Re: Network services started before NIC UP.

2013-12-10 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:12:14AM CET, Bob Proulx said: > Erwan David wrote: > > I have a problem that services are started on a server I manage before > > link is UP. This leads to some services failing, or not bound to every > > addresses : > > Please say what release track you are using? Uns

Re: nautilus -> spacefm

2013-12-10 Thread Sharon Kimble
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 13:16:47 -0500 Dave Woyciesjes wrote: > On 12/10/2013 12:38 PM, Tixy wrote: > > On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 16:25 +, Sharon Kimble wrote: > >> On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:03:33 + > >> Sharon Kimble wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> I'm trying to move over to spacefm from nautilus because i

Re: Postgresql setup on Debian system

2013-12-10 Thread Raffaele Morelli
2013/12/11 Gary Roach > I just switched from using PHP and Mysql to Python / Django and > Postgresql. I am having trouble with the setup of Postgresql permissions. I > am locked out of some parts of the system and am unsure when to use > postgres login vs user login. Most of the Postgresql instru

Re: libdrm-nouveau2/libdrm-radeon1 installed as requirement to libgl1-mesa-dri

2013-12-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 04:20:57PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 01:54 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 08:06:42PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > > Sometimes there are insane hard dependencies, but what's bad with those >

Re: Shutting down lessens computer life............

2013-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 09 dec 13, 17:21:11, Steven Rosenberg wrote: > I don't see well-used laptops lasting longer than 5 years. Something's > bound to go wrong. What about not well used laptops? Seriously, as far as I recall my Thinkpad is already 5 years old. I had to replace the CPU fan twice and the keyboar

Re: Page-viewing problem in Iceweasel on Debian testing/Jessie

2013-12-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 12/11/13, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: > Hi, > I just upgraded to Debian testing. Here I'm facing some problems > regarding Iceweasel. I cannot see writings/fonts in some webpages. For > example, when I'm writing a blog on Blogger, I cannot see the writings > but after it's done, I could see it pub

Re: Page-viewing problem in Iceweasel on Debian testing/Jessie

2013-12-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 12/11/13, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: > Hi, > I just upgraded to Debian testing. Here I'm facing some problems > regarding Iceweasel. I cannot see writings/fonts in some webpages. For > example, when I'm writing a blog on Blogger, I cannot see the writings > but after it's done, I could see it pub

Page-viewing problem in Iceweasel on Debian testing/Jessie

2013-12-10 Thread Muntasim-Ul-Haque
Hi, I just upgraded to Debian testing. Here I'm facing some problems regarding Iceweasel. I cannot see writings/fonts in some webpages. For example, when I'm writing a blog on Blogger, I cannot see the writings but after it's done, I could see it published. Again some webpages are creating the

Re: override kernel version with make-kpkg

2013-12-10 Thread Michael Gulick
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 23:13:32 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote: If you want to do this, you won't be able to use make-kpkg. You will need to do something like make a modified version of the Debian source package, linux, and build it with dpkg-buildpackage. But you want to use upstream sources.

Postgresql setup on Debian system

2013-12-10 Thread Gary Roach
I just switched from using PHP and Mysql to Python / Django and Postgresql. I am having trouble with the setup of Postgresql permissions. I am locked out of some parts of the system and am unsure when to use postgres login vs user login. Most of the Postgresql instructions are written for non-d

Re: Is there a way to ssh into the debian installation process?

2013-12-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 08:57:05PM -0800, Rick Thomas a écrit : > > Do I have to build my own CD? Or is there some way I can use a standard > netinst CD, put a magic parameter on the boot command line and maybe > something (what?) on a handy USB stick, and have it all fall into place? > > This s

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Di, 2013-12-10 at 23:54 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Clever attacks manifest themselves a long time after the "infection" in order > to poison backups. And backup media may fail when they are most needed. > That's an effect of Murphy's law :). Read about my backup strategy below. Only one

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ? - .xsession vs .xinitrc

2013-12-10 Thread Brian
On Wed 11 Dec 2013 at 11:15:11 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 12/11/13, Bob Proulx wrote: > > > I prefer: > > > > ,[ ~/.xsession ] > > | #!/bin/bash --login > > | exec x-session-manager > > ` > > > > And VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE ABOVE then be sure to: > > > > chmod a+x ~/.xsession >

