Re: Torrents killing my conection

2010-06-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/20/2010 01:44 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:34 AM: On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the best guess. It's just a suggestion. I think throttling is more likely if you open lo

Re: This is why gmail sucks (was Re: Torrents killing my connection)

2010-06-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/19/2010 11:53 PM, ABS Doug wrote: I send you mail in private, and the gmail interface is so bad that you don't notice. So, either post the .torrent so that other can test it, or keep your problems to yourself. Not gmail, I probably did that. Habit as I don't want to be rude& send to the

Re: Torrents killing my conection

2010-06-19 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:34 AM: > On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote: > [snip] >> >> Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the >> best guess. It's just a suggestion. >> >> I think throttling is more likely if you open lots of connections, so >> try usi

Re: Torrents killing my conection

2010-06-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the best guess. It's just a suggestion. I think throttling is more likely if you open lots of connections, so try using fewer. Beyond about four, you won't see much improvement if

Re: logrotate

2010-06-19 Thread Alexander Batischev
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 05:20:15PM +0530, Kaushal Shriyan wrote: > Hi, > > I have set ionice -c3 for logrotate application,what happens when the other > program which has asked for disk IO during this period ? Well, man 1 ionice describes it pretty clear, isn't it? Class 3 (-c3 option) stands for

Re: Torrents killing my conection

2010-06-19 Thread Mark Allums
On 6/20/2010 12:04 AM, ABS Doug wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Mihira Fernando wrote: Do they throttle torrents when protocol encryption is enabled as well ? My isp here does the same thing with unencrypted torrents but no issues at all when protocol encryption is turned on. Thing

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Zoran Kolic
> Or just used Windows. I mean it works & it would seem there are a fair > amount of people that really don't like requests for help on the Linux > E-mail "help" lists. He-he! Contrary. I assume poster tries to solve the problem himself first. Aside of being polite, it is a fun to learn new things

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Tim Clewlow
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Andrew Reid > wrote: >>  Is this only true of torrents, or is it also true of large >> downloads?  What happens if you try to pull a few megs of >> something? > > Usenet seems to work fine. But there I'm downloading in pieces of > course. Is the anything else

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/19/2010 11:59 PM, ABS Doug wrote: On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Andrew Reid wrote: Is this only true of torrents, or is it also true of large downloads? What happens if you try to pull a few megs of something? Usenet seems to work fine. But there I'm downloading in pieces of cours

Re: Torrents killing my conection

2010-06-19 Thread Mark Allums
On 6/19/2010 11:49 PM, Mihira Fernando wrote: On 06/20/2010 09:51 AM, Mark Allums wrote: I agree, in an ideal universe, torrents are a great innovation, and should be the standard method. Alas, in many places, by many ISPs, torrents are punished, throttled to the point of uselessness and worse.

Re: Torrents killing my conection

2010-06-19 Thread ABS Doug
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Mihira Fernando wrote: > Do they throttle torrents when protocol encryption is enabled as well ? My > isp here does the same thing with unencrypted torrents but no issues at all > when protocol encryption is turned on. Thing is, if I'm getting throttled, how com

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread ABS Doug
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Andrew Reid wrote: >  Is this only true of torrents, or is it also true of large > downloads?  What happens if you try to pull a few megs of > something? Usenet seems to work fine. But there I'm downloading in pieces of course. Is the anything else I can put throu

Re: Torrents killing my conection

2010-06-19 Thread Mihira Fernando
On 06/20/2010 09:51 AM, Mark Allums wrote: I agree, in an ideal universe, torrents are a great innovation, and should be the standard method. Alas, in many places, by many ISPs, torrents are punished, throttled to the point of uselessness and worse. Do they throttle torrents when protocol enc

Re: Torrents killing my conection

2010-06-19 Thread ABS Doug
> My conclusion would be: some time has to > be spent to learn ins and outs of debian first. Next, to learn > how torrent works, including reading rfc or whatever similar. > Last, choose the application people use and help on forums or > irc channel. Or just used Windows. I mean it works & it woul

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread Mark Allums
On 6/19/2010 4:09 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/19/2010 03:35 AM, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 19. 06. 2010 06:32:04 je Gerald napisal(a): Those were the days when men were men and systems were built by men.! Gerald Yep. As opposed to the Internet Age, in which not only men are men, but most of t

Re: Torrents killing my conection

2010-06-19 Thread Mark Allums
On 6/19/2010 9:51 AM, Zoran Kolic wrote: Torrents are trouble. Avoid them, if practical. Your ISP may be throttling them, although I can't see what difference the version of Ubuntu would make. Huh! It is much easier when one makes proper visualisation of the protocols involved into the task.

