Re: ntp and multiple OSes

2014-06-12 Thread Rick Thomas
On Jun 12, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Why do you need to step the clock? It is better to install ntp and > adjust the rate of the clock so that every tick is seen but adjusted > to be in time with the rest of the world. NTP, as configured by the default Debian package, also steps th

Re: ntp and multiple OSes

2014-06-12 Thread Rick Thomas
On Jun 12, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: >> Rick Thomas wrote: >>> Have you tried "rdate -np" ? It does the same thing (pretty much) >>> as your "ntpdate -qu" >> >> The big problem with ntpdate and rdate is that they step the cloc

Re: Sound configuration failure in debian amd64...

2014-06-12 Thread Raffaele Morelli
2014-06-13 5:57 GMT+02:00 Bret Busby : > On 11/06/2014, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > > > > > ​this doesn't help, use `aplay -l` instead​ > > > > For this, I get > > " > ~# aplay -l > List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices > card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC282 Analog [ALC282 Analog] >

Re: Please delete all my Post from my E-Mail adress !

2014-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Finjan, Salam wrote: > >> please delete my post from mailing list! > > It wouldn't help, anyway. This email list is archived a lot more places > than just on debian.org. Usenet, for a start. And then there is the Streisand effect. Trying to suppress information calls

Re: ntp and multiple OSes

2014-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Rick Thomas wrote: >> Have you tried "rdate -np" ? It does the same thing (pretty much) >> as your "ntpdate -qu" > > The big problem with ntpdate and rdate is that they step the clock. > That is only appropriate at boot time. But -q means not

Re: ntp and multiple OSes

2014-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Rick Thomas wrote: > Chris Davies wrote: > > For day-to-day usage I would agree with your recommendation of ntp > > to ntpdate. However, I have yet to find a useful alternative to > > the very convenient "ntpdate -qu {server}". Is there one? > > Have you tried "rdate -np" ? It does the same thing

Re: ntp and multiple OSes -- Where the UTC goes

2014-06-12 Thread Rusi Mody
On Friday, June 13, 2014 5:30:01 AM UTC+5:30, Rick Thomas wrote: > On Jun 9, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Rusi Mody wrote: > > Ubuntu does not seem to have the 3 line structure of adjtime -- just 1 line. > > In particular it does not have the UTC/LOCAL 3rd line: > > # mount LABEL=Ubuntu64 /mnt/ > > # cat /m

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-12 Thread darkestkhan
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM, wrote: >> except that each time I have read a reference to PA, it was to say that it >> does not work correctly, and often, removing it seemed to solve the problem? > > PulseAudio does have its problems (I do

Re: Sound configuration failure in debian amd64...

2014-06-12 Thread Doug
On 06/12/2014 11:57 PM, Bret Busby wrote: On 11/06/2014, Raffaele Morelli wrote: 2014-06-11 5:34 GMT+02:00 Tapas Das : Hello this isTapas Das. I am a debian user for the last three yearsfirst it was 32-bit debian squeeze 6.0.0... and now using amd64 version on P8H61-MLX motherboard (

Re: Sound configuration failure in debian amd64...

2014-06-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/06/2014, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > 2014-06-11 5:34 GMT+02:00 Tapas Das : > >> Hello >> this isTapas Das. >> I am a debian user for the last three yearsfirst it was 32-bit >> debian squeeze 6.0.0... >> and now using amd64 version on P8H61-MLX motherboard (ASUS) with intel >> core i3 p

Re: Weird hw/system time issue..

2014-06-12 Thread Rick Thomas
On Jun 12, 2014, at 2:17 PM, LVDave wrote: > I'm running Debian Jessie with KDE on a laptop, and the install has developed > a very annoying problem.. I have the bios/hw clock set on localtime > (American/Pacific time). Every time I start the machine up, the system clock > changes to UTC. I ha

Re: ntp and multiple OSes

2014-06-12 Thread Rusi Mody
On Friday, June 13, 2014 4:10:02 AM UTC+5:30, Bob Proulx wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > If you have indeed a UTC vs. local problem you need to check > > /etc/adjtime on all systems. If all files show the same ntp can take > > care of your hardware clock. > Try this and see if it says somethi

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 13:22 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 11 iun 14, 01:32:37, B wrote: > > From what you report, Ralf, the kinda site attack they > > suffered should never happen, or at least should have been > > circumvented very fast (IF there is somebody strong enough > > to handle

Re: Weird hw/system time issue..

