Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-29 Thread Daniel Richard G.
On Wed, 2017 Mar 29 09:58+0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > Or one can Recommends: it in libreoffice. Yeah. Well, I guess that would let me do what I originally wanted... # apt-get install libreoffice libreoffice-java-common- (note the minus at the end) to install LibreOffice without the

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-29 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:09:39PM -0400, Daniel Richard G. wrote: > On Tue, 2017 Mar 28 09:35+0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > > > > > If LibreOffice is installed without Java runtime support, then how > > > is the failed installation of Java-based third-party extensions a > > > problem? That

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-28 Thread Daniel Richard G.
On Tue, 2017 Mar 28 09:35+0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > > > If LibreOffice is installed without Java runtime support, then how > > is the failed installation of Java-based third-party extensions a > > problem? That is exactly what should happen. > > But people out there don't know what their exte

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-28 Thread Daniel Richard G.
On Tue, 2017 Mar 28 08:36+0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > > > > That installation would fail with a non clear message if the Java > > > support is not there. -> Bad. > > > > > > We had that "fun" in the past... > > > > So, there are Java-based LibreOffice extension packages that do not > > properly

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-28 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 03:28:31AM -0400, Daniel Richard G. wrote: > On Tue, 2017 Mar 28 08:36+0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > > > > > > That installation would fail with a non clear message if the Java > > > > support is not there. -> Bad. > > > > > > > > We had that "fun" in the past... > > > > >

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-27 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 01:49:04AM -0400, Daniel Richard G. wrote: > On Mon, 2017 Mar 27 11:01+0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > > > The metapackage is supposed to install (mostly) everything. > > > > This includes the Java stuff. > > > > Think of people wanting to install extensions (which happen to

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-27 Thread Daniel Richard G.
On Mon, 2017 Mar 27 11:01+0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > The metapackage is supposed to install (mostly) everything. > > This includes the Java stuff. > > Think of people wanting to install extensions (which happen to be > written in Java more often than I'd like it but it's a fact...). > > That i

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-27 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 02:57:58AM -0400, Daniel Richard G. wrote: > What about the hard dependency of "libreoffice" on lo-java-common? This > package is just a dependency of components that need Java, so it is not > appropriate for the metapackage. The metapackage is supposed to install (mos

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-27 Thread Daniel Richard G.
On Sun, 2017 Mar 26 10:12+0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > > Right. I'd like to be able to say, let's not install that package > > (lo-java-common), and end up with a clean install of LO sans Java > > stuff. > > You can do that right now, too. Just avoid the Java-using modules. You > already were on

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-26 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, oops. On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 10:12:01AM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > They are not. If you used one of them (which you probably won't run into > given even the wizards are Java) you get told you want Java. Basically it's [...] are NOT java anymore but python [...] Regards, Rene

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-26 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 01:18:00AM -0400, Daniel Richard G. wrote: > Of course. I don't care too much which specific components need Java > (unless e.g. Writer one day starts requiring it); I just want to tell > apt-get "no Java!" and let it do its thing. Then install the various modules manu

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-25 Thread Daniel Richard G.
Hi Rene, On Sat, 2017 Mar 25 23:54+0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > Because you install the metapackage which installs those "all > components". And libreoffice-base (well, its internal database) _is > written in Java_. My intention is to install LibreOffice as a whole minus the Java stuff. As I

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-25 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:10:35AM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: > [...] *And* it will also tell people to install libreoffice-java-common [...] Actually that's untrue - the patch is disabled, probably because it didn't apply anymore and it was forgotten to update.. ;/ Regards, Rene

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-25 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:01:53AM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: > On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 07:00:22PM -0400, Daniel Richard G. wrote: > > # apt-get -s install libreoffice default-jre- | grep '^Inst' | egrep > > 'jre|jdk|java' > > Inst libreoffice-java-common (1:5.2.5-2 Debian:testing [

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-25 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 07:00:22PM -0400, Daniel Richard G. wrote: > # apt-get -s install libreoffice default-jre- | grep '^Inst' | egrep > 'jre|jdk|java' > Inst libreoffice-java-common (1:5.2.5-2 Debian:testing [all]) > > Hunh, that worked. The lo-java-common package went in, even t

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2017-03-25 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > severity 858655 wishlist Bug #858655 [src:libreoffice] Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'normal' > tag 858655 + wontfix Bug #858655 [src:libreoffice] Please move Java dependencies to libreo

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-25 Thread Rene Engelhard
severity 858655 wishlist tag 858655 + wontfix thanks Hi, On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 07:00:22PM -0400, Daniel Richard G. wrote: > A regular LibreOffice install has many Java dependencies: > > # apt-get -s install libreoffice | grep '^Inst' | egrep 'jre|jdk|java' Description-en: office productiv

Bug#858655: Please move Java dependencies to libreoffice-java-common

2017-03-24 Thread Daniel Richard G.
Package: src:libreoffice Version: 1:5.2.5-2 I am interested in the topic of installing LibreOffice without Java. This is possible, of course, but this bug report is concerned with a dependency structure that makes this needlessly messy. A regular LibreOffice install has many Java dependencies: