f. There's a load of
software to consider but I think I can sum it up as my work on the cluster
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ever, I'd like to make all the thought
contribution possible if not as source code. I'm not blindly advocating an OO
design/implementation, but I suggest such a thing because it is the only right
way to go. Sometimes I feel a push for the design part of things, that's it.
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printing tools in potato. Few
would
then dare to make an upgrade to unstable.
That is, you would certainly like some consistency and reliability, but not at
the cost
of missing a huge proportion of good software out there. That's what
distribution is
all about, right? Giving people some choices.
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in a way similar to the one I have suggested for the Release process.
Package pools, of course, is the main issue here. It is *the* mechanism which
lets developers create their own virtual distros, etc. This proposal lays out
a way to combine the flexibiliy of package pools with the qual
led locally, it wasn't worth the archive
> space or the manpower or extra trouble.
I disagree. From experience, I know that up to %50 speedup can be gained
in number crunching stuff. I'd suspect %20 could be pretty normal for
most CPU hungry apps, and the overall speedup would be signific
w many CDs sources take.
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:36:26 Ben Collins wrote:
> Official sets are main+contrib, which is 3cd's. This can include non-US or
> not (only CD1 is different in that case). Sometimes vendors provide a 4th
> binary CD with non-free (may or may not include non-US/non-free). The
> source CD's are also 3 i
onfig" is a system program,
and a user should manually augment his path if he wishes to run it.
I request you to re-consider the proposal. Supplying a symbolic link would
be better than putting the /sbin in user's path, because we may then decide
which programs in /sbin are needed by normal users.
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include /sbin,
/usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin in user's default path.
That way, filesystem standard compliance is not disturbed, and the users
have those programs in their path by default.
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shouldn't be difficult for the authors of apt, anyway.
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management and package classification so keep these mental
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If that lib's in M17, how do I get M17 debs?
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Seems like my mirror has somehow not been
able to update. The latest I've got is M15..
Should check fmirror configuration.
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Yep, I ITP'ed sourcenav and insight.. a _minor_ problem with
the tcl/tk stuff, but I think I'll just wrap it up soon.
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will be following insight.
My work consisted of testing each file in the installation
target against candidates in the Debian dist, that is I've determined
all the dependencies.
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I'm building a package that needs the source of another (existing)
package in Debian. You have to configure the source directory
of that other program. What's the proper way to do that? I don't want
to replicate the source dirs becase they take many megabytes.
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the future :)
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manageable.
It seems to me that both part-of and is-a hierarchies (allowing multiple
inheritance) is necessary to break down Debian into comprehensible units.
In addition to this, such a categorization would be vertical to
main/contrib/non-free separation
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On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 02:34:55PM +0300, Eray Ozkural wrote:
> > I'm not a debian developer yet (and seems like I won't even attempt till I
> > feel that new maintainers are welcome),
>
> If you've got a really u
Branden Robinson wrote:
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> Wow, I may have to revise my opinion of France, then.
Isn't France the same country that tried to spy on Netscape's SSL
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w installer should provide
the same functionality as FAI.
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ly:
It should be re-usable as a library for implementing packages/modules
for PLs·
That would make it pretty academic :) As a matter of fact I claimed
to Anthony Towns that I'd rewrite dpkg for a test of skill during
a friendly exchange. That's one of the features I really wan
dpkg's code in 3 years.
That smells like "re-write". The scent of painstaking coding. Mmmm.
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be limited to files and directories.
What I would want to see is a more abstract view of the process. In fact, one
should view this as part of a software-engineering toolchain. It should
play nicely with a corresponding build system, config system, etc.
Off the top of my head of course. :)
Thank
ll file gets fscked and
the system stalls, then you gotta fix it by hand. Ah, and if a large
portion of the database is gone, there is nothing your stupid hand
can do, anyway.
