Re: laptop display (CORRECTION!)

2006-11-06 Thread Mark Grieveson
Mark Grieveson wrote: Mark Grieveson([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > Hello. I just installed Debian Etch on an old laptop (IBM Thinkpad > 770). It works okay, but the image is half the screen size. It's a > centred box within the larger screen. How do I make it full size?

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Hans du Plooy
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 12:33 -0700, Nate Duehr wrote: > serious money, serious effort, serious uptime -- similar to the Dilbert > Unix cartoon where the guy with the white hair, suspenders, and a smug > expression says, "Here's a nickel kid, get yourself a better computer.", > and tosses Dilbert

Re: laptop display

2006-11-06 Thread Mark Grieveson
Hello. I just installed Debian Etch on an old laptop (IBM Thinkpad 770). It works okay, but the image is half the screen size. It's a centred box within the larger screen. How do I make it full size? I tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", thinking that changing the resolution might hel

Re: cable modem connection slower then dial up

2006-11-06 Thread Zoran Kolic
> Ok. It seems that the internet is extremely fast when I use Mozilla > and extremely slow when I use Konqueror. I am still unable to telnet > www.google.com 80 get /. What machine exactly you have? If it is pentium I with 64 mb... KDE is ready to modern box, just as xp or vista. Fire up fv

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Zoran Kolic
> > Want REAL attitude? Try OpenBSD. Now THAT's an attitude. (And we'll > > leave it up to you to decide if it's good or bad... that's a judgement > > call I'm not prepared to discuss on a Linux list! GRIN...) Openbsd is not for newbies. Faq is must_to_read for it. > Don't think I would be u

Re: linux-image-2.6.16 not able to purge?

2006-11-06 Thread Deephay
On 11/7/06, Pollywog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 06 November 2006 19:36, David R. Litwin wrote: > On 06/11/06, Deephay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > I found that the linux-image-2.6.16 package on etch cannot be purged: > > I'm using Sid and can't purge the 2.6.17

Re: crazy screen

2006-11-06 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Douglas Tutty wrote: On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 11:53:58AM -0600, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello, I have just launch a diagnose software provided by Dell: the video memory seems corrupted (error in writting or reading). two days ago I plugged my daily updated Et

Re: elegance vs. one-lineness (Was: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines)

2006-11-06 Thread Russell L. Harris
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 01:34:30PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Depends on what you define as elegant. when I was learning to program (mid 80's), we considered anything outside of brute force to be elegant. Also, anything non-obvious was also considered el

Re: Why they are two directories for pkgconfig

2006-11-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 11:38:59AM +, Michael Ott wrote: > Hi! > > I found two directories for pkgconfig files. One is the normal one > /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ > and the other one is > /usr/share/pkgconfig > > Why that? Bug or feature? Dunno :-) > # ls /usr/share/pkgconfig > gnome-icon-theme.pc

Re: cannot ping my own machine

2006-11-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 10:06:32PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote: > schmity wrote: > >Ok, newbie here so go easy on me. > > > >In general, what type of files would I expect to find in the /etc > >directory? How would I have known to look in the /etc directory for > >the hosts file? > > > > > >

Re: i need ur help

2006-11-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 02:10:59AM -0800, Eeltje wrote: [..] > Then I decided to install Debian. I chose the 'testing' distribution. > Now I have it two years running and I am very satisfied. 'Testing' is > continuously updated, so you have very recent software. Moreover, the > updating is a conti

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 05:25:37PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 07:17:00PM +0800, Tim Post wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 00:32 -0800, David A. wrote: > > > > > Oh - attitude... I read aptitude! :P > > > I've been a debian-user 1.5 year now and my impression is that

Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 04:58:18PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Douglas Tutty wrote: > > Sometimes its too easy to keep trying to solve the wrong problem. > > True, but it sure does answer the question "How do you keep a programmer > geek busy?" :) > If you want to keep busy, write this in as

Re: google secrets (from what's up with all the attitude)