Re: debian sid, XFCE, recent upgrade, 2 external monitors, resolution of one not remembered

2013-12-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 12/11/13, Ric Moore wrote: > On 12/10/2013 03:08 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> I have a laptop with 2 external monitors, both WUXGA - 1920x1200. >> I recently upgraded my sid installation. >> I use startx to start my XFCE session. >> >> After the upgrade, when I startx, XFCE does not remember t

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ? - .xsession vs .xinitrc

2013-12-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 12/11/13, Bob Proulx wrote: > Paul E Condon wrote: >> Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> > Most display managers don't source ~/.profile (or /etc/profile). I tried > I prefer: > > ,[ ~/.xsession ] > | #!/bin/bash --login > | exec x-session-manager > ` > > And VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE ABOVE then be

backup files, was: Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ? a new problem

2013-12-10 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 02:58:57PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > But I do have some strange files that I had notice for several months, namely > > #.Xresources# #.muttrc# #test# and #x# > > The contents of #.Xresources# and #x# are X resource definitions, but > there are conflicting emacs.geomet

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Brian
On Tue 10 Dec 2013 at 23:50:00 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > On 10/dic/2013, at 20:46, Brian wrote: > > > Quite possibly this is a technique which is tried but, in a default > > install, Debian does not provide any faulty services. > > > > You are never sure about not-yet publicize

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ? [solved]

2013-12-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20131210_234313, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > My two cents: if you start your session from an X11 login (I.e. gdm, xdm...) > you do not run a login shell and .profile is not invoked. Telling the > terminal to > start the shell as a login one is a solution, another is moving the code from > .pro

Re: Re: Re: Can't find cmake package

2013-12-10 Thread Don Grimm
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Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ?

2013-12-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20131210_175158, Tixy wrote: > On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 12:15 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > > I've just done a fresh netinst of Wheezy and want to proceed with my > > personal configuring in a way that is not fighting with the Debian > > view of how things should be done. I've used Debian since Pot

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Neal Murphy
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 05:56:24 PM Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 10 December 2013 16:50:54 Nate Bargmann wrote: > > I presume that entering a password in those fields results in root > > having its own password and the first user account not being a > > member of the sudo group. > > That i

Re: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 10 December 2013 06:39:17 Tom H wrote: > You can't trust yourself with sudo but you can trust yourself with > su or login root access... I have to make a conscious effort to become root. This reduces the risk that I will accidentally do something extra foolish. I do not have root lo

Re: Network services started before NIC UP.

2013-12-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Erwan David wrote: > I have a problem that services are started on a server I manage before > link is UP. This leads to some services failing, or not bound to every > addresses : Please say what release track you are using? Unstable, Testing, Stable? Please say whether you are using parallel boo

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Clever attacks manifest themselves a long time after the "infection" in order to poison backups. And backup media may fail when they are most needed. That's an effect of Murphy's law :). -- Gian Uberto Lauri Messaggio inviato da un tablet > On 10/dic/2013, at 21:54, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ?

2013-12-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 12/10/13, Paul E Condon wrote: .. > Now, I want to try to do things in the way the developers had > in mind when they built the install CD images. > > I see the file ~/.profile . It contains code that tests for the > existence of ~/bin/ and adds it to $PATH , if it exists. But it > doesn't 'wo

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ? a new problem

2013-12-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Paul E Condon wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Most display managers don't source ~/.profile (or /etc/profile). I tried > > to discuss this with developers, but there was hardly any interest so I > > settled for sourcing them in ~/.xsessionrc instead (which is sourced by > > the X startup scri

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
> On 10/dic/2013, at 20:46, Brian wrote: > Quite possibly this is a technique which is tried but, in a default > install, Debian does not provide any faulty services. > You are never sure about not-yet publicized exploits. And some time ago there was a problem with sone ssh code that should

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ? a new problem

2013-12-10 Thread Brian
On Tue 10 Dec 2013 at 14:58:57 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > The bottom line is that I don't have an .xsessionrc , and therefore > its not a good place for me to put profile files sourcing. > > Suggestions? You will only have one if you write it yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-u

