Compiling megaraid_sas driver on Debian 6.0 squeeze

2012-08-07 Thread ML mail
Hello, I just bought a new LSI MegaRAID SAS 9266-4i RAID card and noticed that Debian 6.0 squeeze does not recognize this RAID card as it is pretty new. So no problem I thought I would simply download the source driver directly from LSI (megaraid_sas-v00.00.06.18-src.tgz) and compile the modul

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 23:09 -0400, Celejar wrote: > I do think we may have a language barrier here. Indeed, my fault, since my English is broken. If you and I would try to detect a consensus, we could hire a translator, but cooperation between countries seems to be impossible. If we won't have pat

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:52:13 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: > > Thus you have a monopoly on the reproduction of copies of your work. > > Celajar writes: > > Okay, but this is veering close to sophistry; I can also say that any > > private ownership of property is monopolistic, since it give

Re: [OT] Intellectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread John Hasler
Ralf writes: > If you're on work and you've got the idea how to improve something > regarding to your job, than you're the copyright holder (it's your > intelectual property), but you're not the owner. Are you talking about copyright or patent? USA law treats the two quite differently. -- John H

Re: [OT] Intellectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 19:47 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Ralf writes: > > I don't like money! I prefer exchange and altruism. Yes, bankers have > > nothing to offer, they should die!!! > > "Kill the rich and take their property" has been the essence of populism > for millennia. Everybody ends up p

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Thus you have a monopoly on the reproduction of copies of your work. Celajar writes: > Okay, but this is veering close to sophistry; I can also say that any > private ownership of property is monopolistic, since it gives the > owner a monopoly on the use of some particular piece of prop

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:03:29 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > You are perfectly free to create your own work and compete with me for > > the same audiences and dollars; the only thing you can't do is copy > > _my_ work. > > Thus you have a monopoly on the reproduction of copies of

Re: [OT] Intellectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 19:47 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > I don't think you understand what money is. I'm able to handle money to survive very good, but you're right, I don't understand, let's call it the "black box" of the way money is handled international. Perhaps, I hope that I don't understand

Re: [OT] Intellectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread John Hasler
Ralf writes: > I don't like money! I prefer exchange and altruism. Yes, bankers have > nothing to offer, they should die!!! "Kill the rich and take their property" has been the essence of populism for millennia. Everybody ends up poorer, except the new ruling class. > Dealing with food to make m

Re: [OT] Intellectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread John Hasler
Ralf writes: > Thus the human race is in competition, every single human with each > other?! Competition and cooperation are not mutually exclusive. > Instead of sharing knowledge, we prefer to show who has got the > biggest dick?! Sexual competition is a fundamental, instinctive part of human n

Kernel Oops during/after rsync

2012-08-07 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello, recently, I _sometimes_ encounter a kernel oops during a backup run. This did not occur until a few days ago, furthermore, all the crashes so far (a backup takes place every half hour and I’ve only seen three during the last five days) occurred while I was playing Patrician III with Wine. I

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> > Celejar writes: the only thing you can't do is copy Btw. I'm also against copying, if somebody makes knowledge available for free (as in bear) and other folks copy it, "close the free" knowledge and take money! I don't like money! I prefer exchange and altruism. Yes, bankers have nothing to

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 18:03 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > You are perfectly free to create your own work and compete with me for > > the same audiences and dollars; the only thing you can't do is copy > > _my_ work. > > Thus you have a monopoly on the reproduction of copies of yo

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread John Hasler
Celejar writes: > You are perfectly free to create your own work and compete with me for > the same audiences and dollars; the only thing you can't do is copy > _my_ work. Thus you have a monopoly on the reproduction of copies of your work. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-use

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:45:33 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 07 aug 12, 09:47:11, Celejar wrote: > > > > They do - but the first quote in your message was Yaro's. I guess you > > decided to respond to a quote of mine as cited in his email, instead of > > responding directly to my email. In s