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papers. Of course you can take a look at his work
yourself. At this location there are many papers authored by him:
http://www.ladseb.pd.cnr.it/infor/ontology/Papers/OntologyPapers.html
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ural" aspects of upgrading.
No religious wars, all right? :)
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Mistakenly sent to debian-devel. This is off topic.
Merry Xmas to you all!!
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Brian May wrote:
>
> - harder to administrate /etc/passwd as more users exist.
I like using groups to give different sets of rights and I'm
annoyed by Debian giving every user his own group. Is that
reall necessary?
cu,
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Anand Kumria wrote:
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> In future please send those kinds of emails privately.
mis-take. :)
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Nathan E Norman wrote:
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> On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 04:43:53AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > I like using groups to give different sets of rights and I'm
> > annoyed by Debian giving every user his own group. Is that
> > reall necessary?
>
> It&#x
t now.
Yep. I discovered that umask issue. I guess it's still a problem.
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Hamish Moffatt wrote:
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> On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 04:43:53AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > I like using groups to give different sets of rights and I'm
> > annoyed by Debian giving every user his own group. Is that
> > reall necessary?
>
> No, but it
gets processed for all shells, but is run
> before zshrc.
I use bash. Is this zsh better? :)
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e, I need root access to do it :(
^^^
That's what troubles me.
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ion.
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orting a true
event. :(
I don't have to defend a bug like this. If you tried to actually
reproduce it before dismissing it like this, you would see what
an annoying bug it is. Do you prefer that the bug remains unreported?
*sigh*
I feel like a lot of bugs are being *censored*. :(
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ip/ppa-bugvfatdefaults,user,exec,rw,noauto0 0
that happens to be data and gid 105 is windows
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"Eray Ozkural (exa)" wrote:
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> Try to reproduce what I do there. The permissions on parent
> are irrelevant. That's a vfat filesystem. Permissions are
> same everywhere anyway if you wonder.
Sorry sorry sorry sorry. Permissions on parent of course do matter
as you exp
Nathan E Norman wrote:
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> On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 03:05:50AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > Martin. Yes. I tried. Do you think I'm a newbie or something? Why
> > do you think the file is owned by root? It's on windows partition...
>
> Hold on ... this is
Chad Miller wrote:
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> On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 05:41:28PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > BUT gmc (and most possibly mc) will not be
> > able to rename stuff, though you can move
> > files ;) It's a bug for certain!
>
> Whoa. I don't understand th
Hi Martin,
in the light of what has been discussed...
could you please replicate the bug and report
upstream?
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I'll deploy it for other
interesting applications. (the most immediate is some kind of a bookmark
/personal-data manager)
Constructive comments most welcome. Criticism without reading any
of the papers I'd linked to before on this list will not be tolerated!!!
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is *totally* irrelevant here. It's the semantics
that matters.
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I'll be off for a few days, so I may not be able to answer the
posts in RFC: pools... thread.
Happy New Year!!
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wo of the problems I'm trying to address. Another is the structure
of ontology: a single inheritance tree doesn't seem to be sufficient.
Plus, we need a part-of hierarchy as well I'm sure...
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Branden Robinson wrote:
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> You know, kinda like the way I went nuclear on Wichert when he broke vim.
You use vi? Emacs rules.
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laimed in
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Date:
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Package: libc6-dev
Version: 2.1.3-8
Severity: normal
The preprocessor macro seems to be undefined. There are also other
subtleties while using pth
Peter Palfrader wrote:
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> Did you do this first?
No. I'm sending it here because I want it to be seen.
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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Wanted to make an ass of yourself in public, eh?
Yep.
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Ben Collins wrote:
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>
> WOW. Go fucking figure. YOUR BUG REPORT says
>
> PTHREAD_ERRORCHECK_INITIALIZER_NP
>
> while this info page shows
>
> PTHREAD_ERRORCHECK_MUTEX_INITIALIZER_NP
>
argh. my first great mistake of the millenium. fuck me real
. Are all three types of mutexes
supported under glibc? According to the info manual it should be but...?