2006-11-06 Thread Andrew Ritchie
cothrige wrote: > The only observable difference seemed to be that the latter listed a time of .19 seconds whereas the former had .31 seconds. This may mean that the + just takes a tiny bit more time to process, assuming that these numbers mean that. I repeated this with etch and sid each plug

Re: elegance vs. one-lineness (Was: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines)

2006-11-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 01:34:30PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Depends on what you define as elegant. when I was learning to program (mid 80's), we considered anything outside of brute force to be elegant. Also, anything non-obvious was also considered elegant. Anything that used a side-eff

Re: "processor" acpi module permanently throttles processor

2006-11-06 Thread Ralph Katz
On 11/06/2006 03:30 PM, Owen Heisler wrote: > An old laptop I have supports ACPI, but when I use ACPI, the processor > becomes very slow. Without ACPI enabled, it runs fine. > > With ACPI on, /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling (I think that's > right) shows 8 states, with the highest one active

Re: google secrets (from what's up with all the attitude)

2006-11-06 Thread Ralph Katz
On 11/06/2006 08:00 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > The biggest help with Google is to quote a phrase--particularly output > from an error message--along with another term like Debian to zero in > on that needle in the Webstack. Exactly. Amazingly effective in many cases. Also useful: (If you forge

Re: google secrets (from what's up with all the attitude)

2006-11-06 Thread Kelly Clowers
On 11/6/06, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * cothrige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 06 18:37 -0600]: > * Andrew Ritchie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Nate Duehr wrote: > > > > > >(The "+" is a modifier for Google that allows you to give Google TWO > > >terms to search for together, usu

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread cothrige
* Nate Bargmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > That's why I like Speed Channel or ESPN this time of year--no campaign > ads. You've got to be kidding. What would TV be without campaign ads? I wish they would have a political ad channel so I can watch them all day throughout the year. Of course

Re: google secrets (from what's up with all the attitude)

2006-11-06 Thread cothrige
* Nate Bargmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > IIRC, Google made the + the default. I recall using search engines prior > to Google coming on the scene and the + was necessary to ensure both > terms were found in the results. Sadly, some current site specific > search engines are still brain dea

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 06 17:26 -0600]: > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > >As others have alluded to already, this list is subscribed to by many > >people from many different walks of life who hold many differing > >viewpoints. A great many of these subscribers live in the USA and wi

Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

2006-11-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Douglas Tutty wrote: > Sometimes its too easy to keep trying to solve the wrong problem. True, but it sure does answer the question "How do you keep a programmer geek busy?" :) -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream

Re: google secrets (from what's up with all the attitude)

2006-11-06 Thread Nate Bargmann
* cothrige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 06 18:37 -0600]: > * Andrew Ritchie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Nate Duehr wrote: > > > > > >(The "+" is a modifier for Google that allows you to give Google TWO > > >terms to search for together, usually a better result than just a few > > >words and a

Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Tutty
With all the permutations, especially around possible hyphenations, it starts to be easier to look at whatever is creating this hypothetical silly hyphenated file. (note its the file thats silly, not the hypothetical suggestion of hyphens). Sometimes its too easy to keep trying to solve the wrong

Re: crazy screen

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 11:53:58AM -0600, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > Jerome BENOIT wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I have just launch a diagnose software provided by Dell: > >the video memory seems corrupted (error in writting or reading). > two days ago I plugged my daily updated Etch laptop to an exte

Re: google secrets (from what's up with all the attitude)

2006-11-06 Thread cothrige
* Andrew Ritchie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Nate Duehr wrote: > > > >(The "+" is a modifier for Google that allows you to give Google TWO > >terms to search for together, usually a better result than just a few > >words and a single topic. topic 1 + topic 2 type of thing. "rsync" + > >"Debia

Re: google secrets (from what's up with all the attitude)

2006-11-06 Thread Andrew Ritchie
Nate Duehr wrote: (The "+" is a modifier for Google that allows you to give Google TWO terms to search for together, usually a better result than just a few words and a single topic. topic 1 + topic 2 type of thing. "rsync" + "Debian Sarge", you know... that sort of thing. Try it out, you'