Re: mdadm doing strange things

2010-06-19 Thread Andrew Reid
On Saturday 19 June 2010 14:20:27 Alan Chandler wrote: [ Details elided ] > HOWEVER (the punch line). When this system booted, it was not the old > reverted one but how it was before I started this cycle. In other words > it looked as though the disk which I had failed and removed was being used

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Andrew Reid
On Saturday 19 June 2010 02:02:17 ABS Doug wrote: > I can't believe I'm still totally unable to figure out what is going > on here. Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.04 was unable to handle downloading > torrents. [etc.] Is this only true of torrents, or is it also true of large downloads? What

Re: Downgraded Flash Non-Free 32 to Backports

2010-06-19 Thread Greg Madden
On Saturday 19 June 2010 14:10:28 Freeman wrote: > Flashpluggin non-free became very choppy on my 32 bit squeeze install with > an old Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]. Nothing played smoothly. > > It started near-about the recent xserver upgrades: xserver-xorg-core, > xserver-common, xserver-x

Re: mdadm doing strange things

2010-06-19 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Alan Chandler put forth on 6/19/2010 1:20 PM: > > I have a server with a pair of raided (RAID1) disks using partition 1,2 > and 4 as /boot root and and and lvm volume respectively. The two disks > are /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. They have just replaced two smaller disks > where the root partiton was

Re: Enigmail: why couldn't I sign an HTML message?

2010-06-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/19/2010 01:27 PM, Erwan David wrote: On 19/06/10 20:24, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Du, 13 iun 10, 16:31:01, Camaleón wrote: Unfortunately PGP/MIME is not supported by all mailclients; those that currently are compatible with it are Enigmail, Apple Mail, Becky, Evolution, KMail, Mulberry, S

Downgraded Flash Non-Free 32 to Backports

2010-06-19 Thread Freeman
Flashpluggin non-free became very choppy on my 32 bit squeeze install with an old Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]. Nothing played smoothly. It started near-about the recent xserver upgrades: xserver-xorg-core, xserver-common, xserver-xorg-video-ati, xserver-xorg-video-radeon, mesa utils. My v

Re: Debian Community Poll

2010-06-19 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sb, 19 iun 10, 12:13:11, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 09:06:32PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > > On 2010-06-19 21:01 +0200, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > [...] > > > I'm interested inthe results, and how many responses there were. > > > > http://twerner.blogspot.com/20

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sb, 19 iun 10, 02:02:17, ABS Doug wrote: [problems with torrents] If you're on wireless try a wired connection for a while. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Descript

Re: gettext upgrade woes

2010-06-19 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Jo, 17 iun 10, 15:32:57, Danny wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am currently on Debian 5.04 and need to upgrade gettext from the current > version > to a newer one (im trying to upgrade DR17, and I get gettext errors). > > When I install gettext I get a LOT of dependency errors. Is there a way I can >

Re: Triple boot with MS XP

2010-06-19 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 15 iun 10, 21:13:11, ABSDoug wrote: > If this isn't on topic, sorry ahead of time & perhaps you can point me in the > right place? > > I've been reading up on having a separate partition for your /home > files. For quite some time, I've been using a ntfs partition named > "storage" as it

Re: Debian Community Poll

2010-06-19 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 09:06:32PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2010-06-19 21:01 +0200, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 09:51:56PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > >> On Lu, 14 iun 10, 09:52:32, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> > A section from today's issue of the Debian Projec

Re: Debian Community Poll

2010-06-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-06-19 21:01 +0200, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 09:51:56PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> On Lu, 14 iun 10, 09:52:32, Ron Johnson wrote: >> > A section from today's issue of the Debian Project News: >> > >> > Debian Community Poll >> > - > [.

