Re: Should dpkg-source -x list patches (Re: How to handle Debian patches)

2008-05-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2008-05-21 kello 09:09 +0200, Andreas Tille kirjoitti: > Would you regard this as a useful bug report or not? I think that would be a rather excellently useful bug report. The only way to improve it would be to include an actual patch to implement it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PRO

Re: packages up for adoption

2008-05-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2008-05-22 kello 04:35 +0200, Michael Meskes kirjoitti: > Am Mittwoch, 21. Mai 2008 20:53:51 schrieb Joey Hess: > > I'll no longer be maintaining the following packages. I plan to orphan > > them next week and hope to find new maintainers for them before then. > > ... > > acpi > > I take this

Re: What should postrm purge actually do?

2008-06-04 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2008-06-04 kello 13:38 +0200, Jeremiah C. Foster kirjoitti: > I think removing log files is a bad practice. A user may need to keep > those log files (by law for example) and unbeknownst to them, debian > has removed them when they removed web server X to replace it with > web server Y. In th

Re: Bug#486425: ITP: bomstrip -- strip Byte-Order Marks from UTF-8 text files

2008-06-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2008-06-17 kello 10:41 +0300, Peter Pentchev kirjoitti: > As to the packaging, though, I wonder. The sed and awk implementations > of bomstrip have problems with files that do not end in a newline. > Thus, I would prefer to package either the Perl or the C implementation. > The C implementatio

Re: Policy question - deleting files belonging to another package

2008-06-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2008-06-22 kello 16:07 -0700, Mike Bird kirjoitti: > It seems to me that it ought to be against policy to use a > maintainer script to delete files belonging to another > non-conflicting non-replacing package, but I haven't found > such a policy. > > Does anyone have the answer so I can give i

Re: bashism question

2008-06-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2008-06-25 kello 08:47 +0100, Adam D. Barratt kirjoitti: > Adam D. Barratt wrote: > [...] > > The next release of checkbashisms will include a "--posix" flag which > > will allow the non-POSIX behaviours permitted by policy to be flagged. > > Currently neither set of "local" checks flags "local

Re: bashism question

2008-06-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2008-06-25 kello 09:18 +0100, Adam D. Barratt kirjoitti: > As "foo=bar" is an argument "more complex than simple variables" and > the > example explicitly shows the use of local to declare the variable followed > by assignment to it, my reading of policy is that "local foo=bar" is not > perm

Re: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian (Was: Bug#487732: O: ispell -- International Ispell (an interactive spelling corrector))

2008-07-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2008-07-01 kello 12:10 +0200, Thibaut Paumard kirjoitti: > Come on, UTF-8 is good. UTF-8 also 16 years old. That's enough for people to get driver's licenses in the US, to have legal sex in many parts of the world, and to vote in local elections in some parts of the world. Surely it's enough a

Re: Dpkg triggers and user experience, aka "How do I disable those triggers" side effect.

2008-07-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2008-07-03 kello 08:24 +0200, Andreas Tille kirjoitti: > /me as a completely uneducated apt / aptitude user thinks: Triggers have > done more harm than good. I haven't been following trigger adoption very much, so I'm ignorant: what harm have triggers done? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMA

Re: bug closed by $p4m mail?

2008-07-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2008-07-03 kello 08:39 +0200, Johannes Wiedersich kirjoitti: > What is the proper way to get the s_p_a_m removed from the bts and to > reopen the bug? To contact the 'sender' of the spam mail as suggested by > the bts seems absurd. For removing the spam, see the link near the bottom of the bug

Re: piuparts output wishlist?

2009-07-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2009-07-03 kello 11:39 +0200, Peter Pöschl kirjoitti: > What about emitting this as TAP, the Test Anything Protocol [1]? That is a very interesting suggestion. I don't think it looks very good for human consumption, but I would love to have a plugin to optionally produce it for situations wher

Re: lintian-like tools in teams / early lintian stories

2009-07-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2009-07-21 kello 15:19 +0200, martin f krafft kirjoitti: > Several people also hinted at piuparts, but that's not exactly what > I wanted, since piuparts is really more of a general quality > assurance tool, intended mostly to be run by few people over many > packages, whereas lintian and packa

piuparts output format: a proposal

2009-07-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
I propose the following as the new output format of piuparts: * Standard output will report tests that have been run, and their results. This output will be similar to the lintian output. This output should usually be pretty short, and to the point. * Additionally, a log file will be written,

