Re: Requests for my bachelor thesis

2024-04-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Igor, Late answer here, but I thought it might still be useful: On Sat, Mar 09, 2024 at 11:21:40AM +, Igor Lewandowski wrote: >Good morning, > >I am a third year undergraduate history student from Adam Mickiewicz >University in Poznan, Poland. My bachelor thesis is related to

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 02:28:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 07:11:11PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > > >The mission you have chosen for yourself, then, is to identify all those > > >things in the Debian distribution that are not constitutive of an > > >operating s

Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

2022-12-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 11:18:48AM +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > "Roberto A. Foglietta" wrote on 20/11/2022 at > 22:14:35+0100: > > > On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 at 21:42, G. Branden Robinson > > wrote: > > > >> Thank you for, perhaps inadvertently, compelling me to review some of > >> the conte

Re: Multi-package projects

2022-10-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Oct 08, 2022 at 08:06:33AM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote: > > [...] > > > > Here are things I think the RT style composition has going for it. > > > > [... long list of praise for the RT ...] > > > > Hi, > > I agree that the RT has a long list of pros for this role. However, I feel > this

Re: Multi-package projects

2022-10-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 07, 2022 at 09:13:56PM +0200, Timo Röhling wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst [2022-10-07 19:58]: > > I'm not sure I agree with that assessment. I believe DEPs are mostly for > > discussing changes that can then be voluntarily implemented by > > individual package ma

Re: Multi-package projects

2022-10-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Ansgar, On Fri, Oct 07, 2022 at 02:07:55PM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > On Fri, 2022-10-07 at 13:37 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > - After the merits and problems of the proposed new projects are > >   discussed, the release team decides which projects are accepted for > &g

Re: Multi-package projects

2022-10-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 07, 2022 at 02:21:04PM +0200, Timo Röhling wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > * Wouter Verhelst [2022-10-07 13:37]: > > I've given this some thought over the past few days, and have come up > > with something that I believe might work, and I would like to submit it >

Re: Multi-package projects

2022-10-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 07, 2022 at 05:54:40PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > - After the merits and problems of the proposed new projects are > > discussed, the release team decides which projects are accepted for > > the next release. > > (I specifically do not mention what rules the release team shou

Multi-package projects

2022-10-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, Debian does not have a good way to manage projects that require changes to large numbers of source packages to be successful. Handling projects like that currently requires buy-in from each individual package maintainer; if the project does not manage to convince sufficient numbers of maintain

Re: Fwd: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

2022-09-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:51:03PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/15/22 8:33 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Or maybe the problem is that you want to be able to tell people what to > > do, but you don't want to have to pay them? If so, uh, good luck with > > that! > > > > I am sorry you misund

Re: Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 08:02:56AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > May I remind you that I am NOT banned from the project, but "ONLY" > demoted to DM! Yes, indeed; my mistake. > Since my emails are not delivered to d-p, I ask you to revert your > statement on d-p, since it is a lie. No, it is n

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 03:45:50PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Norbert was banned from Debian by the people who are delegated to make > that decision. He was banned from contributing to, and communicating > with, Debian. It was pointed out to me (by multiple people) that the last par

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 02:51:10PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 08:38:02AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > > Can we delete him from planet? > > > > Any DD can do that... oh wait that includes me... done! > > I went bold and reverted this removal; the detailed reason why

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:35:18AM +0100, Gerardo Ballabio wrote: > I actually believe it would be quite problematic if any single DD were > allowed to take actions on another contributor based on their own > judgment. That does include the DPL. §5.1.4 isn't applicable here, > because there is some

Re: Debian logo

2021-11-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 04:40:07PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 11:03:08AM -0400, Joshua Allen wrote: > > Dear debian, > > I was wondering if the logo was inspired by bdale garbee's tie dye shirt? > > > > Thanks > > Josh > > It was subject to a Debian vote in 1999 - h

Re: Debian for flash usb, external hdd or ssd

2021-06-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Caio, On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 07:08:08PM +, caio santos da silva wrote: >Hi Debian Team > >My is Caio and I have a little idea for Debian system. My idea to you is >the creation of a system exclusive for Flash USB, external HDD or SSD. >Already exist the GNU/Linux Slax, suc