Re: Debian Community Poll

2010-06-19 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 09:51:56PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Lu, 14 iun 10, 09:52:32, Ron Johnson wrote: > > A section from today's issue of the Debian Project News: > > > > Debian Community Poll > > - [...] > > > >12 : http://tinyurl.com/3y33ska > > "The poll is

Re: Debian Community Poll

2010-06-19 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 14 iun 10, 09:52:32, Ron Johnson wrote: > A section from today's issue of the Debian Project News: > > Debian Community Poll > - > > After getting the idea during the recent Mini Debian Conference [8] in > Berlin, Torsten Werner prepared [9] a poll for users of the Debi

Re: Enigmail: why couldn't I sign an HTML message?

2010-06-19 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:24:27 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Du, 13 iun 10, 16:31:01, Camaleón wrote: > >> Unfortunately PGP/MIME is not supported by all mailclients; those that >> currently are compatible with it are Enigmail, Apple Mail, Becky, >> Evolution, KMail, Mulberry, Sylpheed, and The

mdadm doing strange things

2010-06-19 Thread Alan Chandler
I have a server with a pair of raided (RAID1) disks using partition 1,2 and 4 as /boot root and and and lvm volume respectively. The two disks are /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. They have just replaced two smaller disks where the root partiton was NOT a raid device - it was just /dev/sda2 although

Re: Enigmail: why couldn't I sign an HTML message?

2010-06-19 Thread Erwan David
On 19/06/10 20:24, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Du, 13 iun 10, 16:31:01, Camaleón wrote: > >> Unfortunately PGP/MIME is not supported by all mailclients; those that >> currently are compatible with it are Enigmail, Apple Mail, Becky, >> Evolution, KMail, Mulberry, Sylpheed, and The Bat!. > > You

Re: [ubuntu-bo] Desconfiguración al conectrar lapto p a la tele :S

2010-06-19 Thread Huang, Tao
When you use the "Reply to all" button in Gmail, check the addresses before hitting "Send" Tao -- http://huangtao.me/ http://www.google.com/profiles/UniIsland 2010/6/20 Tn 4dm1n : > una cosa tienes que tener en cuenta que para que lso menus se acomoden a la > resolucion del pantalla de 32 de pu

Re: Enigmail: why couldn't I sign an HTML message?

2010-06-19 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Du, 13 iun 10, 16:31:01, Camaleón wrote: > Unfortunately PGP/MIME is not supported by all mailclients; those that > currently are compatible with it are Enigmail, Apple Mail, Becky, > Evolution, KMail, Mulberry, Sylpheed, and The Bat!. You missed Claws-Mail and, of course, mutt ;) Regards,

Re: How do I back up a running system?

2010-06-19 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Robert S wrote: I have debian running on a "headless" system. I'd like to back the entire system up. Its difficult with a bootable disk without a monitor (so Clonezilla etc are out). I've tried mondoarchive but it usually bails out before it completes the backup. And what does mondoarchive

Re: fp10.amd64.pgp.asc.INSECURE?

2010-06-19 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 07:20:16PM +0200, Jozsi Avadkan wrote: > # apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree > ... > wget failed to download > http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.amd64.pgp.asc > Try again later with "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install". > > > > > Under Debian L

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Tim Clewlow
> at some point, minutes, hours, > I'll loose my internet connection. . What do you have to do to get the connection back? Restart networking on the torrent client computer, or, restart the modem/router, or perhaps you have a separate firewall that requires a (networking) restart. The answer to th

Re: [ubuntu-bo] Desconfiguración al conectrar lapto p a la tele :S

2010-06-19 Thread Tn 4dm1n
una cosa tienes que tener en cuenta que para que lso menus se acomoden a la resolucion del pantalla de 32 de pulgadas tienes que incrementar el tamaño tu laptop debe ser de 17 o 19 pulgadas no? para 17 o 19 pulgadas va perfecto 1280x768 pero para un monitor de 32 tienes que aumetnar proporcional

Re: fp10.amd64.pgp.asc.INSECURE?