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Bud Rogers
On Monday 06 November 2006 16:51, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all > > > RTFM with exact locations and nothin

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Nate Duehr
Nate Bargmann wrote: As others have alluded to already, this list is subscribed to by many people from many different walks of life who hold many differing viewpoints. A great many of these subscribers live in the USA and with another election cycle in progress a number of people have their dan

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Nate Duehr
Kevin Mark wrote: Hi Greg, I read a blog post which I think can enlighten the 'I googled and found nothing' issue. The post pointed out that two people google differently because not all of us have the same 'skill' at it. Thus if you google and get the answer, it is because you may have more 'go

Re: xorg , xfree86?

2006-11-06 Thread Paul E Condon
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 07:06:22PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 16:24:04 -, Thomas Dickey wrote: > > Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > > > for developers to contribute. Someone can make such a statement without > > > being an aspiring contributor himself. I see neither a "p

Re: What is this in my syslog????????

2006-11-06 Thread Jochen Schulz
M-L: > > My system is secure and in full stealth mode according to http://www.grc.com I cannot comment on your very strange log messages, but just as a side note: there is no such thing as "stealth mode" on the internet. Either your system behaves standards compliant and rejects connections on ev

Re: cable modem connection slower then dial up

2006-11-06 Thread Rodrigo Paes
On 6 Nov 2006 13:59:23 -0800 "schmity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok. It seems that the internet is extremely fast when I use Mozilla > and extremely slow when I use Konqueror. I am still unable to telnet > www.google.com 80 get /. seems like we are getting somewhere now... if browsing t

Skype via VNC

2006-11-06 Thread Peter Easthope
Hello Debian users, Skype 1.3.0.53 works well under Etch and kernel 2.6.16 here. Mostly I prefer to use the system via VNC from another machine but Skype refuses to start for the VNC client. (The cable of the headset reaches easily.) Is this a restriction coded in Skype? Does anyone know know

Re: Mailman with Apache 2 on Sarge

2006-11-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 05:35:44AM -0800, SAJChurchey wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm trying to install mailman 2.1.5-8sarge5 onto a system with apache2 > 2.0.54-5 and postfix 2.1.5-9. I've scoured the internet for HOWTOs on > how to set this up, and either they do not work with this version of

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:21:25AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > There's something that's always bothered me -- how many developers write > usable documentation? And how many technical writers are capable of > digging through code and descussions on -devel mailing lists to extract > the

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Nate Bargmann
* ChadDavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 05 21:02 -0600]: > I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've > recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent > and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around > here. Have the threads I read en

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM with > > exact locations and nothing else. > > If that is the case, the developers need to rewr

Re: cable modem connection slower than dial up

2006-11-06 Thread Russell L. Harris
If there is any question concerning the router, and if you have a spare machine with a pair of ethernet cards, download an ISO image of SmoothWall Express 2.0 (www.smoothwall.org), burn a CD, install SmoothWall on the spare machine, and see whether the situation improves. Installation of Smoot

How to install frontpage extensions for apache2

2006-11-06 Thread david robert
Hi Guys,   I want to install frontpage extensions for apache2 for my debian based hosting server.Can some one point me the right direction which packages i need to install or how to install this.   Thanks for your help Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to u

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 12:33:40PM -0700, Nate Duehr wrote: > David A. wrote: > > >BUT.. There is some sour itchy feelings regarding some plicy/political > >stuff and diffrences in opinion. I've also felt "debian morale" going > >down. But my impression is that the huge bulk, the big momentum of >

Re: cable modem connection slower then dial up

2006-11-06 Thread schmity
Ok. It seems that the internet is extremely fast when I use Mozilla and extremely slow when I use Konqueror. I am still unable to telnet www.google.com 80 get /. > I've seen your ping results. Better than > my probes. > To debug this issue, power down all devi- > ces. Computers, router, mode