2014-06-12 Thread Rick Thomas
On Jun 12, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Just to make it clear what we are talking about: > > - hardware clock: the time of your computer's internal clock, should be > UTC, but local time is also possible > - system time: the system's internal reference, is always UTC, is > usual

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread John Hasler
B writes: > There's also a word processor WYSIWYG spiting Latex Two: Lyx and Gummi. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Richard Hector
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/06/14 11:46, B wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:36:51 +1000 Chris Angelico > wrote: > >> And unlike typical binary document formats (at best, zipped XML >> like ODF), TeX source files are plain text, and work very nicely >> with source con

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:46 AM, B wrote: > There's also a word processor WYSIWYG spiting Latex > (don't remember its name, though); but it is better > to learn it manually because this way possibilities > are endless. I agree, but then, I also build my GUIs using code rather than WYSIWYG ed

Re: ntp and multiple OSes -- Where the UTC goes

2014-06-12 Thread Rick Thomas
On Jun 9, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Rusi Mody wrote: > Ubuntu does not seem to have the 3 line structure of adjtime -- just 1 line. > In particular it does not have the UTC/LOCAL 3rd line: > > > # mount LABEL=Ubuntu64 /mnt/ > # cat /mnt/etc/adjtime > 0.0 0 0.0 > # > > Any ideas where to make the UT

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:36:51 +1000 Chris Angelico wrote: > And unlike typical binary document formats (at best, zipped XML > like ODF), TeX source files are plain text, and work very nicely > with source control. Efficient, clean, and you can read your > diffs. It's kinda possible to make a reada

Re: ntp and multiple OSes

2014-06-12 Thread Rick Thomas
On Jun 9, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Chris Davies wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> ntpdate is obsolete, please remove (purge) it and install ntp. > > For day-to-day usage I would agree with your recommendation of ntp to > ntpdate. However, I have yet to find a useful alternative to the very > convenie

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 8:09 AM, B wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:56:17 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> Seriously, you're looking for TeX/LaTeX/LyX/etc. > > All teachers I know use Latex to build their courses > in a (very) nice way. > The learning curve is a bit odd, but it is worth > th

Re: Weird hw/system time issue..

2014-06-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 01:25:20 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > - hardware clock: the time of your computer's internal clock, > should be UTC, but local time is also possible > - system time: the system's internal reference, is always UTC, is > usually *not* shown to users (unless you choose UTC as

Re: ntp and multiple OSes

2014-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > If you have indeed a UTC vs. local problem you need to check > /etc/adjtime on all systems. If all files show the same ntp can take > care of your hardware clock. Try this and see if it says something different between the two different booted operating systems. # hwcl

Re: Weird hw/system time issue..

2014-06-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 12 iun 14, 21:17:37, LVDave wrote: > I'm running Debian Jessie with KDE on a laptop, and the install has > developed a very annoying problem.. I have the bios/hw clock set on > localtime (American/Pacific time). Every time I start the machine up, the > system clock changes to UTC. I have to

Re: MPD on localhost won't work if there's no Wifi!?

2014-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian wrote: > Tom H wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > > Teresa e Junior wrote: > > >> $ cat /etc/hostname > > >> localhost > ... > True. What do think about the lack of '127.0.1.1 localhost' in > etc/hosts? Squeeze and Wheezy installs would both put this line in. Process check! I think you have mixed

Re: Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Murukesh Mohanan wrote: > 1. I have explicitly stated that I am automating new installations. > I don't understand what repeating that statement back to me means. > I have read README.Debian, and I don't see how it answers my question, > which is: *why* are you totally ignoring a user-made selectio

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:56:17 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Seriously, you're looking for TeX/LaTeX/LyX/etc. All teachers I know use Latex to build their courses in a (very) nice way. The learning curve is a bit odd, but it is worth the result. You can even write books with it, as most of publis

Re: Weird hw/system time issue..

2014-06-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 12 June 2014 22:17:37 LVDave wrote: > I've tried installed ntpdate and tried > setting "Set Date/Time automatically" but it quickly sets the system time > to UTC. Surely that is what it is supposed to do?? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 12 iun 14, 23:28:46, Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > Maybe I was not clear. I have several machines, all running either the same > version of Linux, with (seems) the same fonts, or sometime a slightly > different (e.g. upgraded) version of Linux. Or simply I update Libre Office. > > And eve

Re: Kernel 3.14.x bug? rm, mv root-owned files

2014-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
The Wanderer wrote: > By this, I meant that I think 'rm' should refuse permission to remove a > particular hardlink to the file when there are multiple such hardlinks, > just as I think it should when there is only one. Hmm... That would be a completely different operating model. A valid model c

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Thierry de Coulon
On Thursday 12 June 2014 22.56:27 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 12 iun 14, 17:03:18, Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > My main concern with LibreOffice is that formatting is not consistent if > > you copen your document on another machine, but th'sts another story. > > Depending on what you mean by for

Weird hw/system time issue..