Re: [External] Re: Debian and fingerprint readers

2021-03-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 05, 2021 at 06:13:58PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Mark" == Mark Pearson writes: > > Mark> It's just a case of needing the libfprint and fprintd packages > Mark> installed and then under settings->user you can start > Mark> registering your prints. > > Right, and t

Re: Debian and fingerprint readers

2021-03-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 04:55:21PM +0100, William Bonnet wrote: > Hi, > > > Yes, and we should do that in a way so that our users are not subject to > > those attacks by default, but can still log in to their system by using > > a biometric sensor, if the laptop provides that feature and they want

Re: Debian and fingerprint readers

2021-03-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 05:57:15PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > The parts of Debian that are trying to do that are some of the desktop > environments. So, I'd approach the maintainers of Gnome and KDE and > see if they are interested in recommending this functionality. It could also be added to th

Re: Debian and fingerprint readers

2021-03-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 05:48:32AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 9:12 PM Mark Pearson wrote: > > > Is there any interest, as fingerprint reader functionality is now > > improving so much on Linux, to have these packages installed by default? > > Biometrics are almost always us

Re: Proposal to deprecate and remove mailing list specific code of conduct

2020-11-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Andrew, On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 08:12:35PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Folks, > > We currently have a minimal Debian mailing list code of conduct at > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists which is, essentially, > primarily tips on how to format email. At the same time, we have the > main

Re: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 08:39:02PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Federico Ceratto (2020-08-17 20:17:49) > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 5:40 PM Roberto C. Sánchez > > wrote: > > > Perhaps instead of requiring "a valid DD signature" as the basis for > > > "important" project actions (e.g., u

Re: Bits from the DPL For December 2019

2020-01-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 08:26:45AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > TL;DR: I think we need a team to focus training and skill sharing even > if we try and drive community wide change. > I try to explore when splitting off meta issues is a good idea. > > >>>>> &q

Re: Bits from the DPL For December 2019

2020-01-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Sam, On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 02:29:31PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > Seeking Volunteers for Deescalation > === > > While discussing the role of the Community Team, I talked about my > desire for the community team to help deescalate conflict. I used the > dread

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2020-01-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
(sorry for the very very late reply -- catching up on email) On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 01:37:57PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Iustin" == Iustin Pop writes: > Iustin> I also wonder why the diversity statement is not integrated > Iustin> into the CoC directly - maybe, for example, as a

Re: Sponsored Content for planet.debian.org

2019-12-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 10:16:31PM -0800, Risa Alba wrote: > Hi, > > Hope you're doing well. I just want to get an update regarding the email I > sent > you a couple of days ago about Sponsored Content. I understand you are busy > but > I hope you get a chance to read this email and respond to m

Re: Community Team - where we want to go

2019-11-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Steve, On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 10:26:39PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: [...] > Responsibilities include > > > * Interpreting the Code of Conduct; I have to say that it was never my intention that there be one team that would have the power to "interpret" the Code of

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:37:58PM +, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > I would not like to make cooperation with upstream more complicated. > > I agree with that. However, I'm not sure if it would make it harder. How does > this cooperation work, where you need your packaging to be on the same host a

Re: Debian Videos

2019-07-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Sam, On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 09:50:09PM +0200, Kyle Robbertze wrote: > Hi Sam, > > On 2019/06/28 21:05, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > If we did succeed in something like this I'm imagining releasing content > > both on a libre platform of some kind as well as youtube. > > Mostly I

Re: Hardware Support

2019-05-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Evrim, On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 10:41:03PM +0300, Evrim Erdil wrote: > Hi. I'm using creative audigy fx sound card on my pc. I have surround sound > problem on debian releases after debian 8. Dummy output and no sound. Please > help me to solve this problem. First of all, this mailinglist is no

Re: RFA: rtc.debian.org

2019-05-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 05:13:10PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I have tried but failed at using the service. Same here. Unfortunately, my experience with rtc.d.o have been less than stellar: - The Jabber service is a spamtrap these days. When I contacted the maintainers about that, they s

Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

2019-01-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 11:08:12AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 11:27:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > With this message we define a way to appeal a DAM action, > > I'm treating this as if it's a first draft and open to comment. > > > 1. Appealing DAM decisions > > --

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jan 05, 2019 at 04:24:32PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Saturday, January 05, 2019 08:42:57 PM Sean Whitton wrote: > > Hello Russ, Scott, > > > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 11:44am -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > Scott Kitterman writes: > > >> I am concerned about Debian becoming over-p

