Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-21 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Rene Engelhard schrieb: > And security needs to support both, I don't think that they would want to > do that either. If they were actually two versions of the codebase in the archive (which I have some doubts about, since [libre|open]office is one of the most complex packages in the archive), th

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
On 2012/03/16 00:36, Lionel Elie Mamane said: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:48:05PM +0800, imacat wrote: >> On 2012/03/15 23:26, Lionel Elie Mamane said: >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:18:38AM +0800, imacat wrote: > If you were to go forward with this, "right of use" of the > debian-openoffice maili

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
Sorry, I almost forgot. To be noted, On 2012/03/16 00:29, Rene Engelhard said: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 12:25:07AM +0800, imacat wrote: > >> * Discrimination against Apache OpenOffice's people >> - That *funny* so

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
That is fine with me personally. This at least is a good start. I asked politely in my first mail, with respect to people here, trying to seek for possibility, although was not expecting that kind of response. If Rene will not package OpenOffice.org anymore (where "OOo" itself does not e

Re: Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:59:15 +0800, imacat wrote: >So you still skip that *funny* part, right? > >So, to the list masters, Alexander Wirt and everyone: Are: > >* Discrimination against Apache OpenOffice > >* Discrimination against Apache OpenOffice's people > >* Loosing credibilit

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Alexander Wirt
imacat schrieb am Thursday, den 15. March 2012: > On 2012/03/15 23:25, Rene Engelhard said: > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:00:54PM +0800, imacat wrote: > >> That is very confusing. I remember the Debian list masters said > >> this list is for OpenOffice and LibreOffice together just *hours ag

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 12:40:53AM +0800, imacat wrote: > On 2012/03/15 21:28, imacat said: > > On 2012/03/15 21:02, Rene Engelhard said: > >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:42:28PM +0800, imacat wrote: > >>> my words seriously. There is no Debian policy that people have to > >>> submit their rea

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
On 2012/03/15 21:28, imacat said: > On 2012/03/15 21:02, Rene Engelhard said: >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:42:28PM +0800, imacat wrote: >>> my words seriously. There is no Debian policy that people have to >>> submit their real name in order to be taken seriously. What changed you? >> Wrong. Mai

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 12:25:07AM +0800, imacat wrote: > * Discrimination against Apache OpenOffice > > - "The OpenOffice(.org) time in Debian is past. Live with it." when >

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
To the Debian list masters, Alexander Wirt and everyone: Sorry, I forgot to cite the list maintainer's words for prove. On 2012/03/16 00:04, Rene Engelhard said: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:59:15PM +0800, imacat wrote: >> * Discrimination against Apache OpenOffice > I don't. I just point out

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:59:15PM +0800, imacat wrote: > * Discrimination against Apache OpenOffice I don't. I just point out that it can't be packaged sanely with the LibreOffice package still be sane. > * Discrimination against Apache OpenOffice's people Nonsense. > * Loosing credibility as

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
On 2012/03/15 23:25, Rene Engelhard said: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:00:54PM +0800, imacat wrote: >> That is very confusing. I remember the Debian list masters said >> this list is for OpenOffice and LibreOffice together just *hours ago*. >> Or maybe I am insane? > Yes, and? That doesn't cha

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:00:54PM +0800, imacat wrote: > That is very confusing. I remember the Debian list masters said > this list is for OpenOffice and LibreOffice together just *hours ago*. > Or maybe I am insane? Yes, and? That doesn't change my opinion that OpenOffice in Debian is

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread eric b
Le 15 mars 12 à 15:36, Rene Engelhard a écrit : Hi, Hi René, On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:34:21PM +0800, imacat wrote: As the originator of this discussion thread, did I or anyone mention EducOO/OOo4Kids? *YOU* did. Eric did in the thread on apache. To avoid confusion about wha

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
On 2012/03/15 22:36, Rene Engelhard said: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:34:21PM +0800, imacat wrote: >> * You were making fun of my name. > Yes, and if you feel better I apologize but still, you should use > your real name to we can take anything you "submit" as package seriously. I shall when

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:34:21PM +0800, imacat wrote: > As the originator of this discussion thread, did I or anyone mention > EducOO/OOo4Kids? *YOU* did. Eric did in the thread on apache. > * You were *ACCUSING* this thread for simple *LIES*. Where did I lie? And no, I was not accud

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
On 2012/03/15 21:22, Rene Engelhard said: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:17:09PM +0800, imacat wrote: >> On 2012/03/15 20:43, Rene Engelhard said: >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:33:38PM +0800, imacat wrote: >>> But in the meanwhile I saw the originating thread on the apache side >>> which consists al

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread eric b
Le 15 mars 12 à 14:22, Rene Engelhard a écrit : Hi, Hi René, On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:17:09PM +0800, imacat wrote: On 2012/03/15 20:43, Rene Engelhard said: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:33:38PM +0800, imacat wrote: But in the meanwhile I saw the originating thread on the apache side whi

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 02:22:40PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:17:09PM +0800, imacat wrote: > > On 2012/03/15 20:43, Rene Engelhard said: > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:33:38PM +0800, imacat wrote: > > > But in the meanwhile I saw the originating thread on the a

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
On 2012/03/15 21:02, Rene Engelhard said: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:42:28PM +0800, imacat wrote: >> my words seriously. There is no Debian policy that people have to >> submit their real name in order to be taken seriously. What changed you? > Wrong. Maintainer fields have to have real names.

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:17:09PM +0800, imacat wrote: > On 2012/03/15 20:43, Rene Engelhard said: > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:33:38PM +0800, imacat wrote: > > But in the meanwhile I saw the originating thread on the apache side > > which consists also of simple lies... > > You are ac

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
On 2012/03/15 20:43, Rene Engelhard said: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:33:38PM +0800, imacat wrote: > But in the meanwhile I saw the originating thread on the apache side > which consists also of simple lies... You are accusing something very seriously. As the originator of this discussion th

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:42:28PM +0800, imacat wrote: > my words seriously. There is no Debian policy that people have to > submit their real name in order to be taken seriously. What changed you? Wrong. Maintainer fields have to have real names. And as you wanted to package and "submit"

Re: debian-openoffice vs. debian-libreoffice (was: Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice)

2012-03-15 Thread Alexander Wirt
Rene Engelhard schrieb am Thursday, den 15. March 2012: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:33:38PM +0800, imacat wrote: > > >> Nice to meet you. I did not expect to talk to you here directly. > > > Well, this is the LibreOffice maintainer list. As I am maintaining it of > > > course > > > I am her

debian-openoffice vs. debian-libreoffice (was: Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice)

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:33:38PM +0800, imacat wrote: > >> Nice to meet you. I did not expect to talk to you here directly. > > Well, this is the LibreOffice maintainer list. As I am maintaining it of > > course > > I am here directly :-) > > I am posting to "debian-openoffice@lists.deb

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:33:38PM +0800, imacat wrote: > That's problems we have to solve. I am interested how. Those package names are mandated by Debian policy and not changable. > >> Apache OpenOffice in the foreseeable future. And I believe many people > >> are, too. I do not hate Libr

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
On 01.03.15 03:01pm, Rene Engelhard said: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:34:27AM +0800, imacat wrote: >> On 2012/03/15 11:18, imacat said: P.S: And I believe that people will take you more serious if you didn'z post with funny "imarcat" in From but a real name. >> Actually, nobody ever

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread imacat
On 01.03.15 02:58pm, Rene Engelhard said: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:18:38AM +0800, imacat wrote: >> On 2012/03/15 07:53, Rene Engelhard said: >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 07:39:09AM +0800, imacat wrote: >> If you must know, I already made Apache OpenOffice different from >> LibreOffice. See:

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:34:27AM +0800, imacat wrote: > On 2012/03/15 11:18, imacat said: > >> P.S: And I believe that people will take you more serious if you didn'z > >> post with funny "imarcat" in From but a real name. > > P.S. Oh, sorry. If you must know, my real name is Yang Shih-Ching. I

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-14 Thread imacat
On 2012/03/15 11:18, imacat said: >> P.S: And I believe that people will take you more serious if you didn'z >> post with funny "imarcat" in From but a real name. > P.S. Oh, sorry. If you must know, my real name is Yang Shih-Ching. I > used the name "imacat" for more than **20 years* in the local

Re: Packaging Apache OpenOffice

2012-03-14 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 07:39:09AM +0800, imacat wrote: > Hi. I would like to ask what should I do if I would like to package > and submit the Apache OpenOffice package? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/03/msg00859.html of my postition on this. > Apache OpenOffice is fol