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 07:17:00PM +0800, Tim Post wrote: > On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 00:32 -0800, David A. wrote: > > > Oh - attitude... I read aptitude! :P > > I've been a debian-user 1.5 year now and my impression is that the > > comunity is big and lot's of competent and experienced people - mostl

Re: the look of the bash

2006-11-06 Thread Kay Smarczewski
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 12:20:54AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 12:45:02AM +0100, Kay Smarczewski wrote: > > > As far as the cursor (which I was wondering if I could change my > > > self). > > > /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.6.8/Documentation/VGA-softcursor.txt.gz > > > >

Re: cable modem connection slower than dial up

2006-11-06 Thread Miles Bader
Rodrigo Paes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> PING www.l.google.com (66.249.89.104): 56 data bytes >> 64 bytes from 66.249.89.104: icmp_seq=0 ttl=243 time=15.3 ms >> 64 bytes from 66.249.89.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=16.6 ms >> 64 bytes from 66.249.89.104: icmp_seq=2 ttl=243 time=16.7 ms >> 64 byte

Re: Problem with system clock drift

2006-11-06 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 21:33 +0100, Franck PASSELEGUE wrote: > Hello, > > I'm running Debian sarge Rc3 on a new computer. An Intel celeron 3Ghz. > I don't understand why the time (given by date() commande) is completly > false. > The drift of the system clock is about 10min after 2 hours !! > >

Re: cable modem connection slower than dial up

2006-11-06 Thread Rodrigo Paes
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 06:40:44 +0900 Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PING www.l.google.com (66.249.89.104): 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 66.249.89.104: icmp_seq=0 ttl=243 time=15.3 ms > 64 bytes from 66.249.89.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=16.6 ms > 64 bytes from 66.249.89.104: icmp_seq=

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Kevin Mark
> It is not that we have an attitude, just that better than 90% of the > questions asked on Debian-User have been asked before and have solutions > already in the archive. Nearly everyone asking questions says "I search > the archives" or "I've Googled for this". This then also leads us to be > sus

Re: cable modem connection slower than dial up

2006-11-06 Thread Miles Bader
Rodrigo Paes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "schmity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping www.google.com >> PING www.l.google.com (216.239.37.104) 56(84) bytes of data. >> 64 bytes from 216.239.37.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=241 time=78.5 ms >> 64 bytes from 216.239.37.104: icmp_seq=2 tt

elegance vs. one-lineness (Was: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines)

2006-11-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Douglas Tutty wrote: > After thinking about it, yes it can all go in one line. Its more > elegant and doesn't use up memory space but its harder to read to > understand what its doing. Depends on what you define as elegant. I dropped Perl several years ago in preference to Python because I f

Re: crazy screen

2006-11-06 Thread Sylvain Le Gall
On 06-11-2006, Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jerome BENOIT wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have just launch a diagnose software provided by Dell: >> the video memory seems corrupted (error in writting or reading). >> >> What may I do ? >> >> Jerome >> >> Jerome BENOIT wrote: >>> Hello, >>>

Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

2006-11-06 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 05:21:23PM +1100, John O'Hagan wrote: > On Sunday 05 November 2006 16:42, John O'Hagan wrote: > > On Sunday 05 November 2006 09:03, Ken Irving wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:56:12PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 08:27:42PM +, michae

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-06 Thread Matthew Krauss
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/06 12:53, Matthew Krauss wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Coolness, sounds like good news for your career too! This reminded me, I was in a casino and saw a video slot machine cra

Re: xorg , xfree86?

