Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread Dom
On 26/11/12 22:18, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 26 nov 12, 21:47:36, Amit wrote: Yes the above would work in most cases but in the case I am dealing with, the filesystem is not mounted yet. For example, I plug in a USB drive. Before it is mounted, there is a /dev/sd[x] node. I can open this no

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-26 Thread Doug
On 11/26/2012 11:51 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: The problem with proprietary drivers is of course that they're proprietary, but on top of that, they aren't as hassle-free to install and update. Stefan 1. Proprietary drivers are generally written by the folks who know the product the b

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 09:07:08AM -0500, Carl Fink wrote: > > > Yury Sakarinen wrote: > > > > > > >Carl Fink писал 2012-11-26 16:03: > >>I am not a developer, the target market. > > > >ahhaha, wrong list to ask questions.. > > Actually this is "Debian User". There is debian-mobile. -- "If

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread Kushal Kumaran
Amit writes: > Andrei POPESCU gmail.com> writes: > >> >> On Lu, 26 nov 12, 22:33:51, Amit wrote: >> > >> > Yes, I basically want to avoid even the root user (or process with root >> > privileges) to able to access this. So the kernel has to be replaced in >> > order to disable the "write prote

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
The problem with proprietary drivers is of course that they're proprietary, but on top of that, they aren't as hassle-free to install and update. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.

Re: Printer brand recommendations

2012-11-26 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Monday 26 November 2012, debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org was heard to say: > Re: Printer brand recommendations Dear Debian User, The problem was that the default printer driver for the HP PSC2210 is not the HPLIP driver at all. Wh

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Take a look what mails are from me and what mails are from others and > take care about the fact that I was silent, I only replied when it > became to insane. > > Discredit, defamation, lies! > > In the archive it's easy to see what mails, what words are from me

Re: How to deal the broken links.

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:13:20AM +0800, lina wrote: > Hi, > > /usr/lib# find -L -type l > ./libmd_mpi_d.mpich.so > ./libgmx_mpi.mpich.so > > Is it safe to remove them all? I wouldn't mess around in those directories unless you know what you are doing. What seems to be the problem, you might

Yet another Hijack (was ... Re: OpenDkim on Debian which was stolen from (How to deal the broken links.))

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:45:24AM -0500, Fred White wrote: > I need to ask this question because I consider myself still fresh in > the learning process of Debian-Linux and do not want to break my > server. Well first of all, it is bad manners to hijack threads. You may not have done it intention

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 15:07 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:00:05PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > > > It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > > > to exterminate the Jews, to indicat

Re: Error upgrading debian installation from stable to testing : malformed Release file?

2012-11-26 Thread Wayne Topa
On 11/26/2012 09:08 PM, Tim Long wrote: Hi all, I have an installation of debian stable I am trying to upgrade to testing. I have updated sources.list to testing/wheezy but when I do apt-get upgrade I get the following error: = W: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/tes

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Beco
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Russell L. Harris wrote: > > Forgive me for painting with too broad a brush. I did not mean to > target you specifically, or even to include you in the group to which > I referred. Fair enough. >> It's not helpful how often we get that: "Move to another distro".

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:58:08PM +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote: > > This is, after all, a specialised list, not a comedy central. You are joking, aren't you? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:00:05PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > > It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > > to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. > > I made a joke with the

Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 18:02 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > > > > > > On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > > >>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > > >>> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it wa

Error upgrading debian installation from stable to testing : malformed Release file?

2012-11-26 Thread Tim Long
Hi all, I have an installation of debian stable I am trying to upgrade to testing. I have updated sources.list to testing/wheezy but when I do apt-get upgrade I get the following error: = W: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/testing/Release Unable to find expected entr

Re: Messed up root

2012-11-26 Thread green
Gary Roach wrote at 2012-11-26 18:43 -0600: > I've done the unthinkable. I accidentally changed root to qroot in > my /etc/passwd file and then proceeded to log out of root. All of > the files in /etc were changed to owner qroot and the root password > doesn't work any more. I have a new Knoppix CD

Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Robert Holtzman
> > > > On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > >>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > >>> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was > >>> misunderstood. > > > Arrogant Bastard! > >