Re: piuparts output format: a proposal

2009-07-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2009-07-24 kello 10:44 -0500, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti: > On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > > > * Failed tests may _optionally_ also write dumps of the virtual > > environment (chroot, eventually maybe kvm images) so things may > > be deb

Re: Question regarding the default system shell

2009-07-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2009-07-26 kello 13:36 +0200, Siggy Brentrup kirjoitti: > My question is: will it ever happen that I may safely leave > /bin/sh -> dash > while running an upgrade without fearing a maintainer script > fails? Been there. Done that. Had no problems. Also, Ubuntu, which mainly uses Debian pa

Bug#544441: RFA: enemies-of-carlotta -- mailing list manager)

2009-08-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
I forgot the X-Debbugs-Cc in my original e-mail, sorry. Package: wnpp Severity: normal I would like to find a new maintainer for the enemies-of-carlotta package. It is a mailing list manager, of which I am upstream. I will gladly fix any bugs that exist upstream, but I do not wish to maintain the

Re: responsibility for iptables bug

2009-09-15 Thread Lars Bahner
2009/9/15 Marco d'Itri : > On Sep 14, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: > >> LB> You could file this a a wishlist bug report against the iptables >> LB> package, and see if the  maintainer wish to add this file (or a larger >> LB> /etc/sysctl.d/iptables.conf with some sane defaults). > What makes you beli

Re: responsibility for iptables bug

2009-09-15 Thread Lars Bahner
2009/9/15 Marco d'Itri : > On Sep 15, Lars Bahner wrote: > >> Prey tell, what is wrong with maintainers of for example iptables, >> providing a conffile >> with samples (which may even be commented out) which they can >> reference to in their documentation, whe

Re: Debian Mirror with lzma compressed packages

2007-01-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-01-15 at 09:34 +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: > Since the day that dpkg officially supports lzma compressed packages, Gürkan > runs > a mirror of binary packages (i386, sid, main) which can be used easily. The > general save of downloading is about 30 %. The scripts how it is done and > t

Re: Debian Mirror with lzma compressed packages

2007-01-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-01-15 at 14:31 +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 12:39:18PM +0000, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > Does LZMA have any drawbacks? > > It is far less deployed as bzip2, so manually unpacking .deb packages on > some random GNU/Linux or Unix rescue system

Bug#332739: Processed: retitle 332739 to debian packages are not safe to build on AFS, since find is typically used without -noleaf ...

2007-01-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-01-22 at 19:51 +1100, Brian May wrote: > 2. Is it possible to get find to autodetect the file system, and use > -noleaf only as required? Maybe get it to look for "." and ".." and if > it can't find them, automatically use -noleaf. Embedding filesystem > specific changes like this into

Powers and repositories – Ubuntu and De bian

2007-01-26 Thread Lars Risan
best wishes, Lars Risan -- Centre for Technology, Innovation and Culture University of Oslo, P.O.box 1108 Blindern, N-0349 Oslo, Norway Phone office: + (47) 22 84 16 07 private: + (47) 22 15 00 94 cell phone: + (47) 924 40 986 Web: http://folk.uio.no/lrisan/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Attempts at security

2007-02-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2007-02-03 at 12:37 +0100, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > > > Not being able to change the cause to the better doesn't mean to > > > introduce a mess to control the result. And I really hope that Debian > > > never considers installing+enabling selinux by default. > > > > IIRC, debian/etch alread

Re: Message header fields (was: Bits from the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD porters)

2007-02-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-02-05 at 20:46 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Then your name, and your email address, belongs in the From field. I agree with this. (And this AOL is the main point of this message. The titbit below is just filler.) > Meanwhile, the message header is about the message *as an email > messag

Re: RFC: use readable $(cmd) syntax instead of unreadable `cmd`

2007-02-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-02-09 at 20:11 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > I'm askinf if it is ok to to reopen such bugs based of better QA > aspects. It's a matter of style and taste. Unless you can quote verifiable statistics that using backticks instead of $() is causing problems (that is, bug numbers), let it be.

Re: Bug#412566: ITP: aes2501-wy -- userspace software for usb aes2501 fingerprint scanner

2007-02-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-02-26 at 23:09 +0100, Evgeni Golov wrote: > On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:28:28 +0100 Miguel Gea Milvaques wrote: > > > Command line scanning sofware for AES2501B usb fingerprint reader. > > The ouput are gray pnm files with quite good quality. > > Please mention Authentec (the vendor) and

Re: How to close ITP bug which is a duplicate of one marked done?

