Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-04-15 01:47 +0200, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:20:00PM +0200, David wrote: > >> comix - The version in Testing had security problems, so it was >> removed automatically (however, the insecure version stayed in >> Unstable). Almost a month later a fixed version wa

Re: Debian vs. the Eee PC

2008-04-14 Thread Erle Pereira
Robert Epprecht wrote: > Mark Allums <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What variety of Linux is installed on the EeePC? There is a CustomDebian project to make Debian work optimally on the Eee. Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/ > There is also the mailinglist debian-eeepc-devel. >

Re: Fwd: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 07:01:55PM -0700, David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But if an app is removed from a repository, apt won't tell you. > > deborphan might, though. > > Understood so far. > > But th

Re: Fwd: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:54:10PM -0500, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > That's the difference between libraries and apps. An app will be > removed if the dependent libraries are removed (by user or Debian), > and libraries will be flagged for removal if the *user* removes th

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 06:41:05PM -0700, David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've looked thru "man apt.conf", "man apt_preferences" and "man > > apt-get", but don't see any way to disable this. > > I use

Re: Problems with vmware-server-console

2008-04-14 Thread Alex Samad
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:02:54PM -0300, Miguel Gaiowski wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Chris Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > [snip] > CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config13/vmmon-only/common/task.o > gcc-4.1: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory you are mis

Re: sidux

2008-04-14 Thread Rico Secada
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:35:56 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 06:25:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > The crucial bit that many miss is that new packages don't move > > > into testing unless they've sat in unstable w

Re: subversion that just updated in sid does not support ssl?

2008-04-14 Thread Magicloud Magiclouds
Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Tuesday 15 April 2008 06:20:15 Magicloud Magiclouds wrote: Hello, I update my sid everyday. A few hours ago, subversion was upgraded to 1.4.6, then it can not recognize https any more. Anything I should know? Like I need some more packages instal

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:44:46PM -0700, David Fox wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:34 PM, NN_il_Confusionario wrote: > > have you compared the options used in /etc/apt/apt.conf* with the > > possible ones in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz ? > > I haven't yet looked there unti

Re: [OT] How to add fortune output to terminal

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 02:08:02AM +0200, s. keeling wrote: > .bash_profile is for setting up global env vars. .bashrc is for doing > things for interactive ("login") sessions. this is completely different from what I understand by reading man bash (section FILES, and also search for "INVOCATION"

Re: IO diagnose tools?

2008-04-14 Thread Ding Honghui
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for you replay. It seems lsof does not display which process is write or read from the block device. As refered in kernel document Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt, I read the document Documentation/laptop-mode.txt: If you want to find out

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 06:41:05PM -0700, David Fox wrote: > I use aptitude exclusively, and I've never managed to get it to pull > in recommended packages. > And while I'm here, what is this "Unsupported proxy: false" when doing > a dist-upgrade? have you compared the options used in /etc/apt/apt

Re: IO diagnose tools?

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:23:25AM +0800, Ding Honghui wrote: > vmstat 1 shows my debian box wa in field cpu is about 9x% and bi in > field io is high(about 2000-7000). > 1. Is it means some processes are accessing my disk heavly? > 2. If so, is there any IO diagnose tools exist to find out which p

Re: subversion that just updated in sid does not support ssl?

2008-04-14 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Tuesday 15 April 2008 06:20:15 Magicloud Magiclouds wrote: > Hello, > I update my sid everyday. A few hours ago, subversion was upgraded to > 1.4.6, then it can not recognize https any more. > Anything I should know? Like I need some more packages installed or > this is a bug. >

subversion that just updated in sid does not support ssl?

2008-04-14 Thread Magicloud Magiclouds
Hello, I update my sid everyday. A few hours ago, subversion was upgraded to 1.4.6, then it can not recognize https any more. Anything I should know? Like I need some more packages installed or this is a bug. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "uns

Re: Fwd: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 07:01:55PM -0700, David Fox wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But if an app is removed from a repository, apt won't tell you. > > deborphan might, though. > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ deborphan xmms > xmms > And aptitude why-

Re: IO diagnose tools?