2010-06-19 Thread Erwan David
Le Sat 19/06/2010, Jozsi Avadkan disait > # apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree > ... > wget failed to download > http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.amd64.pgp.asc > Try again later with "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install". > > > > > Under Debian Lenny. > > Why? > are

fp10.amd64.pgp.asc.INSECURE?

2010-06-19 Thread Jozsi Avadkan
# apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ... wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.amd64.pgp.asc Try again later with "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install". Under Debian Lenny. Why? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org wi

Re: debian architecture history question

2010-06-19 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 11 iun 10, 11:09:18, Aaron Toponce wrote: > Other than the kernel, which is compiled for 686 instruction sets, and > maybe a few core packages that would benefit from targeting the 686 > architecture, Debian compiles the rest of the packages against 386. AFAIR support for 386 was dropped

Re: How to tune display position on external VGA display

2010-06-19 Thread Wackojacko
On 19/06/10 14:31, Matteo Riva wrote: I'm using a laptop which I connect to a plasma TV through a VGA connection. I can get the display on the plasma to work at the correct resolution (1360x768) but the image is shifted on the left so that part of it is hidden and I have a black bar on the right

Rfkill not fully working on Dell Mini 1012

2010-06-19 Thread Jack Malmostoso
Hello List, I had a morning of terror with my Debian Sid on my new Dell Mini (v. 1012). The laptop has a broadcom 4312 Wifi card that works with the module b43. I had to find the right combination of firmware and fwcutter to make it work reliably, but that's another story. I am running 2.6.34

Re: UUID in fstab? - Gave Up

2010-06-19 Thread Thomas H. George
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 01:15:48PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > I edited fstab and replaced /dev/sda1 with UUID=507caf8f-f9cd... (i.e. > an hell of a long string I obtained from blkid /dev/sda1) leaving the > rest of the line unchanged as /bkups ext3 rw,user,noauto 0 2 > > Next I rebooted

Re: Torrents killing my conection

2010-06-19 Thread Zoran Kolic
> Torrents are trouble. Avoid them, if practical. Your ISP may be > throttling them, although I can't see what difference the version of > Ubuntu would make. > However, if a Windows client works, then ask yourself if you need Linux > for other things, or whether Windows will suit your needs.

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Mark
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: > Den 19. juni 2010 09:38, skrev Mark: > > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Eero Volotinen wrote: > >> > Equipment: WRT54G, Acer Aspire One >> >> I think your torrent client is killing the router. (filling nat tables >> and eating cpu). Y

Re: Pre-Install Question

2010-06-19 Thread Alan Chandler
On 19/06/10 12:52, Timothy Schader wrote: Please tell me what the differences are between all the DVD downloads at the following link. What is contained on each disk/iso? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-dvd/ Thanks! Tim As others have implied, but not implicitely said, Debi

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > I've got a pile of them upstairs. If I had an EPROM eraser (a > programmer is easy to build) I'd use them instead of Atmel chips. Nate Bargmann writes: > Needham's Electronics used to offer them, assuming they're still in > business. Oh, I know I could _buy_ one. However, while I hav

How to tune display position on external VGA display

2010-06-19 Thread Matteo Riva
I'm using a laptop which I connect to a plasma TV through a VGA connection. I can get the display on the plasma to work at the correct resolution (1360x768) but the image is shifted on the left so that part of it is hidden and I have a black bar on the right. My card is a Radeon Mobility 3430. Wi

Re: Pre-Install Question

2010-06-19 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 19. 06. 2010 14:13:51 je Eero Volotinen napisal(a): Well, they contains all Debian software. Mainly you just need first one, if you can access (fast) internet. It's a bit hard to list contains of all DVDs. I'll second that. There are roughly about 25 *thousand* packages in Debian, so i

Re: Pre-Install Question

2010-06-19 Thread Huang, Tao
look for the listing in the mirror directory hierarchy. go up one level and you'll find http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/list-dvd/ btw, the first disc contains the installer and the most frequently used packages. Do not post to multiple mailing list. and this question is totally ir