2007-03-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-03-12 at 09:45 +0100, Krzysztof Burghardt wrote: > Hello Developers, > > How can I close bug #387858 which is a duplicate of already closed > #406404? > > bluetooth-alsa package contains software for both SCO and A2DP profiles, > and thus new package btsco is no longer need. If it's

Re: How to close ITP bug which is a duplicate of one marked done?

2007-03-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-03-12 at 20:29 +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > Does 'allowed' just mean 'it's impolite to close other peoples' bugs' > or 'the BTS will stop you'? It means "it's impolite...". The BTS software doesn't care. -- Fundamental truth #5: Always ask the simple troubleshooting questions fir

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is > capable of submitting a useful bug report? A GUI version of reportbug would be nice, thoug

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-03-16 at 13:03 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:23:09PM +0000, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > A GUI version of reportbug would be nice, though. Having to open a terminal > > and deal with clumsy line based user interfaces is not a hindrance, but > &

Re: Alioth lists are too strict in checking senders

2007-03-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-03-22 at 10:43 -0600, Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz wrote: > Is 'forced to relay through a gateway' an instance of 'thoroughly > misconfigured'? Or is it just a corner case not worth bothering for? > > (I'm not _quite_ trolling. I'd like to know if I ought to spend the > effort to change

Re: Results for General Resolution: Altering package upload rules

2007-03-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-03-23 at 10:32 +0100, BALLABIO GERARDO wrote: > Debian Project Secretary wrote: > > At the end of voting, with 313 Ballots resulting in 260 votes from 257 > developers, "General Resolution: Altering package upload rules" has > carried the day. > > Please forgive me if this is a stupid

Re: Results for General Resolution: Altering package upload rules

2007-03-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-03-23 at 21:05 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On pe, 2007-03-23 at 10:32 +0100, BALLABIO GERARDO wrote: > > > Debian Project Secretary wrote: > > > > At the end of voting, with 313 Ballots resulting

Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007

2007-03-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-03-28 at 14:57 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > just want to give my vote and concentrate on the rankings I want to give > and not learn about tools to submit my vote. >From memory (my shell history isn't long enough), here's what I did: 1. Copy ballot to text file (vote.txt). 2. Edit it

Bug#416992: ITP: gtkcanvas-muxitex-slur-k -- Postscript Slur Package K for MusiXTeX

2007-03-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Package: wnpp Owner: Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Severity: wishlist * Package name: gtkcanvas-muxitex-slur-k Version : 4.1 Upstream Author : Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : N/A * License : CDDL Programming Lang: C#, with Markov C

Lame joke, explained

2007-04-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
This ITP was (obviously) an attempt at an April's Fool joke. Some time ago I played a bit with Markov Chains, which are a method for taking an input text, and generating output that uses words from the input, but is gibberish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_Chain). I got the idea that it would

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-04-02 at 19:26 +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > Given how easy it is to canonicalise the timestamp data, the fact that > it's data loss and the questionable utility of the information why is it > worth it? Maintaining status quo is easy. Making programs that compare timestamps understand tim

Re: Modifying /etc/apt/sources.list in postinst ; determining the suite in postinst

2007-04-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2007-04-03 at 16:28 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > To install a cross-building toolchain, apt/aptitude needs to be told > about the Emdebian [2] toolchain repository [3]. Currently, that is done > by the emsetup program in emdebian-tools but I'm wondering if it is > better done in postinst. T

Re: Use bz2 not gz for orig.tar ?

2007-04-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-04-12 at 10:12 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 12:12:00PM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote: > > This would reduce our archive size by some 20% if all packages moved to > > bzip2. > > Why not lzma? It reduces size even more and doesn't suffer from the "all our > code bel

Re: The number of etch installations is rocketing...

