AM -0400, Kynn Jones wrote: >The documentation in `man 4 random` (**Configuration** section) gives a >couple of shell-script snippets that it recommends should be added, >respectively, "to an appropriate script which is run during the Linux >start-up

Where to put start-up and shutdown code from `man 4 random`?

2014-07-11 Thread Kynn Jones
The documentation in `man 4 random` (**Configuration** section) gives a couple of shell-script snippets that it recommends should be added, respectively, "to an appropriate script which is run during the Linux start-up sequence" and "to an appropriate script which is run during the Linux system shu

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.07.2014 19:42, Steve Litt a écrit : On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:49:54 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 09.07.2014 23:11, Mark Carroll a écrit : > berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: > >> Le 09.07.2014 15:40, Mark Carroll a écrit : >>> Martin Read writes: >>> On 09/07/1

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.07.2014 19:38, Steve Litt a écrit : On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:29:02 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 09.07.2014 23:06, Steve Litt a écrit : > Anyone who regularly uses nohup for this kind of thing should try > the following: > > find / -type f -name nohup.out -exec ls -l {}

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-11 Thread Joe
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 02:35:05 -0400 Neal Murphy wrote: > On Friday, July 11, 2014 01:51:11 AM Balint Szigeti wrote: > > exactly. why does Linux want to be a Windows DE? > > (multi-graph-sessions)? because someone calls 'it is a modern > > system'? usually, if one system is used by several people,