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2010 19 Jun 07:10 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Miles Fidelman writes: > > It continually amazes me that the [Z80 is] still in production and > > widespread use. > > I've got a pile of them upstairs. If I had an EPROM eraser (a > programmer is easy to build) I'd use them instead of Atmel chips

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Håkon Alstadheim
Den 19. juni 2010 09:38, skrev Mark: On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Eero Volotinen mailto:eero.voloti...@iki.fi>> wrote: > Equipment: WRT54G, Acer Aspire One I think your torrent client is killing the router. (filling nat tables and eating cpu). You should buy more powerful rout

Re: Pre-Install Question

2010-06-19 Thread Eero Volotinen
2010/6/19 Timothy Schader : > Please tell me what the differences are between all the DVD downloads at the > following link. What is contained on each disk/iso? > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-dvd/ Well, they contains all Debian software. Mainly you just need first one, if you

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread John Hasler
Miles Fidelman writes: > It continually amazes me that the [Z80 is] still in production and > widespread use. I've got a pile of them upstairs. If I had an EPROM eraser (a programmer is easy to build) I'd use them instead of Atmel chips. > It could well be the most popular chip ever made for emb

Pre-Install Question

2010-06-19 Thread Timothy Schader
Please tell me what the differences are between all the DVD downloads at the following link. What is contained on each disk/iso? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-dvd/ Thanks! Tim

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Go out and run a mile or so. Andrew Sackville-West writes: > that'll *really* make him feel old! Odd. It has the opposite effect on me. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lis

logrotate

2010-06-19 Thread Kaushal Shriyan
Hi, I have set ionice -c3 for logrotate application,what happens when the other program which has asked for disk IO during this period ? Thanks Kaushal

Corrupted display with ATI 10.6 drivers

2010-06-19 Thread Matteo Riva
I installed ATI proprietary drivers version 10.6 and, while I can get the system to work, it becomes corrupted quickly. Example of corruption: while cycling through Iceweasel's open tabs, parts of them become all black, or white, elements disapper and reappear when mouseovered, etc. I'm using the

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/19/2010 03:35 AM, Klistvud wrote: Dne, 19. 06. 2010 06:32:04 je Gerald napisal(a): Those were the days when men were men and systems were built by men.! Gerald Yep. As opposed to the Internet Age, in which not only men are men, but most of the women are men as well, while little gir

Re: [OT] First computer (was Re: LVM)

2010-06-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/19/2010 12:00 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/18/2010 11:05 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Right after that, started hacking on MIT's PDP-1 (of Tech Model Railroad Club and Spacewar fame, but at that point free-standing). The really neat thing about the

Re: [OT] First computer

2010-06-19 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 19. 06. 2010 06:32:04 je Gerald napisal(a): Those were the days when men were men and systems were built by men.! Gerald Yep. As opposed to the Internet Age, in which not only men are men, but most of the women are men as well, while little girls are actually FBI agents ... --

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 19. 06. 2010 08:15:01 je Nuno Magalhães napisal(a): mlnet never gave me trouble and it's on 24/7 I'll second that. The only drawback is, mlnet doesn't implement the upload/download ratio required by certain torrents/trackers, so you appear to them not to be uploading at all; eventually

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Mark Allums
On 6/19/2010 1:02 AM, ABS Doug wrote: [snip rant] Torrents are trouble. Avoid them, if practical. Your ISP may be throttling them, although I can't see what difference the version of Ubuntu would make. However, if a Windows client works, then ask yourself if you need Linux for other thing

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Mark
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Eero Volotinen wrote: > > Equipment: WRT54G, Acer Aspire One > > I think your torrent client is killing the router. (filling nat tables > and eating cpu). You should buy more powerful router.. > Um, no. I have the identical router and have never had problems wit

Re: Torrents killing my connection

2010-06-19 Thread Eero Volotinen
> Equipment: WRT54G, Acer Aspire One I think your torrent client is killing the router. (filling nat tables and eating cpu). You should buy more powerful router.. -- Eero -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas