Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-17 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:00:08 -0500, Borden Rhodes wrote: (...) > So, yes, software breaks. But that's okay because I'm patient and > understanding and I can usually recover from the crashes or work around > them... just as long as I believe that some day it'll be fixed and not > break anymore.

Re: Xserver running on i586.

2010-11-17 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: > For this matter, I think it's better to review the full log (you can > upload to www.pastebin.com or a similar service). OK. Posted here: http://pastebin.com/4HuEVC89 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subjec

Re: "unable to register inhibitor with session bus"

2010-11-17 Thread Stan Hoeppner
crossbuns@gmail.com put forth on 11/17/2010 11:16 PM: > How the fuck do I fix this? I did startx and this and a bunch of other > fucking > > bullshit came scrolling down my screen. > You say you gonna take down Microsoft with > your free shit but if you niggas cant get > GUIs right you ai

Re: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Neil Brown
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:10:50 -0500 Mike Viau wrote: > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:17:18 +1100 wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:32:47 +1100 wrote: > > > > > ./mdadm -Ss > > > > > > > > > > mdadm: stopped /dev/md127 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ./mdadm -Asvvv > > > > > > > > > > mdadm

Re: "unable to register inhibitor with session bus"

2010-11-17 Thread teddieeb
How Rude... Are you really confused as to why you haven't received a reply to this question on web based forums? I really doubt you have put any effort at all into finding the answer on your own given you apparently didn't read the mailing list rules and the references it made to foul languag

"unable to register inhibitor with session bus"

2010-11-17 Thread crossbuns . hot
How the fuck do I fix this? I did startx and this and a bunch of other fucking bullshit came scrolling down my screen. You say you gonna take down Microsoft with your free shit but if you niggas cant get GUIs right you aint got jack shit sorry. Fix my shit niggas. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

RE: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Mike Viau
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:18:13 +1000 wrote: > > Hi, > I am just starting to use RAID on my systems and it was suggested that I make > sure my drives were set to raid by: "fdisk -l" > This should say that the relavent drives are set to "raid auto-detect". > Gerald > > Where do you check "rai

RE: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Mike Viau
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:17:18 +1100 wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:32:47 +1100 wrote: > > > > ./mdadm -Ss > > > > > > > > mdadm: stopped /dev/md127 > > > > > > > > > > > > ./mdadm -Asvvv > > > > > > > > mdadm: looking for devices for further assembly > > > > mdadm: no RAID superblock o

Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-17 Thread teddieeb
Jesús; Your argument is bogus, how many threads do you sit on and are you arguing about this? How many OS's are you trying to convince??? What you seem to be missing, and has been pointed out over and over is yes Debian as a Distribution is developed by volunteers, yes you can go around tryin

Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-17 Thread Borden Rhodes
Well I'm pleased for the discussion and particularly grateful to Klistvud who says many of my ideas far more eloquently than I can. I want to digress briefly and remind everyone that for as controversial as you may think software standards are, accounting standards are far worse. The SEC, AICPA,

Re: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread GeraldCC
On Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:11:49 am Neil Brown wrote: > On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:36:23 -0500 > > Mike Viau wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:15:14 +1100 wrote: > > > > > > This looks wrong. mdadm should be looking for the container as listed > > > in mdadm.conf and it should find a match

Re: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Neil Brown
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:03:41 -0500 Mike Viau wrote: > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:32:47 +1100 wrote: > > > ./mdadm -Ss > > > > > > mdadm: stopped /dev/md127 > > > > > > > > > ./mdadm -Asvvv > > > > > > mdadm: looking for devices for further assembly > > > mdadm: no RAID superblock on /dev/dm-3 >

Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill

2010-11-17 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 17 November 2010 15:16:34 John Hasler wrote: > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes: > > Licensing under the GPL and charging for granting a license (not just > > reasonable distribution costs) is compatible. > > Charging whatever the market will bear for a copy is permissible. > Charging fo

RE: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Mike Viau
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:32:47 +1100 wrote: > > ./mdadm -Ss > > > > mdadm: stopped /dev/md127 > > > > > > ./mdadm -Asvvv > > > > mdadm: looking for devices for further assembly > > mdadm: no RAID superblock on /dev/dm-3 > > mdadm: /dev/dm-3 has wrong uuid. > > want UUID-084b969a:0808f5b8:6c784fb

Re: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Neil Brown
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:05:40 -0500 Mike Viau wrote: > ./mdadm -Ss > > mdadm: stopped /dev/md127 > > > ./mdadm -Asvvv > > mdadm: looking for devices for further assembly > mdadm: no RAID superblock on /dev/dm-3 > mdadm: /dev/dm-3 has wrong uuid. >  want UUID-084b969a:0808f5b8:6c784fb7:6265938

RE: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Mike Viau
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:28:47 +1100 wrote: > > > > I am running the same version, from a Debian Squeeze package which I > > presume is the same. > > > > mdadm -V > > > > mdadm - v3.1.4 - 31st August 2010 > > Yes, should be identical to what I am running. > > > > > > > > and see how that works.