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strcmp then how
will I rightfully complain about my bug not getting attention? Sorry
Ben.
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Now it's my unavoidable duty to find out what has caused me to file this
bug.
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ause the bug I reported was inaccurate, and all
that. However, I would not have reported it if there was no problem. No bug
should be closed without some investigation and communication by the maintainer.
BTW, might bugzilla be better than Debian BTS in some aspects? Just a thought...
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important packages.
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appreciate the huge effort and many juicy changelog
> entries that have gone into libc6 recently.
I do, too. I appreciate Ben's skills and effort. Sorry if there's
misunderstanding. For instance, there was this bug about fmemopen() and
a few days later, the fix from CVS was in debian. A
be the second developer for libc6 then start fixing some bugs!
Ahem! *choke* Perhaps, I must start with the (inaccurate) bug I'd
reported!!
I'll just determine the cause of that bug and see what I can do myself.
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Package: general
Version: N/A; reported 2001-01-06
Severity: important
After I upgraded from potato to woody on
an i386 machine, I observed a strange sympton
I login as root. It doesn't matter where, console, X or
from network...
When I check the environment, normal user environment is
present. I
Package: xserver-xfree86
Version: 4.0.1-9
Severity: important
When I try to start X server as a user, the X server complains that
the authorization has failed and terminates. Likewise when
trying to login from gdm (tried other display managers, too)
I can't paste anything now but as far as I can
pioneer of the list.
I upgraded our research cluster to unstable because I wanted
to use it for testing the latest cluster software.
If you call your insults to another contributor to debian "deserved rant",
then I'd think you are either misinterpreting your status or unaware of
any soc
then
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Hamish Moffatt wrote:
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> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:48:58PM +0200, Eray Ozkural wrote:
> > Such primitive reaction of yours is not likely to arouse interest
> > in prospective contributors; to join debian and to work with people
> > like you.
>
> Fortunately, Era
stop reporting bugs
> against general, and subscribe to a UNIX help mailing list.
Why are you pretending that this is an FAQ. This happened twice on
systems that I used, and was caused by an upgrade. I marked it important
not because it is difficult to solve, but because it would apparently
disrupt o
ealt with if bug reports were subject to peer review. I think that
review by wider audience may be instrumental in that...
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are the ones that I tries) to function correctly?
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Hamish Moffatt wrote:
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> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 11:34:04PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > If you call your insults to another contributor to debian "deserved rant",
> > then I'd think you are either misinterpreting your status or unaware of
> > an
e time. It's
been a long time, but I hope I will be able to replicate the bug.
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ng at all to say on the subject.
Yes, I did. At any rate, you didn't have to publicly insult me.
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on if they don't have a cristal ball handy.
When I have more time on my hands, the bug reports become more comprehensive.
Excuse me for being paranoid about bug reports, but some of the bug reports
are really being overlooked.
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tiation, while of course
> non-SSL-capable telnet clients will still be able to connect insecurely.
that sounds even better. perhaps ms is a good place to work at. :)
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Hi Myth and all,
I filed a bug report about the new mozilla 0.7 release. It looks
like it's got PSM built in so it will comfort a lot of people.
It would be highly appreciated if you could give it a whirl.
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be used in an unlimited fashion. Which is usual for a development
tool.
URL:
http://sources.redhat.com/cgen/
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On the bts web interface, it's written that closed bugs are cleaned
up after a period of inactivity. Are they permanently erased?
I'd prefer that a complete history of all bugs is preserved.
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Josip Rodin wrote:
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> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 03:00:56PM +0300, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > On the bts web interface, it's written that closed bugs are cleaned
> > up after a period of inactivity. Are they permanently erased?
> > I'd prefer that a complet
e contact me?
Unfortunately I'm not available until February, but if you have any problems
I'd try to help.
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