2006-11-06 Thread Thomas Dickey
Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 16:24:04 -, Thomas Dickey wrote: >> Florian Kulzer wrote: >> >> > for developers to contribute. Someone can make such a statement without >> > being an aspiring contributor himself. I see neither a "promise" nor a >> > "lie" i

Problem with system clock drift

2006-11-06 Thread Franck PASSELEGUE
Hello, I'm running Debian sarge Rc3 on a new computer. An Intel celeron 3Ghz. I don't understand why the time (given by date() commande) is completly false. The drift of the system clock is about 10min after 2 hours !! I tried to start my computer from a live Cd (ubuntu 6.10) and it seems to

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread celejar
On 11/6/06, Steve Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 03:23:27PM -0500, celejar wrote: > One of the most intelligent soliloquies I've seen in a while. I'm glad you liked it. I wish you'd trimmed it from your reply so we didn't have to read it twice. Steve Sorry. Celej

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Steve Kemp
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 03:23:27PM -0500, celejar wrote: > One of the most intelligent soliloquies I've seen in a while. I'm glad you liked it. I wish you'd trimmed it from your reply so we didn't have to read it twice. Steve -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread celejar
On 11/6/06, Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David A. wrote: > BUT.. There is some sour itchy feelings regarding some plicy/political > stuff and diffrences in opinion. I've also felt "debian morale" going > down. But my impression is that the huge bulk, the big momentum of > Debian keeps o

how to print documentation in "info" format

2006-11-06 Thread Russell L. Harris
How may I print a copy of documentation in the info format Regrettably (and, I think, stupidly) some packages are documented solely with info and lack a man page. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

"processor" acpi module permanently throttles processor

2006-11-06 Thread Owen Heisler
An old laptop I have supports ACPI, but when I use ACPI, the processor becomes very slow. Without ACPI enabled, it runs fine. With ACPI on, /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling (I think that's right) shows 8 states, with the highest one active. The highest one is not 100% though, rather 80% or

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread cothrige
* Nate Duehr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip] > > Want REAL attitude? Try OpenBSD. Now THAT's an attitude. (And we'll > leave it up to you to decide if it's good or bad... that's a judgement > call I'm not prepared to discuss on a Linux list! GRIN...) Don't think I would be up for that one.

Re: xscreensaver

2006-11-06 Thread Owen Heisler
On 11/5/06, Sven Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 2006-11-04 at 19:55 -0500, Mark Grieveson wrote: > I'm finding that when I play defendguin in fullscreen mode, it will > freeze, and then go into a window. I think that xscreensaver is > assuming things are idle, and is trying to star

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 12:33:40PM -0700, Nate Duehr wrote: > David A. wrote: > > > I don't think it's just Debian's morale that's low -- the "hype" > surrounding Linux overall is down, the real world problems of operating > Linux in business have cooled the general hub-bub about Linux and > d

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 11:40:27PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:57:16PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote: > > I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've > > recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent > > and helpful. But what's w

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Pollywog
On Monday 06 November 2006 19:40, Nate Duehr wrote: > Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > If that is the case, the developers need to rewrite the manual in a way > > which is understood by others. The content is probably OK but may need > > reorganization. Getting RTFM questions does not always mean tha

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Nate Duehr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's something that's always bothered me -- how many developers write usable documentation? And how many technical writers are capable of digging through code and descussions on -devel mailing lists to extract the information that needs to be written? I suspect th

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/06 12:53, Matthew Krauss wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: >> Ron Johnson wrote: >> [snip] > Coolness, sounds like good news for your career too! This reminded me, > I was in a casino and saw a video slot machine crash -- someone came by > and reb

Re: linux-image-2.6.16 not able to purge?

2006-11-06 Thread Pollywog
On Monday 06 November 2006 19:36, David R. Litwin wrote: > On 06/11/06, Deephay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > I found that the linux-image-2.6.16 package on etch cannot be purged: > > I'm using Sid and can't purge the 2.6.17 kernel, for what that's worth. I > get the same er

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Nate Duehr
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: If that is the case, the developers need to rewrite the manual in a way which is understood by others. The content is probably OK but may need reorganization. Getting RTFM questions does not always mean that the reader is/was lazy to search for answers... Feel free

Re: linux-image-2.6.16 not able to purge?