Messed up root

2012-11-26 Thread Gary Roach
I've done the unthinkable. I accidentally changed root to qroot in my /etc/passwd file and then proceeded to log out of root. All of the files in /etc were changed to owner qroot and the root password doesn't work any more. I have a new Knoppix CD and a new Debian network install CD. Can I use

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Beco [121126 21:36]: > In any case, I didn't mean: > >> "I must have the very latest, and I must have it now" Forgive me for painting with too broad a brush. I did not mean to target you specifically, or even to include you in the group to which I referred. > It's not helpful how often we

Re: Printer brand recommendations

2012-11-26 Thread Gary Roach
On 11/26/2012 07:10 AM, Curt Howland wrote: Hi. I have a HP inkjet printer, PSC2100 from 2003, which still works fine but something in Debian has changed. It used to print graphics and photographs very well. But a year or so ago graphics stopped being "nice" and started being grainy and speckled

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > machine) to the FreeBSD installer. I don't know if I'll like it, it's > even not a Linux distro, however, the shebang does cover the religion > less dogmatic. Whoah! Careful there ... are you telling me I _should_ be less dogmatic?!!@#:) I'm sure there's also s

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread Amit
Andrei POPESCU gmail.com> writes: > > On Lu, 26 nov 12, 22:33:51, Amit wrote: > > > > Yes, I basically want to avoid even the root user (or process with root > > privileges) to able to access this. So the kernel has to be replaced in > > order to disable the "write protect" on that USB port. >

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 26 nov 12, 22:33:51, Amit wrote: > > Yes, I basically want to avoid even the root user (or process with root > privileges) to able to access this. So the kernel has to be replaced in > order to disable the "write protect" on that USB port. > > It is more of a guarantee that there can be no

Recommended wireless cards for laptops.

2012-11-26 Thread Weaver
Hello, I am doing up an old NX6120 HP laptop for one of the local charitable medical people. Because she's mobile almost all of the time, she'll need wireless facility. I've done a search through the lists and google, etc., see reference to MadWifi and other resources, but thought I'd ask the list

Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Brad Alexander
Can we move this type of conversation somewhere else? And can we concentrate on answering Debian questions instead of list etiquette (e.g. No HTML!, No top posting!, No jokes!)? On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:33 PM, wrote: >> Forwarded Message >> From: Tony van der Hoff >> To: Ralf

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 23:28 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I don't use any statement of faith, but If I ever should do, I would > prefer something like: > > http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=shebang+t-shirt&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1152&bih=729&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I don't use any statement of faith, but If I ever should do, I would prefer something like: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=shebang+t-shirt&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1152&bih=729&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=juuzUK-yHorRsga0k4DoBA I'm using what ever dis

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread Amit
Andrei POPESCU gmail.com> writes: > > On Lu, 26 nov 12, 21:47:36, Amit wrote: > > > > Yes the above would work in most cases but in the case I am dealing > > with, the filesystem is not mounted yet. For example, I plug in a USB > > drive. Before it is mounted, there is a /dev/sd[x] node. I can

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 26 nov 12, 21:47:36, Amit wrote: > > Yes the above would work in most cases but in the case I am dealing > with, the filesystem is not mounted yet. For example, I plug in a USB > drive. Before it is mounted, there is a /dev/sd[x] node. I can open > this node and write anything I want, ther

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread berenger . morel
PS. The link from the (now old) email looks broke. But the item is here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminium-Linux-Debian-Case-Badge-Sticker-/281029773571?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item416eae0903 Thanks a lot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debia

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread berenger . morel
Yes the above would work in most cases but in the case I am dealing with, the filesystem is not mounted yet. For example, I plug in a USB drive. Before it is mounted, there is a /dev/sd[x] node. I can open this node and write anything I want, thereby corrupting the filesystem on that device. T

Re: OpenDkim on Debian

2012-11-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 26 nov 12, 12:06:54, Fred White wrote: > I wonder if this can be explained to me. > > I have download this file opendkim_2.6.8-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb from Packages / squeeze-backports > / opendkim >

Re: OpenDkim on Debian

2012-11-26 Thread Wayne Topa
On 11/26/2012 12:06 PM, Fred White wrote: I wonder if this can be explained to me. I have download this file opendkim_2.6.8-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb from http://packages.debian.org/> / squeeze-backports / opendkim

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Beco
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM, wrote: >> And, most important than all: >> I won't move to (K)ubuntu because I already bought Debian aluminium >> adhesive stickers to put on my notebook. So thanks for the suggestion, >> but I didn't liked it. >> :) > > > btw, I would like to know where you bough

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread Amit
neutralite.org> writes: > > If a partition is mounted as read-only, I think no software will be > able to write on it, because the kernel is responsible of what will > happen. Low level open&close functions just call kernel's API, so if the > kernel refuse writings, I can not see a solution t

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread berenger . morel
Lets do right, not "right now". I'm in no way "demanding" a new release sooner. If the answer to my question of "estimate" is May, so be it. Its an estimate, isn't it? Would it hurt Debian if we postpone Wheezy to April or May? I don't think so. But to September 2014, I think we might have a probl

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread Tom Furie
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 09:28:19PM +, Amit wrote: > > Thanks for the reply. I was looking for block level write protect. That > is, nobody can write a simple C program and use the open call and write > garbage to the device. Tweak the udev rules to remove write permissions on the USB bus? Ch

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.11.2012 22:28, Amit a écrit : neutralite.org> writes: You can enable read-only on partitions by using the "ro" flag in fstab. By example: # proc/proc procdefaults0 0 #Entry for /dev/sda6 : UUID=85bb1632-546f-460f-8cc7-5b15fd2c046b /

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Beco
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM, green wrote: > Russell L. Harris wrote at 2012-11-26 14:19 -0600: >> The best solution for the "I must have the very latest, and I must have >> it now" crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu. You can have it right, or >> you can have it now, but seldom can you have it

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread Amit
neutralite.org> writes: > > You can enable read-only on partitions by using the "ro" flag in fstab. > > By example: > # > > proc /proc procdefaults0 0 > #Entry for /dev/sda6 : > UUID=85bb1632-546f-460f-8cc7-5b15fd2c046b / ext4 > noatime,error

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread latinfo
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > I anyway received mail from the admin. Is it possible that we read it? It could be convenient to know what is happening with Debian's view point. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread green
Russell L. Harris wrote at 2012-11-26 14:19 -0600: > The best solution for the "I must have the very latest, and I must have > it now" crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu. You can have it right, or > you can have it now, but seldom can you have it "right now". > > After the novelty of Ubuntu wears

Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread latinfo
> Forwarded Message > From: Tony van der Hoff > To: Ralf Mardorf > Subject: Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: > Mail client, threads, etc... > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:24:41 + > > On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:2

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Worrier Poet [121126 17:24]: > > To each his own. I like the releases to work reasonably well -- whenever > they come out. I appreciate that the Debian release teams have continued > to emphasize quality over release scheduling. The best solution for the "I must have the very latest, and I mus

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread berenger . morel
You can enable read-only on partitions by using the "ro" flag in fstab. By example: # proc/proc procdefaults0 0 #Entry for /dev/sda6 : UUID=85bb1632-546f-460f-8cc7-5b15fd2c046b / ext4 noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 Here, / will

Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-26 Thread Amit
Hello, I would like to block write access by default to all drives plugged in to my USB port (a specific USB port). This capability would probably be at the kernel level to be effective. Doing research on LWN.net, I noticed the following sentence by Corbet: (http://lwn.net/Articles/428533/): En

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Carl Fink wrote: > I don't mean Android, a proprietary OS build on the Linux kernel just as > MacOS is built on the BSD kernel. > > Are there any phones or tablets people are aware of that use actual, FOSS, > Linux as their OS? I still use the Nokia N900 with Maem

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Beco
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Veljko wrote: > [cut] And people should forgive > each other, especially when they apologize. So shall we forgive each > others and just move on? For crying out loud... Just drop it... > > > Veljko Seconded! There is no such thing as universal joke. We always wi

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Brian
On Mon 26 Nov 2012 at 16:52:19 +, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > > IOW, is there a rush? > > Perhaps not a "rush" but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release > schedule. This is probably not as definite as everyone would like

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Thierry Chatelet
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Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Worrier Poet
On 11/26/2012 11:52 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: >> IOW, is there a rush? > > Perhaps not a "rush" but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release > schedule. > To each his own. I like the releases to work reasonably well -- whenev

Re: OpenDkim on Debian

2012-11-26 Thread Fred White
I wonder if this can be explained to me. I have download this file opendkim_2.6.8-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb from Packages / squeeze-backports / opendkim / i386 <

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread berenger . morel
My point is clear now, I think jokes here is a bad idea because of the problems they can give, but I understand if others disagrees. One can always use a good laugh, and I am always searching for new jokes :-) (I just think they will give more grief than laughs here) - Titanus Even jokes on

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:30 +, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:11:41PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > It would be nice, if there would be the manpower to enable Linux installs on > > iThingies. > > I've seen a proof-of-concept Linux running on (I think) a first gen > iPad, but

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Titanus Eramius
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:45:52 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > > > > > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews > > > etc., it becomes bad if

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-26 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > IOW, is there a rush? Perhaps not a "rush" but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release schedule. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:11:41PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > It would be nice, if there would be the manpower to enable Linux installs on > iThingies. I've seen a proof-of-concept Linux running on (I think) a first gen iPad, but I don't think it's got beyond the "cool this is possible" stage.

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread der.hans
Am 26. Nov, 2012 schwätzte Carl Fink so: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:14:30AM -0700, der.hans wrote: Yeah, phones have wandered into the wasteland for now :(. What about the Nexus phones that are Google's approved development line and have official CyanogenMod support? I have a grudge against

Re: OpenDkim on Debian

2012-11-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 26 November 2012 15:45:24 Fred White wrote: > I want to upgrade my opendkim from 2.0.1 to the latest opendkim version > 2.8.2 from wheezy because I am not too comfortable upgrading from > squeeze-backpots which according to my tech people that my system could > become unsupportable. Pers

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > > > > > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews > > > etc., it becomes bad if pe

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews > > etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got > > a bad intention or he's

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews > > etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got > > a bad intention or he's

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Veljko
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 03:28:04PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews etc., > it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. I just couldn't agree more. I refuse to accept that people on this list are malicious. People are helping oth

Re: Printer brand recommendations

2012-11-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 26 November 2012 15:10:59 Curt Howland wrote: > Epsom? Cannon? What brand do people use that works well with xsane and > CUPS? I use Samsung. I don't make heavy demands on it but have been pleased with what I have used it to print. I have an ML1510, still going strong, but have set u

Re: Printer brand recommendations

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 10:10 -0500, Curt Howland wrote: > Hi. I have a HP inkjet printer, PSC2100 from 2003, which still works > fine but something in Debian has changed. > > It used to print graphics and photographs very well. But a year or so > ago graphics stopped being "nice" and started being

OpenDkim on Debian

2012-11-26 Thread Fred White
I need to ask this question because I consider myself still fresh in the learning process of Debian-Linux and do not want to break my server. I want to upgrade my opendkim from 2.0.1 to the latest opendkim version 2.8.2 from wheezy because I am not too comfortable upgrading from squeeze-backpo

Re: about xfce and window managers

2012-11-26 Thread John L. Cunningham
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 07:16:09PM +0200, Klearchos-Angelos Gkountras wrote: > I am currently using debian sid with xfce 4.8 . > I want to make tiling the windows like awesome or kinda like that . > Have you thought about using Xmonad as the wm? http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xm

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Titanus Eramius
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews > etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got > a bad intention or he's serious sick and not aware about the > difference of the order to kill peo

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:45 +, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:18 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hello Ralf, > > >This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really > >were killed by Nazis. > > And there we have it; You don't find this funny. Many people

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:45 +, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:18 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hello Ralf, > > >This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really > >were killed by Nazis. > > And there we have it; You don't find this funny. Many people

Printer brand recommendations

2012-11-26 Thread Curt Howland
Hi. I have a HP inkjet printer, PSC2100 from 2003, which still works fine but something in Debian has changed. It used to print graphics and photographs very well. But a year or so ago graphics stopped being "nice" and started being grainy and speckled, to the point where the names of roads can't