Re: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Neil Brown
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:56:10 -0500 Mike Viau wrote: > I am running the same version, from a Debian Squeeze package which I presume > is the same. > > mdadm -V > > mdadm - v3.1.4 - 31st August 2010 Yes, should be identical to what I am running. > > > > > and see how that works. > > Just > >

Re: Upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze

2010-11-17 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 04:51:02PM -0800, Gary Roach wrote: > Sorry Simon. When I said that my boot files were trashed I meant that > neither XP or Linux was working anymore. The laptop was a boat anchor. > You can probably still boot if you use supergrubdisk (burn the iso to a cd and boot off of

RE: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Mike Viau
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:11:49 +1100 wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:36:23 -0500 Mike Viau wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:15:14 +1100 > > > > > > This looks wrong. mdadm should be looking for the container as listed in > > > mdadm.conf and it should find a matching uuid on sda and s

Re: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Neil Brown
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:36:23 -0500 Mike Viau wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:15:14 +1100 wrote: > > > > This looks wrong. mdadm should be looking for the container as listed in > > mdadm.conf and it should find a matching uuid on sda and sdb, but it > > doesn't. > > > > Can you: > > > > md

Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill

2010-11-17 Thread Mark Allums
On 11/17/2010 4:20 PM, John Hasler wrote: Mark Allums writes: I expect RMS would disagree, but in real terms, what's happening is when you get a copy, you agree to the terms of the license, or don't use it. No license is required to use your copy (in the USA). The copy comes with baggage, an

RE: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm

2010-11-17 Thread Mike Viau
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:15:14 +1100 wrote: > > This looks wrong. mdadm should be looking for the container as listed in > mdadm.conf and it should find a matching uuid on sda and sdb, but it doesn't. > > Can you: > > mdadm -E /dev/sda /dev/sdb ; cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf > > so I can compare the

Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill

2010-11-17 Thread John Hasler
Mark Allums writes: > I expect RMS would disagree, but in real terms, what's happening is > when you get a copy, you agree to the terms of the license, or don't > use it. No license is required to use your copy (in the USA). > The copy comes with baggage, and charging for one means charging for >

Re: Squeeze.GNOME. Correct compiz configuration.

2010-11-17 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:31:20 +, Mark Goldshtein wrote: > Please, help to install and configure compiz manager correctly for > Debian Squeeze. (...) http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz THT Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill

2010-11-17 Thread Mark Allums
On 11/17/2010 3:16 PM, John Hasler wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes: Licensing under the GPL and charging for granting a license (not just reasonable distribution costs) is compatible. Charging whatever the market will bear for a copy is permissible. Charging for a license is not. That'

Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill

2010-11-17 Thread John Hasler
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes: > Licensing under the GPL and charging for granting a license (not just > reasonable distribution costs) is compatible. Charging whatever the market will bear for a copy is permissible. Charging for a license is not. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

Squeeze.GNOME. Correct compiz configuration.

2010-11-17 Thread Mark Goldshtein
Hello, list! Please, help to install and configure compiz manager correctly for Debian Squeeze. Googling got me some recommendations, kinda: 1. Open a terminal and type sudo su 2. Type gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf 3. Add the following option under Section "ServerLayout" Option "AIGLX" "true" 4. Ad

Re: Squeeze. Weekly Build CD installer 2010-11-08 is endlessly seeking a non-free firmware on fd0.

2010-11-17 Thread Mark Goldshtein
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:00:04 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Camaleón wrote: >>> On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:31:37 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote: >>> Have tried to install Debian Squeeze (weekly builds 2010-11-0

Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill

2010-11-17 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <20101117172626.gb30...@turki.gavron.org>, Chris Jones wrote: >On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:25:00PM EDT, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >[..] > >> Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms >> to use, study, and modify the software. > >How would one ‘use, study, and modi

Re: waiting for meter-svc.nytimes.com

2010-11-17 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:05:42 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Camaleón wrote: (...) Anybody see something like that? Same here... with lenny+IW. But after some seconds, the page loads fine. I'm afraid that machine (meter-svc.nytimes.com) could be kinda host/proxy holding jav

Re: Youtube in full-screen crash browsers.