2007-04-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-04-12 at 12:16 +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: > * 2007-04-12 12:09, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > As long as we don't use that to collect sensitive information, it would be > > ok IMO. (Of course, a preseed question could avoid it completely too) > > I think Google Earth for Linux does

Re: Intent to remove /usr/bin/X11 from PATH in /etc/login.defs

2007-04-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2007-04-15 at 19:33 +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > Are there any objections to us changing this setting in the default > /etc/login.defs file? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls -ld /usr/bin/X11 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2007-04-12 21:08 /usr/bin/X11 -> . Anything found via /usr/bin/X11 will be found

Re: packages newer in Ubuntu than in Debian (reduced false positives)

2007-05-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2007-05-01 at 14:29 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Tuesday 01 May 2007 14:02, Bart Martens wrote: > > I have updated the list to hide packages with identical upstream > > version numbers but with different epochs. This might hide some real > > positives but most likely hides more false positi

Re: LSB init scripts

2007-05-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-05-03 at 13:39 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > My ideal output format would just list "subsystem OK" While we're daydreaming, I'd like an empty screen with a timer counting down how long (in seconds) I have until I can actually use the machine. Unless there's a problem, of course, in whic

Re: BTS subscription fixed

2007-05-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-05-14 at 10:51 +0200, ar wrote: > Still get no subscribing confirmation mail. > > Please see my bugreport on that problem: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420261 > > The bug is still open for me. That bug is from April. Did you try again after Frans announced it as

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-05-16 at 23:17 +0100, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > That's trivial to check. Just feed it to recode and specify UTF-8 > Hexadecimal input: You might also be interested in isutf8 from moreutils. -- Never underestimate the power of a small tactical Lisp interpreter. -- To UNSUBS

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-05-16 at 16:26 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > We should expect that given the same source, headers, and libraries, we > would get the same bytes out of a build every time. Any deviation from this > would indicate something different, or erratic. If it doesn't cause > problems, fine,

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-05-21 at 20:08 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > The description for -curiosa does not suggest it to be appropiate for > the kind of off-topic discussions going on on -user. Your conclusion is correct, and I'd like to suggest a corollary: there's no Debian mailing list where advocating v

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2007-05-22 at 13:30 +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: > 1. The GPLv3: the latest draft did not raise major objections from > -legal and despite its concerns with the strategies developed in some > sections, Debian does consider it DFSG-free. Debian will however not > push for its adoption, ma

Re: A sane guess at default Debian mirror for pbuilder

2007-05-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-05-28 at 00:25 +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > piuparts: > Looks at first 'deb' line from /etc/apt/sources.list > -> Can't handle /etc/apt/sources.list.d > -> Assumes that the top entry is the best I didn't want to have piuparts use all sources.list en

Re: A sane guess at default Debian mirror for pbuilder

2007-05-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2007-05-27 at 18:05 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > That would be very handy! The default could then be the > closest/quickest primary mirror. It would be important (from my > perspective) that this default is required to be a primary mirror - > maybe offer the user only the list of primaries

Re: A sane guess at default Debian mirror for pbuilder

2007-05-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2007-05-27 at 20:06 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > Unless your own mirror supports all Debian architectures, you will > still need a primary for emdebian-tools. Do you test build your own > Debian packages against your own mirror? Is that wise? I don't use emdebian in any way, so any require

Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?

2007-06-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2007-06-05 at 10:37 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > We also have some funny 3D games with huge data packages. So > were is the borderline for this. Does it make sense to install > a data repository that is not mirrored? I suggest that it makes sense to a) package the data as .debs, for eas

Enough already - Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Little useful or helpful has been said in this thread for a while now. Please don't continue the discussion, at least on debian-devel. (Sorry to be so blunt.) -- Rule #13 for successful communication: don't do Latin quotations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "u

Re: transition of packages into testing

2007-06-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-06-21 at 14:40 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: > I am trying to figure out why texmacs has not entered into testing. I > visited http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=texmacs but there I > was not able to find any useful information. All it says is > > * trying to upda

Re: transition of packages into testing

2007-06-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-06-21 at 17:01 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: > 1) How can I request for a new build on ia64? or will it happen > automatically? This is outside my area of expertese, but I would assume that the buildds don't automatically re-try a failed build. Instead, they'll wait for the packa

Re: Bug#489836: ITP: maq -- Mapping and Assembly with Quality

2008-07-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2008-07-08 kello 14:51 +0900, Charles Plessy kirjoitti: > How about "builds assembly by mapping short reads to reference > sequences"? Speaking as an outsider to both biology and interior decoration, as far as I can determine that short description could apply equally well to genetics and IKEA

Re: Debian release versioning

2008-07-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2008-07-12 kello 18:09 +0200, martin f krafft kirjoitti: > So lenny will be Debian 5.0. Many people have questioned this > choice, given how we onconsistently went ...-2.0-2.1-2.2-3.0-3.1-4.0 > in the last decade, but it's the RM's choice and not to be debated. > > What is to be debated is how

Re: Good communication with upstream is good idea

2008-07-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2008-07-21 kello 09:26 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli kirjoitti: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 01:43:13PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > You can close Launchpad bugs in Ubuntu packages from Debian. The "LP: > > ##" > > syntax lets bugs get autoclosed when your package is synced to Debian, or > >

Re: Can a package modify slapd.conf in its maintainer script?