2008-04-14 Thread David Fox
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Ding Honghui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Is it means some processes are accessing my disk heavly? >1000 ? I'd say yes. For comparison, my (rather) idle box is doing: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ vmstat -a 4 procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -sy

Re: fsck died with nexit status 8

2008-04-14 Thread Sudev Barar
On 15/04/2008, L. V. Gandhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I get the above message while booting and halts for maintenance. I > have winxp, kubuntu also in the same machine. I give root password, > umount /dev/sda9 which is root and do e2fsck /dev/sda9. I get msg > "Superblock last mount time is

Re: euro sign / nobreak space

2008-04-14 Thread Manon Metten
Hi Florian, Thanks for explaining. > > What is this Multi_Key? What's it used for? > > > It is used to "compose" special characters by pressing two or more keys > in succession. OK. Then I prefer to use the Menu-key, coz that's the way I set up Xkb options. To me it's much easier than pressin

Re: [OT] How to add fortune output to terminal

2008-04-14 Thread Vikki Roemer
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:08 PM, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vikki Roemer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > In my experience, I've never had fortune break scp, but maybe I've > > just been lucky. > > > > But, if it does cause problems, just remove it and add it to > > .bash_profile in

Re: fsck died with nexit status 8

2008-04-14 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Tuesday 15 April 2008 04:31:33 L.V.Gandhi wrote: > I get the above message while booting and halts for maintenance. I > have winxp, kubuntu also in the same machine. I give root password, > umount /dev/sda9 which is root and do e2fsck /dev/sda9. I get msg > "Superblock last mount time is in fut

fsck died with nexit status 8

2008-04-14 Thread L . V . Gandhi
I get the above message while booting and halts for maintenance. I have winxp, kubuntu also in the same machine. I give root password, umount /dev/sda9 which is root and do e2fsck /dev/sda9. I get msg "Superblock last mount time is in future. Fix(y)?. I do y.Then iot says /dev/sda9 clean. But if I

Re: OT: what scripting language to learn?

2008-04-14 Thread Damon L. Chesser
s. keeling wrote: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 04/11/08 13:47, Daniel Mahoney wrote: Damon L. Chesser wrote: I keep coming up against a wall "Solid scripting experience required" in my job search (for Linux sys admin). IYHO, what would be the one scripting language to

Re: Backup system drive copy won't boot GRUB

2008-04-14 Thread Pigeon
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 05:54:34PM -0400, Brett Charbeneau wrote: > I'd be grateful for any help anyone can find time to give! > I'm getting ready to upgrade my system from sarge to etch. I boot > from an IDE drive and keep /home and /var on SCSI disk. My sarge > install is > p

IO diagnose tools?

2008-04-14 Thread Ding Honghui
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi list vmstat 1 shows my debian box wa in field cpu is about 9x% and bi in field io is high(about 2000-7000). 1. Is it means some processes are accessing my disk heavly? 2. If so, is there any IO diagnose tools exist to find out which process is? -

Re: Fwd: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread David Fox
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But if an app is removed from a repository, apt won't tell you. > deborphan might, though. Understood so far. But this isn't very helpful: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ deborphan xmms xmms And aptitude why-not xmms doesn't sa

Re: sidux

2008-04-14 Thread Joey Hess
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 06:25:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > The crucial bit that many miss is that new packages don't move into > > > testing unless they've sat in unstable with no new bug reports for 10 > > > days (I think). > >

Re: Fwd: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/14/08 20:31, David Fox wrote: > Oops, I meant that to go to the list, sorry David. > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi list. > > > > Something I've noticed with Testing/Lenny is that packages often >

Re: Read-only root (/) except /etc

2008-04-14 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:16:32AM +0200, Timo Boettcher wrote: > * Daniel Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it possible to have /etc on a separate partition from / (root) so > > that root can be read-only while /etc is read-write? > Making a read-only root-fs is quite complex. > You didn