2010-11-17 Thread Artur Frydel
Camaleón wrote: > > If you think the problem is on the plugin itself, you can try with > Adobe's (by manually fecthing the .so file and drop it into your > browser's plugin directory). > I did it. But only for testing. Having newest flashplayer version is more important for me, than full-screen

Re: waiting for meter-svc.nytimes.com

2010-11-17 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:05:42 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Camaleón wrote: (...) >>> Anybody see something like that? >> >> Same here... with lenny+IW. >> >> But after some seconds, the page loads fine. >> >> I'm afraid that machine (meter-svc.nytimes.com) could be kinda >> host/proxy holdi

Re: waiting for meter-svc.nytimes.com

2010-11-17 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:26:00 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: With either IW or google-chrome I get 'waiting for meter-svc.nytimes.com when looking at the nytimes site. This is with Sid. With Lenny and a laptop I don' t get that. They are connected to the same broadband router.

Re: waiting for meter-svc.nytimes.com

2010-11-17 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:26:00 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > With either IW or google-chrome I get 'waiting for meter-svc.nytimes.com > when looking at the nytimes site. This is with Sid. > > With Lenny and a laptop I don' t get that. > > They are connected to the same broadband router. > > Any

waiting for meter-svc.nytimes.com

2010-11-17 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hi, With either IW or google-chrome I get 'waiting for meter-svc.nytimes.com when looking at the nytimes site. This is with Sid. With Lenny and a laptop I don' t get that. They are connected to the same broadband router. Anybody see something like that? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to de

Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill

2010-11-17 Thread Bob Proulx
Chris Jones wrote: > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms > > to use, study, and modify the software. > > How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not > afford it in the first place? The cost is not a mone

Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-17 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mi, 17 nov 10, 18:34:44, Klistvud wrote: > > Agreed, Debian Developers are already doing a huge -- and excellent > -- job and I would never dream of burdening them with additional > tasks. However, Debian is generally well respected within the FLOSS > world, and Debian Developers could leverage

Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-17 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 17. 11. 2010 15:56:09 je Jesús M. Navarro napisal(a): And that's exactly why this wouldn't work for software: where's the governing body for programs? where's the authority to prosecute those not abiding to regulations? There's no need for that, because, as you said: The best you can

Re: how to make the console not blank out and change resolution?

2010-11-17 Thread Chris Jones
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 02:52:00PM EDT, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: > Allow me to ask a stupid question. Permission granted. > You see, when that happens, whatever that was on the screen goes away. > Nor was most of what was on the screen at that point stored in dmesg or > in any /var/log/* file,

Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill

2010-11-17 Thread Chris Jones
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:25:00PM EDT, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: [..] > Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms > to use, study, and modify the software. How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not afford it in the first place? > Duri

Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Nov 17 2010, Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 17. 11. 2010 08:46:23 je Andrei Popescu napisal(a): Well, setting > a set of guidelines is not about "beating maintainers with" > anything. At all. It's the other way around; it's about letting > maintainers intercommunicate and voice their suggestions a

Re: Downgrading packages (with dependencies)

2010-11-17 Thread Lukas Linhart
On Tuesday 16 of November 2010 22:31:20 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <201011161438.54964.jesus.nava...@undominio.net>, Jesús M. Navarro wrote: > >Downgrade shouldn't be considered as an "upgrade, only to a lower version" > > That is what a downgrade is, by definition. In my case, this whoul

apt-listbug weirdness

2010-11-17 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hi, I am enjoying the use of apt-listbug. Just now it died saying it couldn' t find /dev/tty :-( Tried it 2x. Then I ran 'apt-get dist-upgrade' in script mode and it ran... Go figure. A bug in apt-listbug? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subjec

Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-17 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Borden: On Tuesday 16 November 2010 22:43:38 Borden Rhodes wrote: [...] > Why are there so many duplicate and incomplete bug reports and fora > which ask the same questions over and over? I've been guilty of > submitting duplicate bug reports even after I spent an hour searching > Google to m

Debian 6.0 "Squeeze": Call for Upgrade and Installation tests

2010-11-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
--- The Debian Project http://www.debian.org/ Debian 6.0 "Squeeze": Call for Upgrade and Installation tests pr...@debian.org November 16th, 2010 http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b ---

Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-17 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Steve: On Monday 15 November 2010 21:34:03 Steve Kemp wrote: [...] > Debian policy wouldn't arbitrarily try to mandate how the software > we include is written because we simply have no control over that. Not to state a position but I think what you say's basically irrelevant: Debian has

Re: Youtube in full-screen crash browsers.