2014-06-12 Thread LVDave
I'm running Debian Jessie with KDE on a laptop, and the install has developed a very annoying problem.. I have the bios/hw clock set on localtime (American/Pacific time). Every time I start the machine up, the system clock changes to UTC. I have to then go to the taskbar "set date/time" and run the

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 12 iun 14, 17:03:18, Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > My main concern with LibreOffice is that formatting is not consistent if you > copen your document on another machine, but th'sts another story. Depending on what you mean by formating, I would argue that this is not it's purpose (and nei

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Prunk Dump wrote: > Yes I installed libreoffice-l10n-fr but in libreoffice draw the paper > size stay on US letter... Configure the default paper settings with libpaper1. # dpkg-reconfigure libpaper1 That will present a dialog box allowing you to select the default paper size. Because you hav

Re: Iceweasel problem

2014-06-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 13:06:55 -0700 Bob Holtzman wrote: > Every time I start the computer from a shutdown or wake it from > hibernation Iceweasel opens and I close it 6 consecutive times in > rapid succession. After the 6th time it stays closed unless I > deliberately open it. If it had been 7 ti

Iceweasel problem

2014-06-12 Thread Bob Holtzman
Running updated Wheezy w/ Iceweasel 24.5.0 on a Thinkpad 420i. Every time I start the computer from a shutdown or wake it from hibernation Iceweasel opens and I close it 6 consecutive times in rapid succession. After the 6th time it stays closed unless I deliberately open it. Online searches have

Re: Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Matthias Großmann wrote: > after downloading the most recent linux source package for wheezy > on my wheezy system, I noticed that dpkg-source fails to verify its > signature: [...] > I would expect everything required to verify packages in wheezy to be > included in wheezy,

Re: [0.5 OT] How to grab some entry by command line

2014-06-12 Thread davidson
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, lina wrote: Hi, I wish to grab part of the CDS entry from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/KF699528.2 namely, "MLDHSSVNSTIAPGNLLNLPVWCYLLETEEGPILVDTGMPESAV NNEGLFNGTFVEGQILPKMTEEDRIVNILKRVGYEPDDLLYIISSHLHFDHAGGNGAF TNTPIIVQRTEYE

Re: IEEE 802.11-USB adapters with RTL8187L

2014-06-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 06:46:39 -0700 pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Does anyone have an advice or warning before I invest a little > time and money? Yep, carton, aluminium foil, glue a a bit of time will give you the same ting for less. > And an incidental question: has anyone examined an adapter

Re: IEEE 802.11-USB adapters with RTL8187L

2014-06-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 06:46:39AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Hi, > > According to https://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x > these inexpensive adapters should work for Wheezy and later. > http://www.ebay.ca/itm/171177227057 > http://www.ebay.ca/itm/151155525479 > http://www.ebay.ca/itm/161013787436

Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-12 Thread Matthias Großmann
Hi All, after downloading the most recent linux source package for wheezy on my wheezy system, I noticed that dpkg-source fails to verify its signature: $ dpkg-source -x linux_3.2.57-3+deb7u2.dsc gpgv: Signature made Thu Jun 5 10:38:20 2014 CEST using RSA key ID 1343CF44 gpgv: Can't check sign

Re: Handy ls: was Should I install chkrootkit?

2014-06-12 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 08:55:56PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > ls -lart /var/log Quote button broken? -- Bob Holtzman A man is a man who will fight with a sword or tackle Mt Everest in snow, but the bravest of all owns a '34 Ford and tries for 6000 in low. signature.asc Description: Digital sig

Re: [0.5 OT] How to grab some entry by command line

2014-06-12 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 6/12/2014 8:13 AM, lina wrote: > Hi, > > I wish to grab part of the CDS entry from > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/KF699528.2 > > namely, > > "MLDHSSVNSTIAPGNLLNLPVWCYLLETEEGPILVDTGMPESAV > > NNEGLFNGTFVEGQILPKMTEEDRIVNILKRVGYEPDDLLYIISSHLHFDHAGGNGAF >

Re: [0.5 OT] How to grab some entry by command line

2014-06-12 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 08:13:11PM +0800, lina wrote: >Hi, > >I wish to grab part of the CDS entry from >[1]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/KF699528.2 Watching that page load in Firefox, I notice that the body of the page starts blank and then a "Loading" wheel appears before the

Re: Package system totaly a complete mess

2014-06-12 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 12 Jun 2014 13:18:21 +0300 Andrei POPESCU napísal: > > >reduce the size of your /var/lib/dpkg/available. HOW ? well just > > >open the file and delete stuff and save ! ok. there are too many > > >ways to choose how. back up before doing it. and don't delete any > > >you'll n

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Thierry de Coulon
On Thursday 12 June 2014 16.20:12 David wrote: > On 12 June 2014 16:31, Prunk Dump wrote: > > Moreover some bugs that appear insignificant for a normal Debian user > > can become critical on entreprise. A simple example is LibreOffice. > > Some of the tools of the suite does not get the defaut pap

IEEE 802.11-USB adapters with RTL8187L

2014-06-12 Thread peter
Hi, According to https://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x these inexpensive adapters should work for Wheezy and later. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/171177227057 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/151155525479 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/161013787436 Does anyone have an advice or warning before I invest a little time and money?

