Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:10:49PM -0800, Rhy Thornton wrote: > More concerning than that is that systemd won't be producing human > readable log files. As a full time sysadmin, I'm reading log files There currently is a bug in Debian where your log messages aren't working. I forgot details, but

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:01:39AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > The Wanderer wrote: > I find that interesting. > > I recall being told that, while it is technically possible to compile > and use GNOME without systemd - specifically, without libpam-systemd > a

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 04:53:30PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > The correct reaction to people not adopting your software is to make > your software better, not to conduct an aggressive marketing campaign > aimed at persuading upstreams to built it in as a dependency, nor to > overrun distro mailing

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 09:05:35PM +0200, Werner Baumann wrote: > It looks like this discussion gets somehow heated as could be expected. > > My opinion is that it is impossible to decide which DE Debian should > suggest to its users. Because it highly depends on personal preferences; > what featu

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-03 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 12:15:37PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init > systems"): > > Since, in my opinion, this question is all about how the project wants to > > govern itself and how we want to handle assigning responsibility for