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:43:54 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 07 aug 12, 09:39:54, Celejar wrote: > > > > > to be very important/inovative/etc. actually had a hard time getting > > > published. How many others did not make it? > > > > Not sure what you're saying here - do you mean that the

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:11:07 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: > > If you don't want those to whom you sell copies of your work to make > > additional copies induce them to sign a contract in which they agree > > not to do so. > > Celejar writes: > > > But property rights are treated as funda

Re: Preserve files on .deb uninstall

2012-08-07 Thread Josh Kelley
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 07 aug 12, 11:10:41, Josh Kelley wrote: > > > > * Mark the files as conffiles - Not what I'd want in this case, because > the > > files aren't configuration files and should be automatically upgraded > when > > packages are upgraded, I

Re: BD-RE mount problem

2012-08-07 Thread Gary Dale
On 06/08/12 11:51 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I've been using BD-RE discs for backups on a Debian/Squeeze server for a couple of years now. In the last week or so the backups have been failing. I haven't modified my backup script so I thought about possible hardware issues. - I tried changing the Bl

Re: Preserve files on .deb uninstall

2012-08-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 07 aug 12, 11:10:41, Josh Kelley wrote: > > * Mark the files as conffiles - Not what I'd want in this case, because the > files aren't configuration files and should be automatically upgraded when > packages are upgraded, I just don't want them automatically deleted when > packages are remo

Re: Setting up to do repetitive installs on ONE machine (cf BabelBox)

2012-08-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 06 aug 12, 08:46:14, Richard Owlett wrote: > Are there other routes to my goals I should investigate? FAI? http://fai-project.org Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signatur

Re: [fossil-users] [OT] Who's interested in project management & collaboration tools? And...

2012-08-07 Thread Miles Fidelman
Michal Suchanek wrote: On 6 August 2012 19:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: My personal observation has been that even with a tiny group, an email containing a list of action items very quickly yields a thread of dozens, or hundreds of follow-ups - requests for details, Q&A, status updates, nagging

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 12:24 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Ralf writes: > > The best thing is to be an anarchist! > > Anarchy is impossible. Some jerk will always jump up and crown himself > king. Government is not a necessary evil: it is an inevitable one. The > best we can hope for is to minimiz

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread John Hasler
Andrei writes: > I did not question the legitimacy, but the future-proof-ness of a > business relying on distributing copies. Right: these are orthogonal issues. Whether one views the current copyright regime as legitimate or not, I don't think it has a future. The work of the publishing industry

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 07 aug 12, 09:47:11, Celejar wrote: > > They do - but the first quote in your message was Yaro's. I guess you > decided to respond to a quote of mine as cited in his email, instead of > responding directly to my email. In such a case, I generally delete the > first name in the chain, but I

Re: iptables: Protocol wrong type for socket.

2012-08-07 Thread hvw59601
Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:30:36 -0500, hvw59601 wrote: Camaleón wrote: (...) Obviously I have not configured the kernel correctly because with the Debian kernels there are no errors. But what kernel configuration parameter might be missing/wrong? Can't tell for the exact para

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 07 aug 12, 09:39:54, Celejar wrote: > > > to be very important/inovative/etc. actually had a hard time getting > > published. How many others did not make it? > > Not sure what you're saying here - do you mean that the creators > couldn't publish because there was insufficient perceived i

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread John Hasler
Ralf writes: > The best thing is to be an anarchist! Anarchy is impossible. Some jerk will always jump up and crown himself king. Government is not a necessary evil: it is an inevitable one. The best we can hope for is to minimize it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-r

Re: iptables: Protocol wrong type for socket.