Re: [OT] reStructured Text real world usage

2008-04-14 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:34:00PM -0400, Brian McKee wrote: > > On 12-Apr-08, at 6:16 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > >On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:54:40AM -0400, Brian McKee wrote: > >> > >>On 9-Apr-08, at 11:12 PM, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: > >>>Hey Everyone, > >>> > >>>Inspired by the easy to use wik

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread David Fox
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've looked thru "man apt.conf", "man apt_preferences" and "man > apt-get", but don't see any way to disable this. I use aptitude exclusively, and I've never managed to get it to pull in recommended packages. I basically g

Fwd: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread David Fox
Oops, I meant that to go to the list, sorry David. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi list. > > Something I've noticed with Testing/Lenny is that packages often > disappear for a short period (a few days or weeks) and then reappear. > A few current exam

Re: debian bsdgames emacs packages conflict

2008-04-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/14/08 18:26, Jude DaShiell wrote: > It doesn't matter which order these two get installed in they conflict. > In this case I could have reversed the aptitude install line to read: > aptitude install emacs bsdgames -r and then emacs would have ins

Re: sidux

2008-04-14 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 03:09:26PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > Contrast that with sid, bug fixes happen fast. It seems, in my limited > experience, that serious bugs that get caught in sid rapidly > disappear, sometimes within hours. Sure there's more churn and > potentially more opport

Re: etch installation on Compaq Proliant ML350 fails

2008-04-14 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 05:46:20PM +0200, Fabrizio Lippolis wrote: > I am trying to install Debian etch on a Compaq Proliant ML350. During > the installation process some hardware is recognized, the network card > too, and gets an IP address from the DHCP server. Before partitioning, a > message

Re: [OT] How to add fortune output to terminal

2008-04-14 Thread s. keeling
Vikki Roemer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Angus Auld wrote: > > > Would someone be able to advise me as to what is a > > > safe method to add a fortune command to my .bashrc > > > file so as to have fortune output in my termin

Re: sidux

2008-04-14 Thread s. keeling
Michael C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'm obviously never going to get a considered, impartial appraisal from > their forum and IRC channel, so has anyone here tried sidux only to find > that Testing was better suited to their desktop needs? I've never run Sid. I do support a user who wants to p

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:20:00PM +0200, David wrote: > comix - The version in Testing had security problems, so it was > removed automatically (however, the insecure version stayed in > Unstable). Almost a month later a fixed version was uploaded to stable > and 10 days later it moved to Testin

Re: Reg Blind

2008-04-14 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 03:13:07PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On 14-Apr-08, at 9:58 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > >> Perhaps debian should have an accessible install CD in addition to all > >> the different DTE install CDs. E.g. one where sound works on most > >> boxes > >> and come

Re: Problems with vmware-server-console

2008-04-14 Thread Miguel Gaiowski
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Chris Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2008-04-12 at 21:05 +0300, Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote: > > Miguel Gaiowski wrote: > > > Hi, I've been trying to get vmware to work here and I got this issue > > > while compiling the kernel module. > > > > > > I'm using D

Re: sidux

2008-04-14 Thread Michael C
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:29:19PM +0100, Michael C wrote: Haines Brown wrote: Michael, I wanted to put Debian on a new Thinkpad X61s, and to achieve that with minimal pain, I went with sidux. I created a USB-stick to install it, and it went as smooth as ca

Re: sidux

2008-04-14 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 06:25:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > The crucial bit that many miss is that new packages don't move into > > testing unless they've sat in unstable with no new bug reports for 10 > > days (I think). > > Or 5 days (urgency=medium in changelog

Re: Problems with vmware-server-console

2008-04-14 Thread Chris Parker
On Sat, 2008-04-12 at 21:05 +0300, Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote: > Miguel Gaiowski wrote: > > Hi, I've been trying to get vmware to work here and I got this issue > > while compiling the kernel module. > > > > I'm using Debian Lenny, kernel 2.6.24-686 and here's the output I get: > > > > http://www.debian

Re: sidux

2008-04-14 Thread Joey Hess
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > The crucial bit that many miss is that new packages don't move into > testing unless they've sat in unstable with no new bug reports for 10 > days (I think). Or 5 days (urgency=medium in changelog). Or 2 days (urgency=high). Or 1 day if it's a bad enough problem (urg