2006-11-06 Thread David R. Litwin
On 06/11/06, Deephay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greetings all,I found that the linux-image-2.6.16 package on etch cannot be purged:I'm using Sid and can't purge the 2.6.17 kernel, for what that's worth. I get the same error message (code 128). -- —A watched bread-crumb never boils.—My hover-craft i

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Nate Duehr
David A. wrote: BUT.. There is some sour itchy feelings regarding some plicy/political stuff and diffrences in opinion. I've also felt "debian morale" going down. But my impression is that the huge bulk, the big momentum of Debian keeps on turning and monving in the right direction. No "medium s

Re: keeps servers consistant (debs)

2006-11-06 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 05:45:01PM -0800, Jason Morehouse wrote: > Hello, > > Just wondering if there is an existing solution (or home-rolled script) > to keep packages consistent across multiple servers. > > The standard repositories are fine, and caching isn't needed (ala > apt-proxy), as the

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Chuck Hallenbeck
Hi, On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:57:16PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote: > I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've > recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent > and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around > here. Have the threads I re

Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

2006-11-06 Thread Matthew Krauss
Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: But because of their lock on the desktop, they also have incredible userland and developer mindshare. You sure? I had a rather interesting conversation at work the other day. I work at a casino outside of Vegas and the guy in charge of what te

Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

2006-11-06 Thread Ken Irving
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 07:55:02AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 01:00:34AM +1100, John O'Hagan wrote: > > On Monday 06 November 2006 18:38, David Jardine wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 11:27:58AM +1100, John O'Hagan wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > E.g., if

Re: audio cd and system freeze

2006-11-06 Thread Victor Munoz
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 03:48:15PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote: > > > > Anyway, that's the situation. Any help? Thanks in advance, > Problems with cdparanoia. Downgrade and it works > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391901 > Ok, I'm not alone. Thanks for the tip! [Though probab

Re: xorg , xfree86?

2006-11-06 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 16:24:04 -, Thomas Dickey wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > for developers to contribute. Someone can make such a statement without > > being an aspiring contributor himself. I see neither a "promise" nor a > > "lie" in what he writes. > > The lie was this: stating

Re: crazy screen

2006-11-06 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello, I have just launch a diagnose software provided by Dell: the video memory seems corrupted (error in writting or reading). What may I do ? Jerome Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello, thanks for your answer: unfortunately I am now far away from the external screen (this hap

Re: DVD playback problems

2006-11-06 Thread Piers Kittel
Andrew, Thanks very much for replying to my email. I appreciate it. I think what really matters is the permissions on /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc depending on how you're set up. check those. they should be root:cdrom. Also, what mechanism are you using for mounting these disks? You may have to monk

Re: crazy screen

2006-11-06 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello, I have just launch a diagnose software provided by Dell: the video memory seems corrupted (error in writting or reading). What may I do ? Jerome Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello, thanks for your answer: unfortunately I am now far away from the external screen (this happened during a worksho

Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

2006-11-06 Thread Paul E Condon
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 01:00:34AM +1100, John O'Hagan wrote: > On Monday 06 November 2006 18:38, David Jardine wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 11:27:58AM +1100, John O'Hagan wrote: > > [...] > > > > E.g., if IN contains: > > > > > > junk info 18 Pro > > > > But what if that line were: > > > >

Re: What is this in my syslog????????

2006-11-06 Thread W Paul Mills
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M-L wrote: > I have this in my syslog while downloading the latest updates from Debian? > > My computer drops off the modem. the modem is still connected but ppp is not, > the computer doesn't respond to being on the net/ > > I don't use chat and wo

Re: sony sucks

2006-11-06 Thread Rick Reynolds
Brent Clark wrote: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=0&products_id=1467&; Wow, this is a bummer. I only consider myself a "moderate" gamer (I'm mostly into gaming of the style that I grew up with -- early to mid-80's games) but even I've bought a few things from lik-sang. I'm sad t