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 15:44 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 15:31 +0100, darkestkhan wrote: Tony wrote, not darkestkhan (not my mistake, the DE and MUA are broken), pardon > > >> >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the > > >> >> order > > >> >> t

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 15:31 +0100, darkestkhan wrote: > >> >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > >> >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was > >> >> misunderstood. On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:36 +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Your joke was

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-26 Thread David Guntner
Jochen Spieker grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > For further analysis, you can follow Dovecot's instructions. They even > have a separate page for TB: > > http://wiki.dovecot.org/Debugging/Thunderbird > > You can also try to upgrade to the backport[1] of Dovecot 2.1. Beware > that this upgrade i

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:18 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hello Ralf, >This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really >were killed by Nazis. And there we have it; You don't find this funny. Many people didn't find your comment about women funny. You lose. Get over it. Mo

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:44 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > Le 26.11.2012 14:34, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : > > On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > >>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the > >>>

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread darkestkhan
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 00:34 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff >> >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order >> >> to ext

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Carl Fink wrote: > Yury Sakarinen wrote: >> Carl Fink писал 2012-11-26 16:03: >>> >>> I am not a developer, the target market. >> >> ahhaha, wrong list to ask questions.. > > Actually this is "Debian User". So it's the wrong list since Debian doesn't publish a p

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 00:34 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunde

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Carl Fink
Yury Sakarinen wrote: > > >Carl Fink писал 2012-11-26 16:03: >>I am not a developer, the target market. > >ahhaha, wrong list to ask questions.. Actually this is "Debian User". -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-r

What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
It's not marked as [off-list], but by accident send off-list. I've got enough from this list. Forwarded Message From: Tony van der Hoff To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc... Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.11.2012 14:34, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. I made a j

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. > > I made a joke with the contend > > "Men tend to make m

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Yury Sakarinen
Carl Fink писал 2012-11-26 16:03: Openmoko (Freerunner GTA02 & GTA04), Nanonote. Touch book (not actually). Obsolete, supported by no carrier, not actually intended for consumer use. I am not a developer, the target market. ahhaha, wrong list to ask questions.. Also u can install linu

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. I made a joke with the contend "Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
It would be nice, if there would be the manpower to enable Linux installs on iThingies. I won an iPad2 a long time ago and the hardware is amazing. As far as I know there's less hardware or no hardware that can compare with Apple hardware for tablet PCs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-r

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 26/11/12 11:45, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 26.11.2012 01:56, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : >> On 11/26/12, Neal Murphy wrote: >>> On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:54:33 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: ... My humour is less good than Chaplin's ... >>> >>> OK. Pointed, direct humor

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Carl Fink
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:14:30AM -0700, der.hans wrote: > Yeah, phones have wandered into the wasteland for now :(. What about the > Nexus phones that are Google's approved development line and have official > CyanogenMod support? I have a grudge against Google. See, I own a Motorola Photon 4G.

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread Carl Fink
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 09:27:09AM +0400, Yury Sakarinen wrote: > HI, Carl. > > Openmoko (Freerunner GTA02 & GTA04), Nanonote. Touch book (not > actually). Obsolete, supported by no carrier, not actually intended for consumer use. I am not a developer, the target market. > http://alwaysinnovatin

Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:40 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > Le 25.11.2012 00:14, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : > > On Jo, 22 nov 12, 22:30:54, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > >> > >> And, seriously, windows users do that by default and their computers > >> works not so bad. > > >

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.11.2012 01:56, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : On 11/26/12, Neal Murphy wrote: On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:54:33 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: ... My humour is less good than Chaplin's ... OK. Pointed, direct humor back at you. What was the shortest book ever published? "One Thousand Year

Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.11.2012 00:14, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : On Jo, 22 nov 12, 22:30:54, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: And, seriously, windows users do that by default and their computers works not so bad. That's a joke, right? Kind regards, Andrei Yes and no :) This could become a troll topic,

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-26 Thread der.hans
Am 25. Nov, 2012 schwätzte Carl Fink so: moin moin, On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:36:22AM -0700, der.hans wrote: Is it proprietary? Isn't Cyanogenmod an android rebuild because android is FOSS? There are certainly some issue regarding release time and what some of the phone manufacturers have be