2010-11-17 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Artur Frydel wrote: Hi. From last apt-get update I have a little problem with Youtube films in full-screen mode. They crashes browsers. Iceweasel, google-chrome, or opera.. After setting film in fullscreen there is crash caused by libflashplayer. Debian Lenny. Iceweasel in 3.06 version, googl

Re: dhclient3 fetching NIC IP for gateway machine from DSL modem

2010-11-17 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Adam: On Wednesday 17 November 2010 11:36:02 Adam Hardy wrote: > I've got a weird problem that I always thought must be my hardware but I > replaced the hardware and it's continuing. > > My gateway lenny box hooks up my LAN to the broadband using dhclient3 to > fetch the external IP address fr

Re: Youtube in full-screen crash browsers.

2010-11-17 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:08:54 +, Artur Frydel wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >> On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:08:46 +, Artur Frydel wrote: >> >>> From last apt-get update I have a little problem with Youtube films in >>> full-screen mode. They crashes browsers. Iceweasel, google-chrome, or >> >> Try by

Re: Youtube in full-screen crash browsers.

2010-11-17 Thread Artur Frydel
Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:08:46 +, Artur Frydel wrote: > >> From last apt-get update I have a little problem with Youtube films in >> full-screen mode. They crashes browsers. Iceweasel, google-chrome, or > > Try by removing cookies and browser's cache :-? > Thanks for answer. Th

Re: Continue without install grub (y/n) confusion

2010-11-17 Thread Lisi
On Monday 01 November 2010 08:54:55 Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Du, 31 oct 10, 10:22:04, Lisi wrote: > > On Tuesday 19 October 2010 18:15:52 Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > If you do a > > > graphical install you can even make screenshots, > > > > Could you explain how, Andrei? (I would like to do it,

Re: Error loading operating system

2010-11-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:11:10 -0500, Celejar wrote in message <20101116151110.a73dd6fc.cele...@gmail.com>: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:56:12 +0100 > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:12:37 -0500, Celejar wrote in message > > <20101115211237.ad4d60f6.cele...@gmail.com>: > > > > > On

Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-17 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 17. 11. 2010 08:46:23 je Andrei Popescu napisal(a): You got it wrong, Debian does NOT work this way. Policy is not something to beat maintainers with who don't obey it, but rather to document sane packaging practices which come out of 17 years of packaging experience. Well, setting

dhclient3 fetching NIC IP for gateway machine from DSL modem

2010-11-17 Thread Adam Hardy
I've got a weird problem that I always thought must be my hardware but I replaced the hardware and it's continuing. My gateway lenny box hooks up my LAN to the broadband using dhclient3 to fetch the external IP address from the DSL modem. The second NIC is the internal LAN so it's irrelevant,

Re: Xserver running on i586.

2010-11-17 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:51:17 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > I can not start Xserver on an old machine - that w/ Pentium-I CPU. - > Monitor just turns off its screen as soon as the Xserver starts - > booting I see. Also, I can switch between console and X-session (monitor > turns off its screen when I s

Xserver running on i586.

2010-11-17 Thread Sthu Deus
Good day. I can not start Xserver on an old machine - that w/ Pentium-I CPU. - Monitor just turns off its screen as soon as the Xserver starts - booting I see. Also, I can switch between console and X-session (monitor turns off its screen when I switch to X - and turns on when to console) - theref

Re: routing

2010-11-17 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Jesús: Excuse me for long respond, please. > Regarding the questions, you *can* answer most of them, if not all. > Here they come again: > > 0) Just so we both can stablish to be working on known field. Use > these routing/firewalling rules: > /sbin/i

Re: Upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze

2010-11-17 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:37:39 -0800, Gary Roach wrote: > I have a dual boot Windows XP / Lenny Toshiba Qosmio G25 laptop. I have > it setup for dual boot with XP on one hard drive and Linux on the other. > I wanted to upgrade to Squeeze. I ran an Aptitude upgrade by changing > Lenny to Squeeze in t

Re: Mplayer exit with kernel error

2010-11-17 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:32:11 +0100, Nils Erik Svangård wrote: > I got a strange error on my system while quitting mplayer. How do I find > out what is the root cause of the error? (...) > Message from sysl...@p-nisse at Nov 16 20:25:07 ... > kernel:[806234.487036] Call Trace: If you are gettin

Re: Upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze

2010-11-17 Thread Glyn Astill
Which version of postgresql were you running prior to the upgrade? I presume 8.4 failed to configure as in order to use data from previous versions you need to upgrade the data via a dump/ restore or pgmigrator etc. Not sure what debians packages for postgres do/ attempt to do but I'm pretty s