2012-08-07 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:30:36 -0500, hvw59601 wrote: > Camaleón wrote: (...) >>> Obviously I have not configured the kernel correctly because with the >>> Debian kernels there are no errors. >>> >>> But what kernel configuration parameter might be missing/wrong? >> >> Can't tell for the exact pa

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 11:11 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: > > If you don't want those to whom you sell copies of your work to make > > additional copies induce them to sign a contract in which they agree > > not to do so. > > Celejar writes: > > > But property rights are treated as fundame

Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2012 #1981

2012-08-07 Thread crunchbang . b4dave
Ty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:31:07 To: Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: debian-user-digest Digest V2012 #1981 Content-Type: text/plain debian-user-digest Digest

Re: iptables: Protocol wrong type for socket.

2012-08-07 Thread hvw59601
Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:10:03 -0500, hvw59601 wrote: I guess if this is [OT] I will hear about it :-) Nah, it's fine to me :-) Anyway, I installed Firehol on a sid system that runs a kernel that I have configured myself. However, I get lots of errors when Firehol tries to s

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > If you don't want those to whom you sell copies of your work to make > additional copies induce them to sign a contract in which they agree > not to do so. Celejar writes: > But property rights are treated as fundamental, even (especially!) in > libertarian thought. And copies are pro

Re: iptables: Protocol wrong type for socket.

2012-08-07 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:10:03 -0500, hvw59601 wrote: > I guess if this is [OT] I will hear about it :-) Nah, it's fine to me :-) > Anyway, I installed Firehol on a sid system that runs a kernel that I > have configured myself. > > However, I get lots of errors when Firehol tries to start, like:

Re: systemd

2012-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 08:27 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > > > > Too much nonsense to bother responding... Thank you that you let us know this, by responding ;). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: [fossil-users] [OT] Who's interested in project management & collaboration tools? And...

2012-08-07 Thread Richard Hipp
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote: > Fossil is almost but not quite such a wiki. It has built in wiki that > is not versioned, The built-in wiki is versioned. The interface is such that it does not show the version DAG, however, and there are no provisions for doing merges

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:34:19 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > ...I lean libertarian... > > So do I, which is the basis of my criticism of copyright. > > > ...if you don't like the terms of the contract, don't sign it... > > Right. If you don't want those to whom you sell copies

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:23:50 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > Agreed, but I'm not sure how this effects our disagreement about the > > legitimacy of the (current) intellectual regime. If they feel the > > value is less than the amount charged by the creators to recoup their > > cost

Preserve files on .deb uninstall

2012-08-07 Thread Josh Kelley
I have a bit of an odd question. I have several systems that have been depending on manually installed files, and I'd like to add those files to .debs that I maintain so that they'll be properly tracked. However, to avoid breaking these systems by removing these files, I'd like for the files to b

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread John Hasler
Celejar writes: > ...I lean libertarian... So do I, which is the basis of my criticism of copyright. > ...if you don't like the terms of the contract, don't sign it... Right. If you don't want those to whom you sell copies of your work to make additional copies induce them to sign a contract in

Re: Microphone does not work on wheezy laptop.

2012-08-07 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:18:31 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: >> >> head -n 1 /proc/asound/card0/codec* >> > >> > head: cannot open `/proc/asound/card0/codec' for reading: No such >> > file or directory >> > >> > What do I miss here? >> >> I don't know... I just have run the above command from my wheezy

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread John Hasler
Celejar writes: > Agreed, but I'm not sure how this effects our disagreement about the > legitimacy of the (current) intellectual regime. If they feel the > value is less than the amount charged by the creators to recoup their > costs, they're free not to purchase the works. They don't purchase th

Re: [fossil-users] [OT] Who's interested in project management & collaboration tools? And...