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 12 June 2014 11:14:22 Prunk Dump wrote: > 2014-06-12 10:06 GMT+02:00 Lisi Reisz : > > On Thursday 12 June 2014 07:31:46 Prunk Dump wrote: > >> A simple example is LibreOffice. > >> Some of the tools of the suite does not get the defaut paper size from > >> libpaper or locale. So the pr

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:20:12 +1000 David wrote: > processor with a longstanding bug that entirely removes embedded > images at random from a document [1] then I feel sure that I would > entirely lose the respect and friendship of that colleague. Never had this one (I always embed pictures in my

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread David
On 12 June 2014 16:31, Prunk Dump wrote: > > Moreover some bugs that appear insignificant for a normal Debian user > can become critical on entreprise. A simple example is LibreOffice. > Some of the tools of the suite does not get the defaut paper size from > libpaper or locale. So the print jobs

Re: How to get the processes that open (connect to) certain display?

2014-06-12 Thread Magicloud Magiclouds
Splendid!, Thank you. On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Reco wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:35:45 +0800 > Magicloud Magiclouds wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > There are two situations. Local program, remote program via X forward. > > > > All I can think of is to iterate local procs and read DISP

[0.5 OT] How to grab some entry by command line

2014-06-12 Thread lina
Hi, I wish to grab part of the CDS entry from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/KF699528.2 namely, "MLDHSSVNSTIAPGNLLNLPVWCYLLETEEGPILVDTGMPESAV NNEGLFNGTFVEGQILPKMTEEDRIVNILKRVGYEPDDLLYIISSHLHFDHAGGNGAF TNTPIIVQRTEYEAALHREEYMKECILPHLNYKIIEGDYEVVPGVQL

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:14:22 +0200 Prunk Dump wrote: > Yes I installed libreoffice-l10n-fr but in libreoffice draw the > paper size stay on US letter... > > Maybe a bug in the French language pack ? It is also tied to the locale you use. I force LC_NUMERIC & LC_MESSAGES to "C" to avoid silly fr

Re: Handy ls: was Should I install chkrootkit?

2014-06-12 Thread Joel Rees
ls -lart /var/log -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caar43io9xjnx9m8a4e2psetplbbw5kmevdawd5zpms+xsag...@mail.gmail.com

Re: Listing packages installed from experimental

2014-06-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 10 iun 14, 15:19:18, David Glover-Aoki wrote: > Here's the output I get from apt-show-versions, for a package I know > is from experimental: Please show the output of 'apt-cache policy deluge-common'. > deluge-common 1.3.6-1 newer than version in archive This works fine here: $ apt-sh

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 11 iun 14, 01:32:37, B wrote: > From what you report, Ralf, the kinda site attack they > suffered should never happen, or at least should have been > circumvented very fast (IF there is somebody strong enough > to handle that). > > That's a pity for such a good idea but I don't think th

Re: Package system totaly a complete mess

2014-06-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
[I hope I got the attributions correctly, as far as I can tell I'm only responding to "John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell", not to berenger.morel@, from what appears to have been a private reply] > Le 11.06.2014 08:41, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell a écrit : > > > >NO. APT does not bre

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Prunk Dump
2014-06-12 10:06 GMT+02:00 Lisi Reisz : > On Thursday 12 June 2014 07:31:46 Prunk Dump wrote: >> A simple example is LibreOffice. >> Some of the tools of the suite does not get the defaut paper size from >> libpaper or locale. So the print jobs are sended as US Letter instead >> of A4 and the prin

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 12 iun 14, 08:31:46, Prunk Dump wrote: > > Yes but, as a network administrator, I'am front of a problem with > debian Stable : the distribution is not very tested for entreprise > where we use complex tools (ldap, kerberos, nfs4, ...) and eccentric > configurations ( shared home, shared win

Gnome classic wheezy "applications" menu

2014-06-12 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
Dear All, i am using wheezy and my "Applications" menu shows me top bottom arrow keys. to scroll down and up however, whole desktop space remains to display the full list. it only shows 8 items. and if i add further menu it shows me scroll buttons up and down. i want a full list view with out an

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 12 June 2014 07:31:46 Prunk Dump wrote: > A simple example is LibreOffice. > Some of the tools of the suite does not get the defaut paper size from > libpaper or locale. So the print jobs are sended as US Letter instead > of A4 and the printers reject them. It's impossible for me to ex