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 12:04:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: [...] > maybe I should also consider > staying a bit more quiet. I don't have to; I can just speak my mind > anyway, but when I do, there's a higher than normal chance I might need to > apologize afterwards. Well, maybe not in your cas

Re: Planet Debian revisions

2019-01-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 02:37:00PM +, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > Hi! > > Jonathan Carter: > > > I think that it might be beneficial to revisit the rules of Planet > > Debian and fortify it a bit. > > Thanks for this initiative. > > > The Planet's rules aren't that bad, it's quite liberal; any de

Re: Censorship in Debian

2018-12-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 07:48:40AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Of course, I don't think Norbert was literal characterizing the > situation as a gulag. I don't think anybody here thought he was. I > don't think Norbert expected anybody to have an image of him starving > to death or chilled in the st

Re: hacking a home with free technology and Debian

2018-09-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 04:49:10PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > The software also comes with a browser-based UI to manually control > lighting; I added a screenshot of that to screenshots.debian.net; ... apparently someone did a lot of work to upload a bunch of other screenshots there. T

Re: hacking a home with free technology and Debian

2018-09-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 12:45:08AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > I've got an interesting opportunity to completely replace all the > sockets, lights, heating controls and appliances in my Dublin house with > things that are free or easily hackable. For lighting, I maintain

Re: Input requested on "blockers" to organising Debian events

2018-08-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 10:56:55PM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > - If you ran an event before but you are no longer running it, why > not? Are there any specific reasons you could point to? I ran a BSP once at my company's offices [1]. The company stopped having offices not long after, so that

Re: Emeritus status, and email forwarding

2017-12-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 11:55:07AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > - the use of the debian.org addresses is a strong way for people to show > that they are doing things on behalf of Debian, This. I don't think we should drop @debian.org email addresses for that reason. -- Could you people please u

Re: Updating the FTP Master delegation

2017-11-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:10:38AM +, Chris Lamb wrote: > Chris Lamb wrote: > > > > Any previous Debian Policy delegation not explicitly listed above is > > > revoked. > > ... and, of course, this should read "Debian FTP Master", not "Debian > Policy". Thanks to Sean Whitton and Benjamin Seid

Re: Debian-branded USB-powered fans

2017-10-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Martin, On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:33:43PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Ondřej Surý [2017-10-22 11:05 +0200]: > > I don't know who's planning to have a FOSDEM booth, but maybe they could be > > shipped to Brussels in advance to the event. > > Not a bad idea. Wouter, are you sti

Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service

2017-08-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 08:48:53PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Aug 07 2017, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > >> Example: [s3cmd] > > > > How is this not in contrib? This software is useless without the > > non-free service (which is also software, and it is not in main) from > > Ama

Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles

2017-08-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 11:19:25AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Having said all that, I'll repeat what I said on the gnupg-users > mailinglist a while back[1]: [...] > [1] That should have said https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2017-April/058035.html Having said al

Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles

2017-08-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 10:16:29PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > Hi! > Continuing from IRC: > It would be nice if someone knowledgeable could educate the rest of us about > physical key dongles -- a number of DDs/DMs/contributors still keep their > secret keys on a regular disk, and could use a pri

Re: Request for official help

2017-07-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 04:39:21PM +0200, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Right but if Debian could subscribe to such service, it could freely > generate as EANs as needed for their releases, installers, liveDVDs. But > indeed, maybe it is not the easiest solution. I think it does make sense to hav

Re: having public irc logs?

2017-04-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 02:21:10PM +, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > I didn't suggest that, but privacy online is seriously something that > *doesn't* exist, and people not understanding that are simply wrong. I disagree strongly with this statement. Privacy isn't a boolean thing. It's not so

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
[M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic] On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the > *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as > i3: Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:37:52PM -0500, Stephan Foley wrote: > Very true, I agree with all of your points. Going back to my original > purpose of posting this question, I wanted to do a sort of "sales > pitch" to encourage Debian to offer Fluxbox as a task in the > installer. I actually wrote up

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 09:07:10PM -0500, Stephan Foley wrote: > [Yaroslav Halchenko] > >> And, I am tech-savvy :-) > > > > Why wasn't it enough to run these two commands? > > apt-get install xorg > > apt-get install fluxbox > > > > The instructions on the wiki metion only this: > > https://wiki.de

Re: Renaming the Debian Project

2015-12-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 02:03:40PM -0800, benjamin barber wrote: > It's unfortunate that Debian is named after Debra and Ian, because having the > project named after a white supremacist, who used his ex-wifes name as an > trophy. Being that the current year is almost 2016 and is 20 years after >

Re: cdimage?? What should we call it?