2008-08-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2008-08-10 kello 19:34 +0200, Fabio Tranchitella kirjoitti: > Considering that slapd.conf is not (anymore) a conffile, in my opinion this > behaviour is not forbidden from the Debian policy and thus the bug report > could be closed without any change to the phamm-ldap package. > > Of course, h

Re: Upcoming changes to supported architectures

2008-08-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2008-08-15 kello 09:59 +0200, Ingo Juergensmann kirjoitti: > True. I would rather like to see the m68k porters to spend their time on > real porting issues than on establishing the infrastructure that is needed > because of the immanent drop. It seems to me that _if_ the proposed change happe

Re: Bug#497056: lsb-base: /lib/lsb/init-functions NON-DSFG Licence ?

2008-08-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2008-08-29 kello 18:30 +0300, root kirjoitti: > Please investigate if files included in lsb-base conform to DFSG. A lincense > change to GPL would be better suited for Debian. In what way do you think the lsb-base license does not conform to the DFSG? > Policy / 2.1. The Debian Free Software

Re: Bug#497056: lsb-base: /lib/lsb/init-functions NON-DSFG Licence ?

2008-08-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2008-08-29 kello 11:20 -0500, William Pitcock kirjoitti: > This is DFSG-free, and meets both requirements. Since I agree with William, I'm closing the bug. If Jari disagrees, he'll let us know. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Bug#496967: general: System completely blocks any input

2008-08-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2008-08-29 kello 19:51 +0200, Frank Küster kirjoitti: > Any ideas how I can start debugging this? My first suspicion would be about the hardware. You could run memtest86+ for at least 12 hours or until the first error. Another idea: you could test the system with another version of Debian, or

Re: Section of the sendmail manual page

2008-08-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2008-08-29 kello 20:42 +0200, Michael Schutte kirjoitti: > sendmail(8) (citadel-mta has neither of them; I’m going to open a > serious bug after receiving some replies to this mail). I don't think a missing manual page is a serious bug. > Which section of the manual do you think sendmail belo

Bug#496967: general: System completely blocks any input

2008-08-30 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2008-08-30 kello 12:21 +0200, Frank Küster kirjoitti: > Can I download an iso image of a boot CD with memtest86+ somewhere? Do the Debian installer disks have that? I know that the Ubuntu ones do. (If the Debian ones don't, that would be a good wishlist bug to file, I think.) The Ubuntu live

Re: 25+2 packages with (Glade) generated C source files without the source

2008-09-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2008-09-07 kello 19:29 +0100, Ian Jackson kirjoitti: > I would say that _at the time when these projects were first shipped_ > in this state, it _was_ a clear violation (both of our principles and > of the GPL) to do so. As far as I understand, when most of those projects first shipped, the C

RE: [Pkg-kde-extras] Bug#498263: kaffeine: please provide debian/README.source

2008-09-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2008-09-09 kello 12:50 +1000, Mark Purcell kirjoitti: > We provide a patch target, which we felt meets the requirement of policy 2.8. (There is no section 2.8 in the policy manual. The relevant section is 4.14, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-readmesource) > debian-de

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

2007-08-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-08-08 at 14:12 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Without that structure, and a strict policy of being *only* an index > to existing documents, I don't see how this project would avoid > creating yet-another-document to read, compounding the problem you > initially described. I think it makes

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-08-17 kello 10:07 +0200, Romain Francoise kirjoitti: > It seems to me that the time spent to generate it on the buildds is > probably insignificant compared to the total time needed to build > the package... And since generating it can be done with a trivial > shell command, it's not a co

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-08-17 kello 10:58 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli kirjoitti: > I fail to see any of those. I think that most of the packages without > the md5sums just happen to have been packaged before dh_md5sums was > available, There's also a number of packages packaged without using debhelper. (Mine is, u

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-08-17 kello 17:05 -0500, Peter Samuelson kirjoitti: > I'd opt for dpkg generating the checksums upon _extracting_ the .deb > file. We already claim that the md5sums file isn't supposed to be any > kind of security thing. Why bother to ship it? It is redundant > information which can eas

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-08-17 kello 10:12 -0700, Russ Allbery kirjoitti: > Some packages (aspell and ispell packages in particular) ship files that > they then modify in maintainer scripts and intentionally exclude them from > the md5sums file for that reason. lintian has special code to deal with > this case.

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2007-08-18 kello 10:16 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli kirjoitti: > One of the reason is that no one yet showed code implementing this in > dpkg and we don't know a timeframe for this, while we know how to get it > working right now with dh_md5sums. The other reasons is that once we > have the suppor

Re: Bug#438712: minimalist: The package description should use the pseudo-standard " Homepage:" trick

2007-08-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2007-08-19 kello 18:27 +0200, Christoph Berg kirjoitti: > Please someone push forward the XB-Homepage: idea. Does someone have a handy summary of where things stand with moving homepage urls out from Description and into their own header? -- You need fewer comments, if you choose your names

Re: Bug#438712: minimalist: The package description should use the pseudo-standard " Homepage:" trick

2007-08-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2007-08-19 kello 10:50 -0700, Russ Allbery kirjoitti: > Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > su, 2007-08-19 kello 18:27 +0200, Christoph Berg kirjoitti: > > >> Please someone push forward the XB-Homepage: idea. > > > Does someone have a hand

Re: Bug#438712: minimalist: The package description should use the pseudo-standard " Homepage:" trick

2007-08-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-08-20 kello 09:53 +1000, Paul Wise kirjoitti: > I suggest that the homepage does not belong inside the package at all > (because it can change separately to the package) and would be better > off being maintained on packages.debian.org and merged into the > Packages files similar to how de

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-08-27 kello 13:57 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: > Why is the Opera browser not included in Debian? > > "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." > Albert Einstein It is not free software. I had a quick peek at the license in the .deb available from Opera's

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-08-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2007-08-29 kello 18:00 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson kirjoitti: > On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 10:58:17AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > I don't think so. Hasn't tar defaulted to something approximately > > /dev/rmt0 for *YEARS*, not just on Linux but on just about every platform, > > if -f is not gi

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2007-09-02 kello 12:47 -0700, Steve Langasek kirjoitti: > Does anyone else have a reasoned argument why Debian should have a weaker > password length check than upstream (4 chars instead of 6)? If not, this > will be changed in the next upload of pam. What's the justification of not using a m

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-09-03 kello 09:30 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen kirjoitti: > I've been told that the schools using Debian Edu in lower grades pick > very simple and short passwords for the kids, and this will become > harder if the minimum lenght is increased. Thought it was best to > bring that up publicly

Re: man-db's cron warns about dangling symlink

2007-09-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-09-03 kello 16:04 +0200, Michael Banck kirjoitti: > On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 12:57:38AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > The bug is that although the mpich-bin package uses > > update-alternatives --install on postinst for all these files, it uses > > update-alternatives --remove only on /

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-09-03 kello 08:33 -0600, Wesley J. Landaker kirjoitti: > Especially when the most common response I've seen to a system saying > that a > password is not long enough is to start adding easily guessable extension > strings to the password the user already picked, NOT to sit back down and

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-09-04 kello 10:17 +0900, Miles Bader kirjoitti: > If the system is excessively anal about what passwords it will let you > use, people will just start writing them down... That is arguably better than having passwords which can be guessed by doing brute-force attackes over ssh. -- Happi

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-09-03 kello 23:40 -0400, John Kelly kirjoitti: > On Sep 3, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > >That is arguably better than having passwords which can be guessed by > >doing brute-force attackes over ssh. > > I stop brute force attacks by sending auth log messages to a FIFO w

Re: [RFC] Promoting the use of "Homepage:" field in debian/control

2007-09-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2007-09-20 kello 07:05 +0200, Christian Perrier kirjoitti: > Of course, a mass bug-filing could also later happen but that would > probably be a *huge* bug filing which should be avoided now. Entering > a transition period where all communication media towards develpers > are used to suggest sw

Re: [RFC] Promoting the use of "Homepage:" field in debian/control

2007-09-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-09-21 kello 16:44 +0200, Adeodato Simó kirjoitti: > * Christian Perrier [Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:02:56 +0200]: > > > Again, please comment, > > Personally, I think the change that should really go first is lintian/linda > (emitting a warning for packages that put the homepage in the descript