2012-08-07 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 6 August 2012 19:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >From the startup side - with like 3 people on the project the >> contribution of some software for project organization is questionable >> at best. The overall attitude is geared towards doing stuff, not >> managing stuff

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:59:08 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 01 aug 12, 20:23:35, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:45:27 +0300 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > On Mi, 01 aug 12, 00:59:29, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > > > On 07/31/2012 01:42 PM, Celejar wrote: > > > > >On Fri, 20 Jul 20

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:45:56 -0400 Brad Alexander wrote: > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Andrei POPESCU > wrote: > > On Jo, 02 aug 12, 09:41:59, Celejar wrote: > >> > >> Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here, as we're just disagreeing > >> over irreducible first principles. I, and the law

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:55:14 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 02 aug 12, 09:41:59, Celejar wrote: > > > > Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here, as we're just disagreeing > > over irreducible first principles. I, and the law, think that it is > > reasonable and fair that the creator of c

Re: Burning an audio CD fails, despite burning a DVD works!

2012-08-07 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 00:10:00 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Go Linux writes: > >> --- On Mon, 8/6/12, Merciadri Luca >> wrote: >> >>> From: Merciadri Luca Subject: >>> Burning an audio CD fails, despite burning a DVD works! To: >>> debian-user@lists.debian.org >>> Date: Monday, August 6, 2012,

Re: Resources for iptables on Debian Xen

2012-08-07 Thread Chris Davies
Bill.M wrote: > Are there any resources available for running iptables in Dom0 on Debian > Xen? I've googled but without success. What do you want to achieve? Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@l

Re: systemd

2012-08-07 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07.08.2012 15:27, Tom H wrote: > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Joel Rees > wrote: > > > > Too much nonsense to bother responding... Why do you still respond to it? - -- Mika Suomalainen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.1

Re: systemd

2012-08-07 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:53:38PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > On 8/7/12, Tom H wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > > > The answer to the second is "the jury's still out." AFAIR, Roger Leigh > > phrased this in this thread in terms of determining whether adopting > > syst

Re: systemd

2012-08-07 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Joel Rees wrote: Too much nonsense to bother responding... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Swo4P1qpw=uptb+z9

Re: systemd

2012-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 17:53 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > And it is my impression that they are, indeed, shouting about it, > which is one of the reasons some people will find it hard to talk > about systemd without talking about the developers. Correct. I used reiserFS for a while, it was default fo

Re: systemd

2012-08-07 Thread Joel Rees
On 8/7/12, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> On 8/1/12, Tom H wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Joel Rees wrote: On 7/30/12, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > I don't know what brings Tom H h

Resources for iptables on Debian Xen

2012-08-07 Thread Bill.M
Hi folks, Are there any resources available for running iptables in Dom0 on Debian Xen? I've googled but without success. b. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http:

Re: Microphone does not work on wheezy laptop.

2012-08-07 Thread Sthu Deus
Good time of the day, Camaleón. Thank You for Your time and answer. You wrote: > >> head -n 1 /proc/asound/card0/codec* > > > > head: cannot open `/proc/asound/card0/codec' for reading: No such > > file or directory > > > > What do I miss here? > > I don't know... I just have run the above co

Re: WTF? several anon_inode and /dev/null listings with lsof search

2012-08-07 Thread Jochen Spieker
rabidblog...@safe-mail.net: > $ lsof | grep anon_inode anon_inode > > $ lsof | grep dev/null /dev/null > > I find several anon_inodes and over a dozen /dev/null listings, in > some listings for each there are several processes which are repeated. So what? There is nothing unusual about that. Red

WTF? several anon_inode and /dev/null listings with lsof search

2012-08-07 Thread rabidblogger
$ lsof | grep anon_inode anon_inode $ lsof | grep dev/null /dev/null I find several anon_inodes and over a dozen /dev/null listings, in some listings for each there are several processes which are repeated. I'm expecting this to be a rootkit, but none of the rootkit scanners find anything. Why

Re: systemd

2012-08-07 Thread Joel Rees
On 8/7/12, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 03 aug 12, 16:28:30, Joel Rees wrote: >> >> systemd is far too disruptive to have been stuffed into the main >> branch of Fedora the way it was. Good engineering would have been to >> have set up two concurrent forks of Fedora, to keep reference points >>