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ? [solved]

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
My two cents: if you start your session from an X11 login (I.e. gdm, xdm...) you do not run a login shell and .profile is not invoked. Telling the terminal to start the shell as a login one is a solution, another is moving the code from .profile to .bashrc (this one is invoked each time you star

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 10 December 2013 16:50:54 Nate Bargmann wrote: > I presume that entering a password in those fields results in root > having its own password and the first user account not being a > member of the sudo group. That is what I assumed, but as a result of this thread I just tested. I have

firefox/iceweasel - (XFCE) large cursors overlap tooltips

2013-12-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On sid, XFCE (perhaps unrelated) and using iceweasel (appears to be v24.1.0, but this happened with previous versions): tooltip popups (eg showing the url behind links and images etc) is consistently UNDER my (48 point) mouse cursor. I move the mouse, to try to read the popup text and the popup d

Re: Some objections (was Re: Package Request)

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
LOL !!! -- Gian Uberto Lauri Messaggio inviato da un tablet > On 10/dic/2013, at 20:26, Neal Murphy wrote: > >> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 06:29:47 AM Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: >> Chris Bannister writes: On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 10:14:24PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Commands are

Re: about C program CPP macro

2013-12-10 Thread Atle Solbakken
Den 10. des. 2013 15:19, skrev Nicol TAO: I want to using #define / #undef, and want to put them in a single macro, some thing like: #define DECALRE_TYPE(type) \ { #undef __curr_type; #define _curr_type type; } Why do you need to #undef it first? Can you do without the #undef and use type

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Di, 2013-12-10 at 21:44 +, Brian wrote: > On Tue 10 Dec 2013 at 15:32:57 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > I was guessing that it refered to Display 0:0 of the X server as the > > discussion centered on running X as root at one point. > > May I withdraw my "More than likely"? There has to

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ? a new problem

2013-12-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20131210_015742, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 09 dec 13, 12:15:53, Paul E Condon wrote: > > I've just done a fresh netinst of Wheezy and want to proceed with my > > personal configuring in a way that is not fighting with the Debian > > view of how things should be done. I've used Debian since

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Brian
On Tue 10 Dec 2013 at 15:32:57 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > I was guessing that it refered to Display 0:0 of the X server as the > discussion centered on running X as root at one point. May I withdraw my "More than likely"? There has to be a time when the guessing has to cease, -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: How do I get rid of the "launchpad" in XFCE?

2013-12-10 Thread André Nunes Batista
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 20:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 12/6/2013 5:23 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > > André Nunes Batista wrote: > >> BTW, why did they change that? Panel 0 and Panel 1 were such an cool way > >> to teach gui users to count. > > > > Hmm... I disagree. Counting and indexing are two

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
I was guessing that it refered to Display 0:0 of the X server as the discussion centered on running X as root at one point. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Brian
On Tue 10 Dec 2013 at 22:04:00 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Di, 2013-12-10 at 19:46 +, Brian wrote: > > The English is fine but I wish I understood the implications of 0:0. > > root:root? More than likely; but its significance in the contaxt it was given still escapes me. (Probably becaus

Network services started before NIC UP.

2013-12-10 Thread Erwan David
I have a problem that services are started on a server I manage before link is UP. This leads to some services failing, or not bound to every addresses : here is an excerpt from the logs : Dec 10 18:21:24 tee acpid: starting up with netlink and the input layer Dec 10 18:21:24 tee acpid: 1 rule lo

Re: (SOLVED) Re: gdm3 issue

2013-12-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 12/10/13, Kailash Kalyani wrote: > On Tuesday 10 December 2013 07:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 02:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 19:08 +, Tom H wrote: The Ubuntu-created grub.cfg cannot be blamed for a GDM problem. If GDM is being la

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Di, 2013-12-10 at 19:46 +, Brian wrote: > The English is fine but I wish I understood the implications of 0:0. root:root? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://list

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Di, 2013-12-10 at 17:56 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > I would not trust backups as an absolute safety You don't trust backups? Why? Regards, Ralf PS: I make complete backups, IOW I backup everything, don't sync, but make complete new backups nearly daily. At the end of a month I delete so

Re: udev problem ?

