Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-17 Thread Chris Cheney
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 08:25:02PM +0200, Dominique Devriese wrote: -snip- > About the issues we were discussing: > > * get rid of non-mt packages > -> Could save quite some buildd time, but might upset some people > still depending on it. I wouldn't do it yet for Qt 3.0 > personally.

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-16 Thread Brian Nelson
Dominique Devriese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson writes: > > Summarizing: Qt is a very complex package, and there are good > reasons for most, if not all split-ups. >>> I'm still unconvinced of that. >>> >>> Fine, I'm not going to keep arguing with you over this. IMHO, a

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-16 Thread Dominique Devriese
Brian Nelson writes: Summarizing: Qt is a very complex package, and there are good reasons for most, if not all split-ups. >> >>> I'm still unconvinced of that. >> >> Fine, I'm not going to keep arguing with you over this. IMHO, as >> you've demonstrated above, you don't seem to know Qt

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-16 Thread Brian Nelson
Dominique Devriese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson writes: > >> Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 05:43:33PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: Why do you insist so stubbornly on maintaining the package? You don't take very good care of it, and

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-16 Thread Brian Nelson
Dominique Devriese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> One of the reasons I'm so ornery when it comes to the Debian Qt >> packages is that much of this stuff was discussed before the split >> and there seemed to be a consensus that there were a lot of problems >> with it, yet it was done anyway without

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-16 Thread Ben Burton
> > For instance, you could put #warning pragmas at the top of each > > obsolete header so that the compiler spits out a warning when one is > > used. > > I personally fail to see how this would be superior rather than > complementary. 1. it achieves the original aim of alerting developers to th

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-16 Thread Dominique Devriese
Brian Nelson writes: qt3-apps-dev: stuff you need when you're going to be doing special things with embedding Qt designer and stuff. Almost noone needs this. >> >>> "Special things"? What the hell are "special things"? >> >> As I said: embedding Qt designer and stuff. >> >>> And t

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-16 Thread Dominique Devriese
Brian Nelson writes: > Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 05:43:33PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >>> >>> Why do you insist so stubbornly on maintaining the package? You >>> don't take very good care of it, and you've said in the past that >>> you don't even do any

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Brian Nelson
Dominique Devriese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson writes: > >>> qt3-dev-tools: a number of binaries ( note: architecture dependent, >>> so you don't want them in an arch independent headers package ) for >>> normal development with Qt > >> Who said we need a arch-indep headers package

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Brian Nelson
Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 05:43:33PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> >> Why do you insist so stubbornly on maintaining the package? You don't >> take very good care of it, and you've said in the past that you don't >> even do any Qt development. > > If you

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Brian Nelson
Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> You also seem to ignore non-multithreaded use of the qt libraries, >> even though there are still applications depending on this. You seem >> to not want to support embedded cross-development, again without >> considering people who need this. > > There

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 05:43:33PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > > Why do you insist so stubbornly on maintaining the package? You don't > take very good care of it, and you've said in the past that you don't > even do any Qt development. If you saw Qt before a few of us beat on it around April 2

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 02:40:57PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> >> Also, you must only be talking about qt3-assistant, qt3-qtconfig, > >> >> qt3-linguist, and qt3-designer. > >> > > >> >> What you've said doesn't apply to headers, and who the h

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 11:08:52AM +0200, Dominique Devriese wrote: > Brian Nelson writes: > > >> qt3-dev-tools: a number of binaries ( note: architecture dependent, > >> so you don't want them in an arch independent headers package ) for > >> normal development with Qt > > > Who said we need a a

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Brian Nelson
Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 02:40:57PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> If your Qt package were properly maintained, I wouldn't bother you with >> > So you admit you are bothering? That's a point to start.