Re: Reg Blind

2008-04-14 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 02:04:39PM -0400, Brian McKee wrote: > On 14-Apr-08, at 9:58 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: >> Perhaps debian should have an accessible install CD in addition to all >> the different DTE install CDs. E.g. one where sound works on most >> boxes >> and comes up with voice prom

Backup system drive copy won't boot GRUB

2008-04-14 Thread Brett Charbeneau
I'd be grateful for any help anyone can find time to give! I'm getting ready to upgrade my system from sarge to etch. I boot from an IDE drive and keep /home and /var on SCSI disk. My sarge install is presently using the 2.6.8-4-686-smp linux-image. Before I get into the actual upgrade

Re: sidux

2008-04-14 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:29:19PM +0100, Michael C wrote: > Haines Brown wrote: >> Michael, >> >> I wanted to put Debian on a new Thinkpad X61s, and to achieve that with >> minimal pain, I went with sidux. I created a USB-stick to install it, >> and it went as smooth as can be. I'm using the machi

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:20:00PM +0200, David wrote: > Hi again list, and thanks for the replies. > > My PC survived the upgrade to Unstable and actually has fewer problems > than I did with Testing (besides a few xorg.conf and nvidia-xconfig > issues, and 2 gtk libraries being held back due to

Re: [OT] How to add fortune output to terminal

2008-04-14 Thread Vikki Roemer
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Angus Auld wrote: > > Would someone be able to advise me as to what is a > > safe method to add a fortune command to my .bashrc > > file so as to have fortune output in my terminal @ > > login? > > I've googled this prett

Re: sidux

2008-04-14 Thread Michael C
Haines Brown wrote: Michael, I wanted to put Debian on a new Thinkpad X61s, and to achieve that with minimal pain, I went with sidux. I created a USB-stick to install it, and it went as smooth as can be. I'm using the machine with wifi. All hitches were simply the result of my ignorance. The

Re: [OT] MiniPCI GPS and GSM card for router

2008-04-14 Thread Richard Hector
On Fri, 2008-04-11 at 01:23 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > The MobilOffices can be deplaced with a standard Truck and if someone > try to steal one, I am fscked since the value of a MobilOffice is NOT > under 60.000 Euro. You at least seem to have all the hardware required to track where

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-04-14 22:02 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/14/08 12:54, Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2008-04-14 19:24 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >>> Since when does apt-get automatically pull in recommended packages? >>> Quite frequently I see it recommend packages, but not automatically >>> pull them

apt-get auto-recommends (was Re: Packages temporarily ...)

2008-04-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/14/08 15:02, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/14/08 12:54, Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2008-04-14 19:24 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> Since when does apt-get automatically pull in recommended packages? >>> Quite frequently I see it recommend packages

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/14/08 12:54, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2008-04-14 19:24 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> Since when does apt-get automatically pull in recommended packages? >> Quite frequently I see it recommend packages, but not automatically >> pull them in. >

Re: sidux

2008-04-14 Thread Haines Brown
Michael, I wanted to put Debian on a new Thinkpad X61s, and to achieve that with minimal pain, I went with sidux. I created a USB-stick to install it, and it went as smooth as can be. I'm using the machine with wifi. All hitches were simply the result of my ignorance. The applications I've insta

Re: Finding services that are running [SOLVED]

2008-04-14 Thread andy
Sven Joachim wrote: On 2008-04-14 20:43 +0200, andy wrote: When I power down, I see a message that wesnothd is shutting down. I don't really want to be running a wesnoth server, although I do enjoy playing the game. How do I close this server and ensure that it doesn't run at start-up? Havin

sidux

2008-04-14 Thread Michael C
Many swear seem to swear by sidux, though its claim to turn "unstable into a stable and reliable operating system for every-day usage" seems at odds with common sense, especially given its own advice to avoid dist-upgrades in the middle of "serious work" because "any package in sid can break at an