2013-12-10 Thread Erwan David
Le 10/12/2013 20:25, Brad Rogers a écrit : > echo 2000 > /sys/module/block/parameters/events_dfl_poll_msecs Thanks it works. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ? sorry for not responding sooner

2013-12-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20131209_181204, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 04:14:19PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > > On 20131209_134124, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > I don't know if xfce has any impact on the > > > execution of ~/.profile at login. Have you tried to run your scripts > > > or looking at the ou

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Brian
On Tue 10 Dec 2013 at 11:18:17 -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: > On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:15:26 AM John Hasler wrote: > > Gian Uberto Lauri writes: > > > Some of your argument seems to suggest that the Debian installer should > > > not offer the option of leaving the root password blank > >

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Brian
On Tue 10 Dec 2013 at 18:23:21 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > y...@marupa.net writes: > > > Not only that, but now whoever seeks to compromise your account has the > added > > challenge of figuring out just what, exactly, the name of the > > account is. > > Usually attackers first try to

Re: udev problem ?

2013-12-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:25:27 +0100 Erwan David wrote: Hello Erwan, Your problem has been discussed on this list recently. Search for "CD drive not showing up anymore", if you want to read it. Credit for the following info is due to them, not me. >So where could be the problem ? It seems to b

Re: Some objections (was Re: Package Request)

2013-12-10 Thread Neal Murphy
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 06:29:47 AM Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Chris Bannister writes: > > On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 10:14:24PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > Commands are usually bound to keys on a mnemonic basis (problem: > > > mnemonic but in English only), with many command operat

Re: Some objections (was Re: Package Request)

2013-12-10 Thread Neal Murphy
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 06:24:28 AM Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 10:14:24PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > Commands are usually bound to keys on a mnemonic basis (problem: > > mnemonic but in English only), with many command operating on > > character, word or paragra

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ? [solved]

2013-12-10 Thread Paul E Condon
There are different ways to get the job done. Conclusion there is not a single correct way to deal with this issue. But the main point is that Debian installer does not automatically take care of this. I'm happy with this new knowledge, especially with Andrei's information about the lack on intere

Re: udev problem ?

2013-12-10 Thread Erwan David
Le 10/12/2013 19:25, Erwan David a écrit : > I am use jessie with KDE. > > When I plug my phone I see in /var/log/syslog 2 drives appearing (sdc > and sdd one for the phone, one for the flashcard inside). > They appear as soon as I plug, before I activate the USB storage on the > phone. > > When I

Re: Growing number of packages not being upgraded

2013-12-10 Thread Frank McCormick
On 10/12/13 11:29 AM, Reco wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:22:37 -0500 Frank McCormick wrote: On 10/12/13 11:10 AM, Reco wrote: Well that solves most of the problem...but 2 are still being held root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependenc

udev problem ?

2013-12-10 Thread Erwan David
I am use jessie with KDE. When I plug my phone I see in /var/log/syslog 2 drives appearing (sdc and sdd one for the phone, one for the flashcard inside). They appear as soon as I plug, before I activate the USB storage on the phone. When I activate the USB mass storage, nothing happens, /dev/sdc1

Re: Re: Installing TrueType Fonts (TTF)

2013-12-10 Thread Muntasim-Ul-Haque
To Patrik: I have the fonts. I was just looking for a way to install them easily like I used to do in GNOME. Thanks by the way. To Siard: Thanks. I think I would go with /usr/local/share/fonts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tr

Re: nautilus -> spacefm

2013-12-10 Thread Dave Woyciesjes
On 12/10/2013 12:38 PM, Tixy wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 16:25 +, Sharon Kimble wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:03:33 + Sharon Kimble wrote: I'm trying to move over to spacefm from nautilus because it automounts my usb drives and kindle, but I've hit a snag. I occasionally need to moun

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Iain M Conochie
On 10/12/13 16:56, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Physical security is indeed an issue. When attackers can put their greedy hands on a computer there is nothing to stop them :) Encrypt your hard disk. Choose a *very* good password. That will slow them down, if not halt them. But it depends on *who*

Re: Growing number of packages not being upgraded

2013-12-10 Thread Jack Malmostoso
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:30:01 +0100 Frank McCormick wrote: > The following packages have been kept back: >libmateweather-common libmatewnck-common MATE is slowly transitioning from the MATE repository to Debian. Give it a few days and they will all be "upgraded". I think it's just about versi

Re: Installing TrueType Fonts (TTF)

2013-12-10 Thread Siard
Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: > TrueType Fonts (TTF) would open in GNOME with a dialog box, and it > was just one-click away. But here in XFCE, I see nothing that can > open the TTFs. To begin with, many fonts can be found in the repositories. But if you bring your own fonts, then you can still install

Re: x fonts : /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf being re-added automatically on sid upgrade

2013-12-10 Thread Linux-Fan
On 12/10/2013 08:54 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Due to my recent sid upgrade, the following symlink > /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf > has been re-added, when I wanted it removed (I had deleted it). > > The problem: now my xterms have HUGE fonts, and are not supporting > bitmap fonts (like

Re: Debianly Correct place to add ~/bin to $PATH ?

2013-12-10 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 12:15 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > I've just done a fresh netinst of Wheezy and want to proceed with my > personal configuring in a way that is not fighting with the Debian > view of how things should be done. I've used Debian since Potato, I > think, but have always hacked t

Re: Ports

2013-12-10 Thread André Nunes Batista
On Sat, 2013-11-30 at 21:47 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:34:36AM -0800, Laura F wrote: > > Hi, > > I want to install Debian, but am unsure if it will be supported on my > > laptop. It wasn't specifically mentioned in the list of ports, but I'm not > > sure if a general s

Re: nautilus -> spacefm

2013-12-10 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 16:25 +, Sharon Kimble wrote: > On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:03:33 + > Sharon Kimble wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to move over to spacefm from nautilus because it automounts > > my usb drives and kindle, but I've hit a snag. I occasionally need to > > mount a partition via

Re: startx - X : no permissions to start x session (or some such) when booting with systemd

2013-12-10 Thread thunderstar
Am Dienstag, 10. Dezember 2013, 19:24:14 schrieb Zenaan Harkness: > On 12/10/13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > After my recent sid upgrade, when I test boot with systemd, startx > > ends with an error saying something (I think it is X) is lacking > > permissions. > > Just rebooted (to test other cha

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Nate Bargmann writes: > * On 2013 10 Dec 11:01 -0600, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > Nate Bargmann writes: > > > I did a Wheezy install on Sunday and, yes, leaving the root password > > > fields empty in the installer results in the first user account being in > > > the sudo group. > > > >

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
y...@marupa.net writes: > Not only that, but now whoever seeks to compromise your account has the > added > challenge of figuring out just what, exactly, the name of the > account is. Usually attackers first try to enter -possibly using a faulty service-, then to exploit some vulnerability.

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
John Hasler writes: > It *disables* the root account. Thus there is only one "vulnerable" > account. Phew :) -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamico

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2013 10 Dec 11:01 -0600, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Nate Bargmann writes: > > I did a Wheezy install on Sunday and, yes, leaving the root password > > fields empty in the installer results in the first user account being in > > the sudo group. > > Uh, really does it leave root account pass

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread John Hasler
Gian Uberto Lauri writes: > Uh, really does it leave root account password-less? Or disables > logging in as root ? It disables the root account. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread yaro
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:15:26 AM John Hasler wrote: > Gian Uberto Lauri writes: > > Some of your argument seems to suggest that the Debian installer should > > not offer the option of leaving the root password blank > > Gian Uberto Lauri > > > IT DOES? AAARGH! > > It *disables*

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread John Hasler
Gian Uberto Lauri writes: > Some of your argument seems to suggest that the Debian installer should > not offer the option of leaving the root password blank Gian Uberto Lauri > IT DOES? AAARGH! It *disables* the root account. Thus there is only one "vulnerable" account. -- John Hasler

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Nate Bargmann writes: > I did a Wheezy install on Sunday and, yes, leaving the root password > fields empty in the installer results in the first user account being in > the sudo group. Uh, really does it leave root account password-less? Or disables logging in as root ? -- /\ ___

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Ralf Mardorf writes: > bad luck, but not for me. If somebody would > break my Linux, I would restore it from a backup. I would not stay on this "not my problem" stance[*], and I would not trust backups as an absolute safety. > I don't understand why sudo should be less save. Because its stand

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2013 10 Dec 10:12 -0600, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Nate Bargmann writes: > > * On 2013 10 Dec 08:32 -0600, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > > > If your complaint is simply that Debian even allows the option of a > > > > single user account with sudo enabled rather than forcing separat

Re: Some objections (was Re: Package Request)

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Ralf Mardorf writes: > On Di, 2013-12-10 at 17:08 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > But is damn slow > > A GUI editor used with mouse is slow? Neither a GUI is slow, nor usage > of a good mouse. Even using a trackball (fixed position device) is much slower than keyboard, and slower and slo

Re: Growing number of packages not being upgraded

2013-12-10 Thread Frank Miles
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:20:01 +0100, Frank McCormick wrote: > Each upgrade it seems there are a growing number of packages > being held back by apt-get. > It started off as a few packages a few weeks ago and now is > 23: > > > Calculating upgrade... Done > The following packages have been kept ba

Re: Growing number of packages not being upgraded

2013-12-10 Thread Reco
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:22:37 -0500 Frank McCormick wrote: > On 10/12/13 11:10 AM, Reco wrote: > > Well that solves most of the problem...but 2 are still > being held > > root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get dist-upgrade > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading stat

Re: Growing number of packages not being upgraded

2013-12-10 Thread Frank McCormick
On 10/12/13 11:10 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:12:31 -0500 Frank McCormick wrote: How can I find out what is holding these packages ? Have you tried to run 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? Reco Well that solves most of the problem...but 2 are still being held root@frank-debian:

Re: Some objections (was Re: Package Request)

2013-12-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Di, 2013-12-10 at 17:08 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > But is damn slow A GUI editor used with mouse is slow? Neither a GUI is slow, nor usage of a good mouse. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@li

Re: Growing number of packages not being upgraded

2013-12-10 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:12:31 -0500 Frank McCormick wrote: > How can I find out what is holding these packages ? Have you tried to run 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Nate Bargmann writes: > * On 2013 10 Dec 08:32 -0600, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > If your complaint is simply that Debian even allows the option of a > > > single user account with sudo enabled rather than forcing separate root > > > and user accounts, then even I would resist the re

Re: Some objections (was Re: Package Request)

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Ralf Mardorf writes: > On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 04:36 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > But that's exactly > the point, wasting brain capacity with tons of non-intuitive short > cuts Again: they may be non intuitive for non English speakers (else they are mnemonic) and the bit keys usually have th

Re: Some objections (was Re: Package Request)

2013-12-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 04:36 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > Try typing with one hand. No big deal for a guitarist. It's similar to a index finger barré followed by something similar to a C like non-barré. But that's exactly the point, wasting brain capacity with tons of non-intuitive short cuts a

Re: Installing TrueType Fonts (TTF)

2013-12-10 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: > Hi, > I was a GNOME user and recently I switched to XFCE in Debian to see how > things works here after reading that XFCE would be the default DE in the > upcoming Debian Jessie. BTW, TrueType Fonts (TTF) would open in GNOME with a > dial

Re: Some objections (was Re: Package Request)

2013-12-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:29:47PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Chris Bannister writes: > > Exactly! This makes it impossible to drink a cup/mug of coffee whilst > > using the keyboard. Whereas with vim you can drink coffee *and* enjoy a > > coffee at the same time. Aaaarrrgggh! > Not th

Re: Shutting down lessens computer life............