Re: C++ exception handling question

2006-11-06 Thread Michael Marsh
On 11/6/06, Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for stack profiling info. I wonder if this _is_ a reportable bug. After all, there is a lot of information on the 'bad_alloc' exception in various sources. If GNU C++ library doesn't try to throw this exception until it is too late for t

Re: C++ exception handling question

2006-11-06 Thread Paul E Condon
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:04:15AM -0500, Michael Marsh wrote: > On 11/5/06, Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I've written a program in C++ using STL for some fairly > >tricky simulation work. The program works, but fails > >during initialization for some choices of input parameters. > >

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Joe
Greg Folkert wrote: It is not that we have an attitude, just that better than 90% of the questions asked on Debian-User have been asked before and have solutions already in the archive. Nearly everyone asking questions says "I search the archives" or "I've Googled for this". This then also leads

Re: xorg , xfree86?

2006-11-06 Thread Thomas Dickey
Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > for developers to contribute. Someone can make such a statement without > being an aspiring contributor himself. I see neither a "promise" nor a > "lie" in what he writes. The lie was this: stating that it was not allowed to happen. Anytime the topic c

about slow connection on debian vs xp

2006-11-06 Thread Zoran Kolic
> Forgive me for jumping in like this. I have no idea what the original > querier's problem is, save the quotation above. Given that, I wish to state > the following: > I too had this problem. I got rid of dhcp, chucked the /etc/resolv.conf > file's content and let pppoeconf do the rest. This may b

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 11:40:27PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:57:16PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote: > > I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've > > recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent > > and helpful. But what's w

Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

2006-11-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 01:00:34AM +1100, John O'Hagan wrote: > On Monday 06 November 2006 18:38, David Jardine wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 11:27:58AM +1100, John O'Hagan wrote: > > [...] > > > > E.g., if IN contains: > > > > > > junk info 18 Pro > > > > But what if that line were: > > > >

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 10:21 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > > > > > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM with > > > exact locations

Re: Making an ext2 filesystem on a DVD+RW

2006-11-06 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > IIRC, you can only use iso9660 or udf filesystems on DVD or CD media. Except for DVD-Ram media. I successfully use ext2 on DVD-Ram. :-) Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread hendrik
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM with > > exact locations and nothing else. > > If that is the case, the developers need to rewr

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread hendrik
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 08:09:50AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Kent West wrote: > >ChadDavis wrote: > >>But what's with all the attitude people flash around here. > > > >We're people; people are imperfect. > > > > Correction: most people seem to be imperfect. > (Need to be accurate here ;-) )

RE: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Stephen Yorke
If it wasn't for a little attitude we wouldn't get along so well. From: Roberto C. Sanchez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 11/5/2006 11:40 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: what's up with all the attitude On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:57:16PM -0

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread hendrik
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM with > > exact locations and nothing else. > > If that is the case, the developers need to rewr

Re: Mailman with Apache 2 on Sarge

2006-11-06 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 05:35:44AM -0800, SAJChurchey wrote: Hi, > I'm trying to install mailman 2.1.5-8sarge5 onto a system with apache2 > 2.0.54-5 and postfix 2.1.5-9. I've scoured the internet for HOWTOs on > how to set this up, and either they do not work with this version of > Debian, or I'm

Re: cable modem connection slower than dial up

2006-11-06 Thread schmity
Ok I added the following line in my /etc/network/interfaces file auto eth0 ... ... up ifconfig mtu 1450 after doing a ifdown -a and ifup -a I could verify the mtu by ifconfig -a. I tried 1450, 1400, 1300, 1200, .700. None of which seemed to help. how do I check on the ipv6 packet? Ken Irv

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Tim Post
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 08:09 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Kent West wrote: > > ChadDavis wrote: > >> But what's with all the attitude people flash around here. > > > > We're people; people are imperfect. > > > > Correction: most people seem to be imperfect. > (Need to be accurate here ;-) ) >

Re: what's up with all the attitude

2006-11-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote: > > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM with > exact locations and nothing else. If that is the case, the developers need to rewrite the manual in a way which is understood by others. The content is probably OK

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