Re: Finding services that are running

2008-04-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-04-14 20:43 +0200, andy wrote: > When I power down, I see a message that wesnothd is shutting down. I > don't really want to be running a wesnoth server, although I do enjoy > playing the game. How do I close this server and ensure that it > doesn't run at start-up? Having gone through wes

Re: euro sign / nobreak space

2008-04-14 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:20:29 +0200, Manon Metten wrote: > Hi Florian, > > Although it works now as I applied the suggestions of Nigel Henry > (please see my previous reply), there's still this inconsistency in > the xkb_keymap. Here's my current setting: > > M> setxkbmap -print > xkb_keymap {

Finding services that are running

2008-04-14 Thread andy
Hello When I power down, I see a message that wesnothd is shutting down. I don't really want to be running a wesnoth server, although I do enjoy playing the game. How do I close this server and ensure that it doesn't run at start-up? Having gone through wesnothd man pages to be honest, I am n

Re: continuity of a topic in debian-user

2008-04-14 Thread Vikki Roemer
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:57 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vikki, Ron & others, > > At Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:55:16 -0500 Vikki Roemer wrote, > > "Because threading is done by message id > (see headers) ..." > > At Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:27:58 -0500 Ron Johnson wrote, > > "One that I warn you away

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread David
Hi again list, and thanks for the replies. My PC survived the upgrade to Unstable and actually has fewer problems than I did with Testing (besides a few xorg.conf and nvidia-xconfig issues, and 2 gtk libraries being held back due to dependancy problems). A follow-up for those packages I mentioned

Re: continuity of a topic in debian-user

2008-04-14 Thread peasthope
Vikki, Ron & others, At Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:55:16 -0500 Vikki Roemer wrote, "Because threading is done by message id (see headers) ..." At Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:27:58 -0500 Ron Johnson wrote, "One that I warn you away from, Peter, is slrn." Turns out that the Oberon MUA passes SMTP header parame

Re: Reg Blind

2008-04-14 Thread Brian McKee
On 14-Apr-08, at 9:58 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Perhaps debian should have an accessible install CD in addition to all the different DTE install CDs. E.g. one where sound works on most boxes and comes up with voice prompts automatically. Ideally, it would be a whole new installer with ques

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-04-14 19:24 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote: > Since when does apt-get automatically pull in recommended packages? > Quite frequently I see it recommend packages, but not automatically > pull them in. It does so by default since apt 0.7.7, October 2007. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMA

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/14/08 12:06, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2008-04-14 18:32 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 04/14/08 10:56, Sven Joachim wrote: >>> You know that all these packages are just recommendations and you do not >>> need to install all (not even any) of t

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-04-14 18:32 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/14/08 10:56, Sven Joachim wrote: >> You know that all these packages are just recommendations and you do not >> need to install all (not even any) of them? > > Maybe there's an ambiguity in what "*will* be installed" means? Probably not; if yo

Re: command line browser questions: - javascript - lynx history

2008-04-14 Thread Jasper
Daniel Dalton iinet.net.au> writes: > Does anyone know how I can view the lynx history? > So how can I see the prior websites accessed from say the last week? Lynx does not keep a history between sessions. Coockies can be set to be preserved, history not, afaik. You may keep a complete session b

Re: [OT] reStructured Text real world usage

2008-04-14 Thread Brian McKee
On 12-Apr-08, at 6:16 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:54:40AM -0400, Brian McKee wrote: On 9-Apr-08, at 11:12 PM, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: Hey Everyone, Inspired by the easy to use wiki syntax, I've been looking around for similar markups that allow for basic "rich text"

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/14/08 10:56, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2008-04-14 17:28 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 04/14/08 10:15, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: >>> There is also a command called grep-excuses which might be useful. See its >>> man page for more info. >>>

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-04-14 17:28 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/14/08 10:15, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: >> There is also a command called grep-excuses which might be useful. See its >> man page for more info. >> >> $grep-excuses nvidia-graphics-drivers > > This seems to be a great tool. Too bad it wants

Re: etch installation on Compaq Proliant ML350 fails

2008-04-14 Thread Micaela Gallerini
2008/4/14, Fabrizio Lippolis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am trying to install Debian etch on a Compaq Proliant ML350. During the > installation process some hardware is recognized, the network card too, and > gets an IP address from the DHCP server. Before partitioning, a message > appears saying that

etch installation on Compaq Proliant ML350 fails

2008-04-14 Thread Fabrizio Lippolis
I am trying to install Debian etch on a Compaq Proliant ML350. During the installation process some hardware is recognized, the network card too, and gets an IP address from the DHCP server. Before partitioning, a message appears saying that the installation procedure can't find the disks and a

Re: Man pages specification ?