2013-12-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 07:31:28PM -0500, Brad Alexander wrote: > I remember reading a report in the mid-90s stating that one of the biggest > life-shortening properties of powering on and off was heating and cooling > of the hard drive bearings. Now, that said, I do not know how much change > has

Re: libdrm-nouveau2/libdrm-radeon1 installed as requirement to libgl1-mesa-dri

2013-12-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 01:54 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 08:06:42PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > Sometimes there are insane hard dependencies, but what's bad with those ^^^ > > dependencies? Take

Growing number of packages not being upgraded

2013-12-10 Thread Frank McCormick
Each upgrade it seems there are a growing number of packages being held back by apt-get. It started off as a few packages a few weeks ago and now is 23: Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages have been kept back: cups-filters gir1.2-pango-1.0 libcdr-0.0-0 libdee-1.0-4 libgegl-0.2-0

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2013 10 Dec 08:32 -0600, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > If your complaint is simply that Debian even allows the option of a > > single user account with sudo enabled rather than forcing separate root > > and user accounts, then even I would resist the removal of the option. > > > > Forgi

Re: Shutting down lessens computer life............

2013-12-10 Thread Brad Alexander
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: > I don't see well-used laptops lasting longer than 5 years. Something's > bound to go wrong. > I still have an old PII Toshiba that still works. Now I haven't booted it up in a couple of years, but everything was still functional.

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Nate Bargmann writes: > * On 2013 10 Dec 05:10 -0600, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Have you filed a wishlist bug report against the sudo package explaining > your concerns about the defaults and suggesting better defaults? It's > not likely that the sudo package maintainer is reading this list

about C program CPP macro

2013-12-10 Thread Nicol TAO
Hello, all: I have a program problem, ( may it not have close releationship with Debian), it described like this: I want to using #define / #undef, and want to put them in a single macro, some thing like: #define DECALRE_TYPE(type) \ { #undef __curr_type; #define _curr_type type; } as we know,

Installing TrueType Fonts (TTF)

2013-12-10 Thread Muntasim-Ul-Haque
Hi, I was a GNOME user and recently I switched to XFCE in Debian to see how things works here after reading that XFCE would be the default DE in the upcoming Debian Jessie. BTW, TrueType Fonts (TTF) would open in GNOME with a dialog box, and it was just one-click away. But here in XFCE, I see

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2013 10 Dec 05:10 -0600, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > That's the point. Current sudo default configuration is "bad". That > 4does not means that the whole sudo program is bad (except that for > Italian speakers it smells(*) :)). Does not add security but adds > potential harms. Have you filed a

Re: libdrm-nouveau2/libdrm-radeon1 installed as requirement to libgl1-mesa-dri

2013-12-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 08:06:42PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Sometimes there are insane hard dependencies, but what's bad with those > dependencies? Take a look at the modules compiled into the default > kernel, most modules are unneeded on your machine ;). Huh? That is not insane at all! It

Re: libdrm-nouveau2/libdrm-radeon1 installed as requirement to libgl1-mesa-dri

2013-12-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 06:06:09PM +0200, Ivan Kovnatsky wrote: > When trying to remove either libdrm-nouveau2 or libdrm-radeon1 I obviously get > a message that this required packages. Thing is I really do not need them. > What options do I have to get rid of them like normally using apt/aptitude

Re: (SOLVED) Re: gdm3 issue

2013-12-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 17:31 +0530, Kailash Kalyani wrote: > The solution that worked for me was to run check the > debian boot partition with gparted (e2fsck -cfkp). While I did not note > any addition bad sectors, etc. the issue seems to have been resolved. I didn't think of it, but (somebody e

(SOLVED) Re: gdm3 issue

2013-12-10 Thread Kailash Kalyani
On Tuesday 10 December 2013 07:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 02:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 19:08 +, Tom H wrote: The Ubuntu-created grub.cfg cannot be blamed for a GDM problem. If GDM is being launched, grub's job has been done many seconds ago.

Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 12:08 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Or not, at least until someone else wants your cpu-power, and in that > case you could find yourself left with no other option that "cutting > the cables" and reinstall. It's not CPU power I would notice or that would cause issues. Many

Re: Some objections (was Re: Package Request)

2013-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Chris Bannister writes: > On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 10:14:24PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > Commands are usually bound to keys on a mnemonic basis (problem: > > mnemonic but in English only), with many command operating on > > character, word or paragraph according to the use of Control, M

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