Re: Bug#207932: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Hubert Chan
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:33:25 +0100, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Sven Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> `Recommends' This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. >> >> The `Recommends' field should list packages that would be found >> together with this one in all but u

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Hubert Chan
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:38:02 +0900, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > In practice I guess it's just going to mean that most people end up > putting non-free in their sources.list, weakening the effect of having > a separation between "free" and "non-free" in the first place, I agree. And n

Re: Bug#207932: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Miles Bader
> I'm surprised there is still a misunderstanding. Debian decided that > invariant sections were problematic (you will find rationales > everywhere on debian sites). It is not Debian's fault if they do > exist. There is no misunderstanding. We simply think debian did something dumb, that will h

Re: Bug#207932: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Jérôme Marant
Sven Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Because Emacs is technically able to work without its info manual, >> so there is no reason for a strong dependency on its documentation. > > Maybe it is time to look what the Policy Manual says about dependencies: > > `Recommends' > This

Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Jérôme Marant
Xavier Maillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >From: Sven Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Jérôme Marant wrote: >>>Yeah, after all, the social contract merely states: >>> >>> We will never make the system require the use >>> of a non-free component. >>> >>>Now

Re: Bug#207932: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Joachim
Jérôme Marant wrote: Quoting "Davide G. M. Salvetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I do not share your statement about newbies not using Emacs. However, based on your above considerations, what exactly would be the problem for newbies and/or experienced users with emacs21 and emacs-snapshot being moved

Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Xavier Maillard
From: Sven Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jérôme Marant wrote: >>Yeah, after all, the social contract merely states: >> >> We will never make the system require the use >> of a non-free component. >> >>Now I realize what that means: "The system" does not require the

Re: Bug#207932: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Jérôme Marant
Quoting "Davide G. M. Salvetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > I would like to support the request of Sven Joachim: I think that > emacs21 and emacs-snapshot should depend on or recommend the newly added > "non-free" doc package. Therefore, consistently, emacs21 and > emacs-snapshot should go int

Re: Bug#207932: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Davide G. M. Salvetti
Hi, I would like to support the request of Sven Joachim: I think that emacs21 and emacs-snapshot should depend on or recommend the newly added "non-free" doc package. Therefore, consistently, emacs21 and emacs-snapshot should go into the contrib section. > JM == Jérôme Marant [2006-3-14] J

Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Joachim
Jérôme Marant wrote: Yeah, after all, the social contract merely states: We will never make the system require the use of a non-free component. Now I realize what that means: "The system" does not require the non-free documentation, although one could argue that its users and develope

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-15 Thread Romain Francoise
Michael Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've chosen the latter. That is, replacing Debian on my own machine, > and no longer advocating the installation of Debian. I am sorry to hear it. -- ,''`. : :' :Romain Francoise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `. `' http://people.debian.org/