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:55:20AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:34:39AM +0200, Sylvain wrote: > > I haven't seen section 7 for man which give all specifications. > I wonder if its in manpages-dev? not in etch: zgrep "groff_man" ~/ftp.it.debian.org/debian/dists/Deb

Re: command line browser questions: - javascript - lynx history

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:57:38AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > links2 in etch has a limited support for javascript > > It has been removed in newer versions (lenny) > js support, or links2? (links2 2.1pre33-1 is in Sid.) js. Sorry for my (very) bad english. As it was already written past month,

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/14/08 10:15, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: [snip] > > > There is also a command called grep-excuses which might be useful. See its > man page for more info. > > $grep-excuses nvidia-graphics-drivers This seems to be a great tool. Too bad it w

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
David wrote: > Something I've noticed with Testing/Lenny is that packages often > disappear for a short period (a few days or weeks) and then reappear. > A few current examples: xmms and nvidia-glx. If you look on > packages.debian.org they are in unstable and stable, but not testing. > comix was

Re: command line browser questions: - javascript - lynx history

2008-04-14 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:31:18 +0200 NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:06:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > great problem is that my consumer wireless AP / switch / router > > interfaces all require Javascript, > > I agree that this is a very bad thing. > >

Re: browsers have become memory hogs

2008-04-14 Thread Jean-Louis Crouzet
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 10:21, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote: [snip] Flash plugin (whatever the version) is always the root cause of my Which version? (I run Sid.) Iceweasel lock_up (due to swapping or other...) the number do not really matte

Re: command line browser questions: - javascript - lynx history

2008-04-14 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:57:38 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/14/08 07:52, NN_il_Confusionario wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:08:47PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote: > [snip] > >> Does anyone know of a command line browser

Re: command line browser questions: - javascript - lynx history

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:06:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > great problem is that my consumer wireless AP / switch / router > interfaces all require Javascript, I agree that this is a very bad thing. For my good luck, almost all such equipements with which I had to personally interact had also pa

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:40:33AM +0200, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Hi and thanks for your reply. > > > > > I'm not an expert, but I think that packages in testing are just that - > > under test. Not just the individual packages, but also how they fit in > > with other pac

Re: command line browser questions: - javascript - lynx history

2008-04-14 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:52:26 +0200 NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:08:47PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote: [snip] > > Does anyone know of a command line browser that supports javascript? > > links2 in etch has a limited support for javascript > > It has

Re: Reg Blind

2008-04-14 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 07:55:47PM +1000, Adrian Levi wrote: > On 14/04/2008, Jude DaShiell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > grml has xwindows components too provided you can figure out how to get them > > installed and talking. Since I have grml on a laptop and myself am totally > > blind that's th

Re: Read-only root (/) except /etc

2008-04-14 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:11:52AM -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:04:31 -0400 > "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 03:12:08PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > However, consider: as things stand now, only root can alter files >

Re: Man pages specification ?

2008-04-14 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:34:39AM +0200, Sylvain wrote: > I haven't seen section 7 for man which give all specifications. I wonder if its in manpages-dev? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: command line browser questions: - javascript - lynx history

2008-04-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/14/08 07:52, NN_il_Confusionario wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:08:47PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote: [snip] >> Does anyone know of a command line browser that supports javascript? > > links2 in etch has a limited support for javascript > >

Re: how to ::: installing debian in laptop

2008-04-14 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 14/04/2008, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SENTHIL KUMAR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > I have a DELL XPS M 1330 lap top. 32 bit . i have installed ubuntu, > > but not happy with it. i'm a newbie for linux. . i found that there is > > some drivers missing when tried to install deb

Re: 2.6.24.4+debian+openvz doesn't work with nvidia-glx

2008-04-14 Thread Alexander GQ Gerasiov
>After you recompile 2.6.24.4 (why not .5?) Ah, you right, that was 2.6.24.5 (I play with linux-2.6 source package.) >how do you install the nvidia driver? Don't worry, I know this part, aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.24-1-openvz-686 m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source -- Best regards, Alexander G

Re: how to ::: installing debian in laptop

2008-04-14 Thread s. keeling
SENTHIL KUMAR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I have a DELL XPS M 1330 lap top. 32 bit . i have installed ubuntu, > but not happy with it. i'm a newbie for linux. . i found that there is > some drivers missing when tried to install debian in te dell > laptop(network driver). is it some thing wrong in

Re: 2.6.24.4+debian+openvz doesn't work with nvidia-glx

2008-04-14 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Alexander GQ Gerasiov wrote: Hi, folks. I'm trying to switch my vserver installation to openvz, but meet some problems: I get openz's git, prepare a patch from it, then get debian kernel (2.6.24.4 + debian patches) and compile all this together. It looks like it works (I didn't test it well, b

Re: Read-only root (/) except /etc

2008-04-14 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:04:31 -0400 "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 03:12:08PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > I don't *need* things read-only. I would just rather not *need* to > > have my root filesystem read write. > > > > I gave some reasons abo

Re: command line browser questions: - javascript - lynx history

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:08:47PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote: > Does anyone know how I can view the lynx history? for me the backspace key works to see the history of the current lynx session > So how can I see the prior websites accessed from say the last week? >From time to time I manually sa

Re: Packages temporarily disappearing from Testing/Lenny

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:40:33AM +0200, David wrote: > I'll dist-upgrade my desktop from Testing to Unstable (crosses > fingers), install the missing packages, and then track (dist-upgrade > every few weeks) Testing again. You might also consider having both testing and unstable in /etc/apt/sour

Re: bug tracking, especially openoffice

2008-04-14 Thread Adam Hardy
NN_il_Confusionario on 14/04/08 11:55, wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:27:02AM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: NN_il_Confusionario on 13/04/08 17:11, wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 01:16:37PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464402 Tags: moreinfo; I don't

Re: gdm errors on shutdown

2008-04-14 Thread Rick Dooling
On Apr 13, 3:50 pm, Amit Uttamchandani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:54:16 -0700 (PDT) > Can you provide some details on the version of Debian you are running? Also > versions of gdm, kernel, etc... > Yes, I'm running Lenny 2.6.22-3-k7 on a 4 yr old AMD chip. Plenty of memo

command line browser questions: - javascript - lynx history

2008-04-14 Thread Daniel Dalton
Ok, not sure if this is OT, if it is please let me know and I'll gladly post somewhere else... If you could point me to somewhere else to ask that would also be appreciated. Ok my first question: Does anyone know how I can view the lynx history? So how can I see the prior websites accessed fro

Re: bug tracking, especially openoffice

2008-04-14 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:27:02AM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: > NN_il_Confusionario on 13/04/08 17:11, wrote: > >On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 01:16:37PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: > >>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464402 > > Tags: moreinfo; > I don't see how you know this person is the m

Re: Hidden processes....or not....using unhide package

2008-04-14 Thread Robin
On 13/04/2008, Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 05:31:53PM +0100, Robin wrote: > > On 13/04/2008, NN_il_Confusionario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 02:41:55PM +0100, Robin wrote: > > > > unhide proc :- Which gives intermittent hidden

Re: bug tracking, especially openoffice

2008-04-14 Thread Adam Hardy
Sven Joachim on 14/04/08 10:51, wrote: On 2008-04-14 11:19 +0200, Adam Hardy wrote: Paul Johnson on 13/04/08 18:43, wrote: On Sunday 13 April 2008 05:16:37 am Adam Hardy wrote: How do I do that - where do I look? Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] That gives me the following reply: <[EMAIL PROTEC

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