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Christopher Martin
On June 15, 2004 18:27, Martin Loschwitz wrote: > The only serious trouble in Qt3 until some days ago was that XCursor > made it imposslbe to compile Qt3. Nothing else. You need to distinguish > between "I think they are poorly maintained" and "they are poorly > maintained". I'm not qualified to j

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Brian Nelson
Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Also, you must only be talking about qt3-assistant, qt3-qtconfig, >> >> qt3-linguist, and qt3-designer. >> > >> >> What you've said doesn't apply to headers, and who the hell knows >> >> what the difference between qt3-dev-tools, qt3-apps-dev, e

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Martin Loschwitz
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 02:40:57PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If your Qt package were properly maintained, I wouldn't bother you with > So you admit you are bothering? That's a point to start. > this. However, I think it's been in quite poor con

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Martin Loschwitz
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 10:14:29AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Dominique Devriese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Brian Nelson writes: > > > IMO, the reason for the missing files is the ridiculous number of > superfluous packages Qt has been split into. Is it really > necessary

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-15 Thread Dominique Devriese
Brian Nelson writes: >> qt3-dev-tools: a number of binaries ( note: architecture dependent, >> so you don't want them in an arch independent headers package ) for >> normal development with Qt > Who said we need a arch-indep headers package anyway? I don't know > of any other library packages in

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-14 Thread Brian Nelson
Dominique Devriese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson writes: > IMO, the reason for the missing files is the ridiculous number of superfluous packages Qt has been split into. Is it really necessary to have libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-headers, libqt3-compat-headers, qt3-dev-t

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-14 Thread Dominique Devriese
Brian Nelson writes: >>> IMO, the reason for the missing files is the ridiculous number of >>> superfluous packages Qt has been split into. Is it really >>> necessary to have libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-headers, >>> libqt3-compat-headers, qt3-dev-tools, qt3-designer, qt3-apps-dev, >>> qt3-linguist, qt3

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-13 Thread Brian Nelson
Dominique Devriese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson writes: > >> Christopher Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> On June 13, 2004 12:44, Brian Nelson wrote: For one, they're missing the qaccessible.h header. It appears to missing from the 3.2.3 packages as well. >>> >>> Mar

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-13 Thread Dominique Devriese
Brian Nelson writes: > Christopher Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On June 13, 2004 12:44, Brian Nelson wrote: >>> For one, they're missing the qaccessible.h header. It appears to >>> missing from the 3.2.3 packages as well. >> >> Martin, there seem to be a few other bugs open regarding mis

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-13 Thread Brian Nelson
Christopher Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On June 13, 2004 12:44, Brian Nelson wrote: >> For one, they're missing the qaccessible.h header. It appears to >> missing from the 3.2.3 packages as well. > > Martin, there seem to be a few other bugs open regarding missing files. > qvfbhdr.h is

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-13 Thread Christopher Martin
On June 13, 2004 12:44, Brian Nelson wrote: > For one, they're missing the qaccessible.h header. It appears to > missing from the 3.2.3 packages as well. Martin, there seem to be a few other bugs open regarding missing files. qvfbhdr.h is missing - #182366. tabwidget.png should also allegedly ex

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-13 Thread Brian Nelson
Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Developers, please test these packages heavily and report anything you see -- > whether the packages work fine, whether they fix bugs you reported before, and > of course whether they rise new bugs. There are some minor things on my TODO; > if these

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-13 Thread Dominique Devriese
Christopher Martin writes: > Generally, there are a large number of bugs open that should be > dealt with one way or another - people have requested dbg packages, Just a note that I maintain unofficial debug packages of qt, kdelibs, kdebase and occasionally ( when I happen to build them ) other k

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-13 Thread Dominique Devriese
Christopher Martin writes: > Hello, Thanks for making these packages available. They're working > very well, but I did notice a few small things. Dito, thanks a lot for reconsidering, Martin. > libqt3-mt-dev now pulls in several database libraries. Is this > avoidable somehow? Agree with this.

Re: Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-13 Thread Christopher Martin
Hello, Thanks for making these packages available. They're working very well, but I did notice a few small things. libqt3-mt-dev now pulls in several database libraries. Is this avoidable somehow? Also, the Kmenu now has a problem wherein there is a gap between it and its submenus. Also, the

Announcing the availability of first Qt 3.3 packages

2004-06-13 Thread Martin Loschwitz
Fellow users, fellow developers! I am proud to announce the availability of official Qt 3.3 beta packages for the Debian GNU/Linux Distribution. The packages have version 3.3.2-0pre1 and have been uploaded to the experimental-archive some hours ago. As they contain new components (database plug