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-09-25 kello 12:19 +1000, Ben Finney kirjoitti: > Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > How do you determine that being able to [parse email addresses in > > package metadata] is more important than concerns over disseminating > > other people's email addresses without their permiss

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-09-25 kello 17:07 +1000, Ben Finney kirjoitti: > Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If they distribute their work without an e-mail address attached, > > should the Debian packager go dig one up? > > > > If they distribute their w

Re: How to detect if inside a buildd chroot

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-09-25 kello 11:55 +0200, Simon Richter kirjoitti: > Hi, > > Sebastian Dröge schrieb: > > > does somebody know about a solution to check whether one runs in a > > buildd chroot or not? I need this to prevent hal from starting in buildd > > chroots (via invoke-rc.d from postinst) as it bre

Re: How to detect if inside a buildd chroot

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-09-25 kello 08:18 -0500, John Goerzen kirjoitti: > I don't really think that chroot is the appropriate tool for this. > Why not > something more strongly isolated, such as vserver, OpenVZ, or even Xen or > UML for this? If the chroot has a policy-rc.d that says not to start daemons, any

Re: How to detect if inside a buildd chroot

2007-09-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2007-09-26 kello 13:49 -0700, Tyler MacDonald kirjoitti: > Yep... but I still find it a bit annoying that I have to override > binaries > like start-stop-daemon or invoke-rc.d when building a chroot. I wish there > was a way to just set a flag that means "dpkg, don't start/stop any > services

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ot render contact information incorrect. If I write my e-mail address as follows, it's still correct: "My full name is Lars Ivar Wirzenius, and you can send me e-mail by taking my initials and putting them in front of the at sign and iki.fi after it." Mind you, I don't like ob

Re: Bits from the listmasters

2007-10-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-10-09 kello 18:33 +0200, Kurt Roeckx kirjoitti: > On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 01:44:47PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > > How to help listmasters against spam > > > > > >* If you notice a spam in the list archives, press the 'Report As > > Spa

Re: Bug#446050: Liferea dies with sqlite 3.5

2007-10-11 Thread Lars Lindner
to > be changed to sqlite3_free (you'll see in a backtrace). This was the critical hint. Thanks again! Fixed upstream with Liferea release 1.4.5b. Patch against 1.4.5 is attached. Best Regards, Lars Index: src/db.c === ---

Re: Bits from the Security Team

2007-10-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-10-19 kello 18:29 +0200, Adrian von Bidder kirjoitti: > Seriously: I think exactly this kind of "not really much new stuff going > on, but here's what we're continuing to do" kind of information should be > more visible, because it, too, is valuable information to somebody who is > no

Re: Bug#447712: Package could be non-free in the United Kingdom

2007-10-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-10-23 kello 12:35 +0100, Matthew Vernon kirjoitti: > The Authorized Version of the Bible isn't covered by Copyright in > the > conventional sense. The Queen's Printer (currently Cambridge > University Press) has an exclusive commercial right to print the AV > (and the BCP, but that's

Re: Bug#447712: Package could be non-free in the United Kingdom

2007-10-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-10-23 kello 09:44 -0500, Steve Greenland kirjoitti: > But the license on the package itself doesn't make that restriction. If I have understood things correctly, in England (and the rest of the UK?) the copyright is owned by the crown and therefore it is the crown that sets the license. I

Re: Proposalto introduce compiler options passed from dpkg-buildpackage

2007-12-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-12-05 at 21:11 +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: > IIRC we cannot assume that debian/rules is a makefile and pass them as > macros directly, so we have to pass them as environment variables. Debian Policy, 4.9, "Main building script: debian/rules": This file must be an executable m

Re: Please don't list available translations in the package description

2007-12-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Bah, sorry about the previous mail, sent it before it was finished. On pe, 2007-12-07 at 15:28 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Friday 7 December 2007 11:52, Enrico Zini wrote: > > If we want to implement a feature such that we can see what packages are > > localised for a given language, that s

Re: Please don't list available translations in the package description

2007-12-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-12-07 at 15:28 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Friday 7 December 2007 11:52, Enrico Zini wrote: > > If we want to implement a feature such that we can see what packages are > > localised for a given language, that should be done differently, most > > likely by building a database sca

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