On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:40:15AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:10 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit :
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:52:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > >
> > > This is true for the initial report. But you also ga
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:42:57AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit :
> > What will a web interface provide that cannot be found/done by browsing
> > http://bugs.debian.org/src: ?
>
> A way for us to manage ou
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 05:37:25PM +, Ross Burton wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > > The simple fact that anyone having submitted a comment to a bug is
> > > automatically added to the CC list for later comments is something that
&g
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:50:14PM -0400, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> I've seen some posts on debian-devel from a while back which indicates
> some of you (Robert Millan) you've build a kernel using cdbs. I'm
Perhaps I misunderstand, but can't you use kernel-pa
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 07:42:26PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 16 mars 2007 à 12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit :
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:40:15AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > Just try Bugzilla. Really. It has some major issu
n browsers would not be kept out.
>
What is the point?
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g bug triage in there
would be a good thing.
> People should be given assistance and encouragement in
> doing it. I actually like doing it, but I have unfortunately relatively
> little time (sick family members).
>
I like doing bug triage as well. I guess it is because I am a neat
f
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 08:12:07AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:38:24PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL
> PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > People should be given assistance and encouragement in
> > > doing it. I actually like doing it, but I
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 10:47:38AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2007-03-27, Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In fact, yes. More so, even. The higher the bug count the *greater*
> > the reward for triaging everything properly. It helps to prevent
> >
t happens in the case (that was already pointed out) where a
bug languishes without attention for a year or more, someone NMUs to fix
the bug and the mainainer immediately uploads to revert the NMU? It
seems that there needs to be some way to handle situations like that.
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been reported to work on mutt, and it failed here with kmail.
> Is the crypt+sign mail format standard ?
>
The last vote (on the package upload rules) worked for me sending
encrypted from mutt.
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On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:35:52AM +0300, Guillem Jover wrote:
>
> You might want to use ^K from inside mutt, instead.
>
Does that work if the key is attached or only for retrieving from a key
server when a mail has been signed with a key not already in your key
ring?
Regards,
; > >just a willingness to help should the current maintainer be unable to
> > >continue for some reason.
>
> an "understudy" or "standby" ?
>
Could we call it "co-maintainer" or something like that?
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way to optimize it?
>
Interesting. I have ~1600 packages installed on my development machine
and I do not experience the slowness you talk about. It was installed
about 3.5 years ago.
How much RAM/CPU does the machine have? How fast are the disks?
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On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 04:11:46PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote:
> On Friday 30 March 2007 15:43, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 03:39:29PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote:
> > > It appears like apt-get/aptitude/dpkg dealing with the list/database
> > &g
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mecases those are transparent to
> the end users)
>
I think that is the principal problem. I use apt-proxy and have about a
dozen machines (counting virtual machines) that all hit that one
apt-proxy.
I am not sure how best to solve that problem.
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r even slower ISDN link) with an
opteron, xeon, athlon64 or the like. I'm not saying that your situation
is not possible, simply that trading size for compression/decompression
time would benefit far more people than it would "hurt."
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On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:16:33AM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote:
>
> Yes, and some (like me) use a private mirror for internal use. But at
> least we could estimate a lower count, which would be better, than the
> "don't know" we currently have.
>
That ma
On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 01:09:50PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:12:33AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > Le jeudi 12 avril 2007 à 21:15 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
> > >
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 07:24:53AM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 April 2007 20.51:16 Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote:
> > man procmailrc
>
> On gmail?
>
gmail does support POP.
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d via SSL.
However, this causes other really annoying problems:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-openldap-devel/2007-April/001140.html
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ct?
> "good or bad" depends on your goals for the configuration.
>
My goal is that it is secure.
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> LDAP server decide if the password is correct or not.
>
You mean that the passwords go in the clear?
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On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 04:39:02PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 06:19:34PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 02:49:40PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> > > It means that pam_unix is able to access your shadow hash on beh
the password. It is passing the
> > > password over to the LDAP server (using an LDAP bind), and letting the
> > > LDAP server decide if the password is correct or not.
>
> [Roberto C. Sánchez]
> > You mean that the passwords go in the clear?
>
> Yes, unless you are
nobody forces you.
>
What if you are a one-time sponsor for a dozen packages? It seems like
Nico's original gripe is valid.
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gt;
> This would need a new field defined in some sane way and then get
> enforced to use to make sense. And then the scripts can start using it.
>
> So the simple(r) option is "subscribe to pts".
>
Doesn't the key used to sign the upload tell you?
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On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 01:18:11AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 11013 March 1977, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> >> This would need a new field defined in some sane way and then get
> >> enforced to use to make sense. And then the scripts can start using it.
> &g
d then requires a security update, it would not be buildable
in stable.
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ile the RT bug. However, I have experienced this problem.
What can I do to help?
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ething like (>= 1.0.1-1) and (<<
1.0.1-2) be more correct? That way the package is still binNMU safe and
also safe from breaking if incompatibilities are introduced in the next
source upload?
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On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 01:56:30PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > Your case is probably better handled with a simple higher-or-equal
> > > dependency.
> >
> > Maybe I misunderstand, but wouldn't something
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 03:49:07PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 09:24:35AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > Maybe I misunderstand, but wouldn't something like (>= 1.0.1-1) and
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 01:14:01PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 12:20:22PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote:
> > Yes, but in reality what is the likelihood that either a security update
> > or NMU would introduce an incompatible change? I would
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 10:05:56PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> > Well, the ~ character is stated to be evaluated to be less than the
> > empty string. If a package is the target of a security upload in
> > stable, you can be certain t
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 10:54:09PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> > On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 10:05:56PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> >> Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> >>
> >> > Well, the ~ character is stated to be evaluat
case, it is becoming apparent that the continued OT discussions
are becoming increasingly unpopular.
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rsing
> programmatically.
>
Something like /^Justify-\([^:]+\):/ should do it, right? Then $1
becomes the package name.
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vating
> event. For example, file triggers do not inform the package of the
> filename. In the future this might be added as an additional feature,
> but there are some problems with this.
>
I'd be interested to know in what problems there are with this.
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that the release team is already covered well on release.debian.org, via
> regular mails to d-d-a and in the developers reference.
>
I think that having a centrally located list of teams within Debian and
where someone can go to learn more/get involved is a good thing.
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opment. Of course, since the security team can't possibly monitor
upstream development for every package (even just those which don't have
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d by the maintainer of the package. Especially in the case of mass
filings resulting from things like rebuilding the archive or other
cases (like the bug reporter not knowing/being able to access the stuff
in NEW), I think there should be a bit of leniency.
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GtkOL.
>
> What about author and url? :)
>
Also, a more descriptive short description.
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s.so file in libgnomevfs2-extra's postinst (and
> the same for other packages providing GnomeVFS methods), so that its
> timestamp changes.
>
This might be a really impetus and test case for the new dpkg triggers
that have been proposed.
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; mail the sysadmin when a new kernel is installed. Because reboot cannot
> be automated ... or let the sysadmin install only the kernel manually
> (or have an option do that) but inform the sysadmin mail command is our
> friend) for the existence of new kernel..
How is what you describe diff
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 12:26:50PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 06:21:03AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > How is what you describe different from what cron-apt already does?
>
> That's precisely why I asked for details about this feature :
ected by the ftp-masters as too generic. Arnaud renamed it to
mozilla-noscript and that was accepted.
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server-class disks.
>
That may be true when it comes to breakdowns. However, I challenge you
to show me a "cheap" desktop disk that is also SCSI or SAS *and*
hotpluggable.
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kilo to mean exactly 1000 in the context
of computing was a marketing gimmick.
Besides, there are other units of measure which carry the same name and
have different numerical values based on context (think statute miles
and nautical miles), though I don't think any such examples can be fo
lowing rigorous standards.
>
It has never been anything more than people defaulting to a close
approximation. Language is imperfect. People make do.
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On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 09:36:34AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 12 juin 2007 à 03:29 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> > > It has never been anything but a gross imprecision introduced by people
> > > incapable of following rigorous standards.
> > >
l these weird and whacky new Perl module packages in aid of
> something, ie are they about to become reverse dependencies of some new
> package?
>
Do they have to be? I know that I would personally prefer to apt-get
install some Perl module, rather than install it myself from CPAN or
some
ion installed.
>
> It looks like rpmstrap could build you a suitable chroot (like
> debootstap for Debian), but from the description it appears to be
> somewhat outdated (eg Fedora Core 2).
>
Also, based on my experience trying to build a CentOS 3 chroot (CentOS 3
being fairly
ultiple
Linux distros (or even with other operating systems, now that Solaris
ships with GNOME).
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t for Xen in a stable release is not suitable, I
would have to consider migrating those servers to some other distro. I
would really hate to have to do that.
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On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 06:01:30PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 06:05:14PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > I think the first question to resolve is to establish that it *is*
> > > supported...
>
> > I think that the prudent thing for
/srv (or all of it). Such is not
the case for /var. That is, people know better than NFS mount /var.
That guarantee does not exist, since by nature /srv should mountable by
NFS (e.g., for a web cluster, or something like that).
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Christoph,
Thanks for prodding again on this matter. I've been extremely busy.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 05:05:03PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote:
> Dear list...
>
> the matter has been discussed at least twice already. Roberto C. Sanchez
> brought the matter back up in January 2
mawk package by the gawk
> package and installed some X package at the same time.
>
>
> So, must these packages pre‐depend on awk?
>
I think so.
However, I reported the same bug [0] over three years ago, but it was
tagged wontfix last year (presumably by someone on the XSF).
Regard
einst had actually been reached, it
> would've caused the package to fail to unpack.
>
In case you missed my other mail in this thread, I think this is the
same issue I reported in #314571.
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>
> | plz test my pkgs so I can has leverage against the release
> team, kthxbye
>
I don't get it. Isn't the amount of testing received one of the points
the release team considers when deciding whether or not grant an
exception? If it were not, I would be quite surpri
the failure). It would have eventually manifested
itself on the main architectures when they switched. As it was, I was
able to get upstream to fix the package will ahead of the switch in
Debian.
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ing),
> and waiting a month for each of them, well, is quite a drag.
>
You can upload to NEW packages that Build-Depend on one another. I have
done it without issue.
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ot;ITP"
in the title. If there is no closes, then assume that there is no ITP
and that's it.
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Debian doesn't release often
enough" are simply ignorant or selectively ignoring reality. If you
hear someone make that complaint, kindly keep him (or her) from
sticking his (or her) foot too far down the throat and point them to
unstable.
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es get held back from testing because of RC bugs. So, if you want
packages moving into testing quicker, get the unstable version, test and
file bug reports when you find a bug and also try and submit patches to
the bugs that are already keeping it out of testing.
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egard, please let me know.
>
While I think that your opinions are a bit misguided, I hope that you
find what you are seeking, either in Debian proper, a derivative or in
an effort that you lead yourself.
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y is rsyslog being multi-threaded interesting to our users?
> Isn't that an internal implementation decision?
>
As the "target" user for this sort of package is a sysadmin type, I
would saw it is an important enough detail that it should be in the
short description.
Regard
t;improvements." As I continued I found that you had already come up
them and that I just had to read on. In short, it seems well thought
out.
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> that seems to be *specific* to setting up a web service for Debian.
>
Could it be that most Debian machines already have things like Perl and
Postgres installed/configured and the admin team has only so much time
on their hands?
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search of packages.d.o. Do you already
have the .deb from opera.com locally installed? If so, it will still
show up in your apt-cache. A better indicator is `apt-cache policy
opera` to see *where* it came from.
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 02:46:30PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hmm, seems odd that it should need testing, runs great on my machine
> and thousands of others. Perhaps we are a little overzealous, no?
>
Ummm, why do you troll like this?
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> I love open-source software but I don't hesitate to use commercial
> software if it is free or a better tool for doing the job.
>
Please indicate how Opera is more free or better than the web browsers
already included in Debian.
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 01:59:52AM +0700, Mikhail Gusarov wrote:
>
> Twas brillig at 14:52:05 27.08.2007 UTC-04 when Roberto C. Sánchez did gyre
> and gimble:
>
> RCS> Please indicate how Opera is more free or better than the web browsers
> RCS> already included in
On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 09:32:58PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 02:44:09PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Yes, it seems that it would belong in non-free. I see nothing about
> >> redistribution mentioned
ftware or do you test and release a new version. At least no
> one has found the new bugs yet, a few days delay could be big trouble.
http://www.debian.org/security/faq#oldversion
> There appear to be several spaces before my sig.
>
Yes, but not the double-dash (--) on a li
ual package (if
you read up on the branch meanings, "testing" quality software nearly
always goes to experimental first), but rather the distribution as a
whole. That is, all software that makes it to into testing should be
stable and release quality and ready for testing with *the
stgreSQL, and any of a
number of other packages which received tremendous testing upstream.
None of them have empty pages on bugs.d.o.
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 11:12:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Quoting "Roberto C. Sánchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >The same
> >exact thing could be said of Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL, and any of a
> >number of other packages which received tremendou
what software "is
likely to need little testing"?
Additionally, what insight do you have into the Opera development
process and methodology that qualifies you to make that claim
specifically about Opera?
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unfathomable to the rest of the world.
>
Then file bug reports or email the maintainers. If you had bothered to
actually read the documents which people have siggested, you would be
able to do this if you come across issues or things you don't
understand.
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tatically linked against several things
> afaik, motif iirc.
>
Yes, but even though it was done in the past, why on earth should it be
done today? Back then, there were no alternatives. Today there are
many.
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n Debian are
> doing (we confine the use of libcracklib to the separate pam_cracklib
> module, to keep cracklib out of base); so there probably isn't any modern
> justification for this default at all.
>
Just curious, what is the rationale for wanting to keep cracklib out of
base?
Re
On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 05:20:42PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 07:38:23PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> > Just curious, what is the rationale for wanting to keep cracklib out of
> > base?
>
> Size and complexity. Adding libpam-crackli
manual endeavour.
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. I don't think that will work without driving away
users.
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ion would be for Opera to produce a "source" package
of unlinked binary object files. This would allow relinking against new
versions of the libraries (at least in most cases) without the need for
access to the source.
However, I tend to be in agreement with others on this list that t
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 04:43:09PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
> Zitat von "Roberto C. Sánchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Dynamic linking is what the security team likes since it means that you
> >only update the code once for the whole system. However, in the e
CCed an followups, although subscribed.)
>
> On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 09:38:14AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 03:16:07PM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 05 September 2007 13:23:46 Edward Welbourne wrote:
>
> >>> I&
a Debian "source package"
> >> would only put it in a most convenient form for your users.
>
> Using shared linkage gets the end-user as much ability to replace
> libraries (including the X libraries, under BSDoid licenses) as
> supplying the linkable binaries - if the
nything;
> >
> > And, of course, vice-versa.
>
> Opera owes Debian something
>
> Am I misreading you?
>
I think that that he meant that Debian does not owe Opera anything.
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ernal policies and procedures;
> and this is not really something people outside the organization get to
> have a say in. Most countries do not give franchise to just anyone,
> unless a certain degree of commitment, and affirmation of belonging
> happen first.
>
Agreed.
Regards,
-Rob
ngs worked. It only finally worked when I used plain
'DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage'. Additionally,
the DEBBUILDOPTS variable in ~/.pbuilderrc did not help either.
Have I overlooked something. Is there an option or something that I
missed?
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:05:49AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
>
> env_keep in /etc/sudoers
>
> or alternatively,
>
> export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" in .pbuilderc is probably what
> you're looking for.
>
Aww crap. I can't believe I ov
address.
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