Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > MH-E already handles attachments using gnus code, so I'll just find out > how it does what it does when no attachments are present. I believe Gnus (or rather Message) always calls mml-generate-mime, which scans for non-ASCII characters, MML-denoted

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Aaron M. Ucko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Makes senses. I'll see if gnus does something sensible that we can use. > > Yep, it includes an emacs-mime module that you can probably take > advantage of. MH-E already handles attachments using gnu

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Makes senses. I'll see if gnus does something sensible that we can use. Yep, it includes an emacs-mime module that you can probably take advantage of. > It's on my MH-E ToDo list now. :-) Cool. (Incidentally, I'm actually a former user -- MIT w

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, J. wrote: > Daniel Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> Does a message necessarily need to be MIME when it uses >>> non-ascii characters? >> >> Yes. :) >> >> Seriously, email without MIME is defined to be US-ASCII 7-bit only in >> the standards. Most mailers pass 8-bit t

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Aaron M. Ucko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > True. I didn't know it was required. MH-E gave the message to MH > > send, which gave it to postfix. Who should be responsible for adding > > the MIME header in that case? > > MH-E, I think; MH unsu

Re: Can't send mail with Gnus! :(

2003-12-13 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * (Jérôme Marant) > > > [...] > > | Fine, but how exactly do I use this voodoo magic? :-) > | TIA. > > You want to use posting styles: > > (setq gnus-posting-styles > '(((and (message-mail-p) (stringp g

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > True. I didn't know it was required. MH-E gave the message to MH > send, which gave it to postfix. Who should be responsible for adding > the MIME header in that case? MH-E, I think; MH unsurprisingly seems to factor MIME handling out into separa

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > the charset used in the header. It's possible putting unencoded 8-bit > characters there is not legal? Right; see RFC 2047. -- Aaron M. Ucko, KB1CJC (amu at alum.mit.edu, ucko at debian.org) Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NOT a valid e-mail address) f

Re: Can't send mail with Gnus! :(

2003-12-13 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* (Jérôme Marant) [...] | Fine, but how exactly do I use this voodoo magic? :-) | TIA. You want to use posting styles: (setq gnus-posting-styles '(((and (message-mail-p) (stringp gnus-newsgroup-name) (tfheen-debian-group-p)) (to (tfheen-debian-find-recipients)) (cc nil in .g

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tatsuya Kinoshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Peter's message (recent post to this list, using MH-E) is not a > > MIME message. It has non-ascii characters without `Content-Type:'. > > I didn't notice it has non-acsii characters but it seemed to

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Tatsuya Kinoshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On December 12, 2003 at 11:51PM +0100, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > - Encoding/decoding ISO-2022-JP, ISO-8859-*, UTF-8, etc. > > > - MIME and GPG > > > > Handling encodings and MIME is the least that a good MUA shall offer > > that's why I did

Re: Can't send mail with Gnus! :(

2003-12-13 Thread Jérôme Marant
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * (Jérôme Marant) > > | Since you CC'ed me on reply, I guess you don't use such group parameters :-) > > ((and (message-mail-p) (stringp gnus-newsgroup-name) (tfheen-debian-group-p)) > (to (tfheen-debian-find-recipients)) > (cc nil)) > > (as

Re: Can't send mail with Gnus! :(

2003-12-13 Thread Jérôme Marant
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> How are they displayed in MH-E? Only Speedbar is mentioned. > > The speedbar in MH-E show the list of folders along with the number of > unseen message and total messages. If you tell procmail to insert new > mail directly into MH folders, you co

Re: Can't send mail with Gnus! :(

2003-12-13 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* (Jérôme Marant) | Since you CC'ed me on reply, I guess you don't use such group parameters :-) ((and (message-mail-p) (stringp gnus-newsgroup-name) (tfheen-debian-group-p)) (to (tfheen-debian-find-recipients)) (cc nil)) (as posting style params) (defun tfheen-debian-find-recipients

Re: Can't send mail with Gnus! :(

2003-12-13 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* (Jérôme Marant) | Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | > * Jérôme Marant | > | > | > MH-E has this for the M-F-T and any other field you wish to set based on | > | > who you are sending to. I coded it. Customize `mh-auto-fields-list'. | > | > I'm not sure what you seem by setting

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, J. wrote: > Tatsuya Kinoshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On December 12, 2003 at 11:51PM +0100, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> > - Encoding/decoding ISO-2022-JP, ISO-8859-*, UTF-8, etc. >>> > - MIME and GPG >>> >>> Handling encodings and MIME is the least that a goo

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Jérôme Marant
Daniel Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Does a message necessarily need to be MIME when it uses >> non-ascii characters? > > Yes. :) > > Seriously, email without MIME is defined to be US-ASCII 7-bit only in > the standards. Most mailers pass 8-bit these days, but not all, and > without a M

Re: Emacsen MUA

2003-12-13 Thread Jérôme Marant
Tatsuya Kinoshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On December 12, 2003 at 11:51PM +0100, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > - Encoding/decoding ISO-2022-JP, ISO-8859-*, UTF-8, etc. >> > - MIME and GPG >> >> Handling encodings and MIME is the least that a good MUA shall offer >> that's why I didn't e

Re: Can't send mail with Gnus! :(

2003-12-13 Thread Jérôme Marant
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Jérôme Marant > > | > MH-E has this for the M-F-T and any other field you wish to set based on > | > who you are sending to. I coded it. Customize `mh-auto-fields-list'. > | > I'm not sure what you seem by setting the To: field. There is a `reply

Re: Can't send mail with Gnus! :(

2003-12-13 Thread Jérôme Marant
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Jérôme Marant > > | > MH-E has this for the M-F-T and any other field you wish to set based on > | > who you are sending to. I coded it. Customize `mh-auto-fields-list'. > | > I'm not sure what you seem by setting the To: field. There is a `reply