2015-08-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 07:20:53AM +0200, Hideki Yamane wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:40:32 -0300 > Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: > > And having get.debian.org as canonical maybe? But indeed I like the idea. > > Not only canonical but also gentoo does. > https://get.gentoo.

Re: What it means to be Debian

2015-06-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 08:41:57PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > Hi, > > >I find it difficult to express my disagreement with the your views, > >and your attitude, with the respect that is due to a fellow > >contributor. But I will try. > > I looked, but somehow failed to see how the peer in qu

Re: Invoice (New)

2015-05-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 03:02:47PM +0200, P.L.Chardier wrote: > Who are you? The Debian project is a volunteer organization which creates and distributes a free operating system. For more information, see https://www.debian.org/ As we are not a company, we don't write invoices. Therefore, th

Re: Advertising on debian.org

2015-02-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Paula, On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:02:19PM +0800, Paula Lopez wrote: >Hello, >I’d like to inquire if it’s possible to purchase adverting space on >your website [1]debian.org >If there is any space available please let me and we could discuss >further details. Debian does not

Re: Use of Debian Linux 7.5 in a commercially sold appliance box

2014-06-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Clemens, [Cc to debian-legal added, which may be a better forum for this type of question] On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 12:21:49PM +, Renner, Clemens wrote: >Hello, > > >we are currently working on building an appliance-like box for our >customers in a “vertical market”. In doing

Re: Reflecting on users and security updates

2014-06-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
[sorry for replying to this very late, but I thought it relevant...] Op zaterdag 10 mei 2014 00:15:02 schreef Stuart Prescott: > == sources.list > > Many users of stable releases don't have security.debian.org in the > sources.list. I can only wildly speculate as to how this happens... if the > i

Re: The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 01:19:11PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > In general, I understand where Wouter is coming from, and the points that > Steve made about inspiring people to behave better in public. However, > this one paragraph really lept out at me. > > Wouter Verhelst writ

Re: The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 06:09:25PM +, Mark Brown wrote: > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 09:25:37AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > In addition, a list of "do not"s will make people assume that the > > project is in a worse state than it actually is. To paraphrase on

Re: The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 01:43:18PM +0100, enr...@enricozini.org wrote: [...] > Solveig's email made me think of a different use case, though: telling > those we want to keep, but who are new on our mailing list, what they > can expect. Something along the lines of: > > "Things like these are not

Re: The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Solveig, [I didn't have a lot of time this morning, so I could only fire off a quick mail down the thread. This mail does deserve a more in-depth answer, however, so here goes] On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 02:31:54AM +, Solveig wrote: [...] > I think if you do something, do it right. Lots of fe

Re: The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 08:47:43AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi Solveig, > > On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Solveig wrote: > > I can write specific amendments, if somebody is willing to sponsor them :) > > Please do. I tend to agree with what Steve said. It doesn't hurt to have a > list of "don't"

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 06:31:13PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > While it's probably too late in this process to change what we're going to > vote on, I just ran across this today, and it may be of general interest > in the context of codes of conduct. > > http://adainitiative.org/2014/02/howto-des

Re: Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Scott, On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 09:58:16PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > This is to propose a general resolution under §4.1.5 of the constitution > > > to pr

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:37:41PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > == > > 1. The Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for > >participants to its mailinglists, IRC channel

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zaterdag 1 maart 2014 11:40:11 schreef Jonathan Dowland: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 10:49:37AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Op dinsdag 25 februari 2014 19:02:49 schreef Lars Wirzenius: > > > I would prefer a culture where IRC discussions are ephemeral, and any > &

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op dinsdag 25 februari 2014 19:02:49 schreef Lars Wirzenius: > I would prefer a culture where IRC discussions are ephemeral, and any > useful information should end up in debian/changelog, mailing lists, > git commit messages, wiki.debian.org, or any of the other places where > we already put infor

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op woensdag 26 februari 2014 15:25:25 schreef u: > On Wed, 26 Feb 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Hi, > > *snip* > > > > - the CoC, can only be an extension to our (lists.d.o) Coc [1], as there > > > are missing the mail/list specific parts. > > >

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 06:25:12PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:59 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > [...] > > ## Assume good faith > > > > Debian Contributors have many ways of reaching our common goal of a > > [free](http://www.debian.or

GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi all, This is to propose a general resolution under §4.1.5 of the constitution to propose a Debian code of conduct. This code of conduct has been drafted during debconf, and been refined during a BoF session there and in a discussion on the debian-project mailinglist. For more details, please s

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-01-14 14:28, Joerg Jaspert schreef: > On 13446 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> I'm worried that this situation is harmful for the project. > > Yes, seperate development with different requirements than the > production environment is harmful. It's a lesson that every larger > company wi

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-12-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Gunnar, I just noticed that while I had read this reply, I hadn't acted upon it yet. Op 26-11-13 14:40, Gunnar Wolf schreef: > Thanks, Steve (and Wouter, of course). A very minor observation > regarding ordering. > >> >> # Debian Code of Conduct >> >> ## Be respectful >> >> In a project th

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Norbert, Op 27-11-13 10:50, Norbert Preining schreef: [...] > In all these emails the attacks were directed *at* me from main > proponents or supporters of the CoC, except Wouter. Only through severe self-restraint. Your tone is fairly harsh, and I can assure you that it's very difficult for m

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 27-11-13 03:07, Russ Allbery schreef: > Wouter Verhelst writes: > >> I also don't think it's necessarily a bad thing if someone in Debian >> acquires a lot of power. We are very much a meritocracy; this means you >> can't acquire power without a lot of

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 26-11-13 11:21, Cyril Brulebois schreef: > Steve Langasek (2013-11-26): [...] >> Note that many of our Contributors are not native english speakers or > > English, I suppose? I fall in the category of "not native" here, but so do you ;-) I thought it was supposed to be lower case, but I cou

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Norbert, Op 26-11-13 15:07, Norbert Preining schreef: > Hi, > >> but even so, remain respectful. Disagreement is no excuse for poor >> behaviour or personal attacks, and a community in which people feel >> threatened is not a healthy community. > > What does > "poor behaviour" > mean

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 26-11-13 07:37, Steve Langasek schreef: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:39:32AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> Op 08-11-13 23:30, Wouter Verhelst schreef: >>> Op 05-11-13 16:25, Wouter Verhelst schreef: >>> [...draft CoC...] > >>> To avoid spamming this

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 08-11-13 23:30, Wouter Verhelst schreef: > Op 05-11-13 16:25, Wouter Verhelst schreef: > [...draft CoC...] > > To avoid spamming this list with one draft after another, I've put my > current draft in a git repository which people can now find at > > http://anonscm.

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-11-13 16:25, Wouter Verhelst schreef: [...draft CoC...] To avoid spamming this list with one draft after another, I've put my current draft in a git repository which people can now find at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/wouter/coc.git;a=blob;f=coc.markdown This will be up

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 06-11-13 15:13, Ian Jackson schreef: > Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Code of Conduct: picking up"): >> Op 05-11-13 19:47, Ian Jackson schreef: >>> I would suggest that the GR should explicitly say that the DPL is >>> empowered to make changes to the Code

Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-11-13 19:53, Ian Jackson schreef: > Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf > [and 1 more messages]"): >> Op 15-08-13 11:48, Ian Jackson schreef: >>> I think the existing draft is far too long. I'd like t

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-11-13 19:47, Ian Jackson schreef: > Wouter Verhelst writes ("Code of Conduct: picking up"): >> Anyway. The story so far: >> - I posted a draft update of the code of conduct to this list in may[1], >> upon which a short discussion was started >> - I

Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
For clarity: Op 15-08-13 11:48, Ian Jackson schreef: > I think the existing draft is far too long. I'd like to propose > something much shorter: > > > Debian code of conduct > -- > > Debian expects everyone to help keep our community welcoming and fun: > > * Be respectful.

Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi all, First of all, I want to apologise for allowing this to be delayed for so long. I came home from DebConf to find a number of personal and professional issues that I had to deal with, which ate away both my time and my motivation to work much on Debian. Recently, however, I've spent some ti

Re: bits from the DPL -- September 2013

2013-10-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 09-10-13 07:58, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > other > - Debian Code of Conduct (C: http://deb.li/3wRWh N: iterate with a new > version?) Yes, indeed. Unfortunately, since debconf, I've been extremely swamped with work, which is why no further updates on this point have been forthcoming from m

Re: Can CC BY 2.0 be upgraded to 3.0 ?

2013-09-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 13-09-13 22:18, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:46:38PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: >> Dear FTP team, >> >> I found #675435 where it was written that CC-BY-SA-2.0 was not suitable >> for Debian, and now I am confused. >> >> Could you let us know your position on the possibl

Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf

2013-08-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi all, As announced, today there was a bof on a code of conduct. During this bof, we discussed a draft that I'd written, and some updates were made. We didn't manage to handle the entire document (time ran out fairly quickly), but I think what we have now is quite nice -- even if there's still qu

Re: your thoughts: special post for Debian birthday

2013-08-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Brian, On 12-08-13 21:09, Brian Potkin wrote: > On Mon 12 Aug 2013 at 11:57:42 +0200, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > >> Dear users and contributors, >> >> We would like publishing a special post in bits.d.o for the anniversary of >> Debian. The idea is publishing anonymous quotes from Debian use

Re: Code of Conduct 2nd draft

2013-08-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 03-07-13 12:09, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I've since come to the conclusion that this will take me more continuous > Debian time than I have for the moment. > > I'm therefore planning to do this during debcamp, and think it would > make sense to hold a BoF session (or

Re: Code of Conduct 2nd draft

2013-07-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi folks, On 05-06-13 03:47, Chris Knadle wrote: [...almost a month ago...] > On Friday, May 24, 2013 10:02:24, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> On 24-05-13 14:57, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> To do all this, I've been considering splitting it all up into several >> pieces: >&

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

2013-06-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 18-06-13 05:50, Martin Owens wrote: > On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 19:44 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> They are not the same thing at all. The social effects >> are almost completely different. > > It's not a false equivalence. Participation is not just about being a > programmer, if you can convince

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 14-06-13 23:24, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > Right, but this leads to one of two things: > > - No money is shared with dependencies (leading to people flocking to > awesomewm, gnome, kde, chrome, wine, apache2, etc) > > - Money is shared with dependencies (leading to people flocking to >

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 15-06-13 06:07, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think the tension gets much worse if > the project is explicitly deciding to pay some people and not others. While that is true, I do not believe that the proposed scheme results in "the project (...) deciding to pay". If done right, this could simply be

Re: when/how DDs can use the Debian name

2013-06-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 02-06-13 21:15, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Daniel Pocock said: >> >> There are many places where a DD may have an opportunity to use the >> Debian name in a public sense. >> >> However, I just want to seek some clarification about this > > I don't think we have any guide

Re: 2nd draft

2013-05-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
onduct). Doing that will take some time, though, so it will probably take a few days for me to come up with that. > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:52:42AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> 6. You should avoid sending attachments; this generates a lot of >>unnecessary bandwidth on ou

2nd draft (was: Re: Revising the Code of Conduct)

2013-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
nce of HTML tags tend to inflate >tensions, rather than helping others to optimise their communication. That makes sense, I suppose; I've removed the "form" bits from this draft. >For instance I find some recommendations against to posting >borderline insulti

Re: Revising the Code of Conduct

2013-05-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Enrico, On 21-05-13 14:19, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:32:09AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >> So, without further ado, here's my draft: > [...] > > As a general principle, I object to any attempt to codify good > behaviour. The DCG, whic

Re: Revising the Code of Conduct

2013-05-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Lars, On 21-05-13 11:55, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I suggest Enrico's "Debian Community Guidelines" would form a good > base document for this discussion. > > http://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg/ I know about this document, and agree that it consists of generally good advise, worthy to be heed

Re: Revising the Code of Conduct

2013-05-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 21-05-13 11:37, Norbert Preining wrote: > Hi all, > > On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> 1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or >>disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or elsewhere > > And who defines that

Revising the Code of Conduct

2013-05-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, I've long thought that our code of conduct, as currently written, is fairly useless. Because it contains things that are totally irrelevant ("swearing is illegal on packet radio, some people receive mailinglists on packet radio, so don't swear"??? [citation needed]) and some things that are in

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