On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 09:55:17AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Josh Triplett, le jeu. 19 déc. 2024 19:05:56 -0800, a ecrit:
> > Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > Ansgar 🙀, le jeu. 19 déc. 2024 16:21:03 +0100, a ecrit:
> > > > And it is actively harmful as if one edit
Russ Allbery wrote:
> And this is the root of the problem: you want one thing for understandable
> reasons, and other people, like myself, would prefer the opposite behavior
> of having /etc empty by default for different understandable reasons. We
> both understand the other's point of view and si
Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> I'd like to hear from people who manage container
> images. They were the ones whose complaints led to the separation of
> how e2fsprogs-l10n from e2fsprogs in the first place
How many containers need to have e2fsprogs installed at all?
My container images just don't inc
On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 01:28:11PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 09:28:34AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > There are a variety of reasons people don't want a package installed.
> > For packages that run a service or affects how the system behaves
Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 01:02:29PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
>> https://bugs.debian.org/1089110
>
> I've looked at this bug, but unlessed I missed something, this seems
> to be "rm -rf /usr/share/locale" shouldn't cause binarie
On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 08:37:33AM -0600, rhys wrote:
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>
> > Right now, the model we have is "some packages use the empty /etc model,
> > some packages install commented-out defaults, and there's no
> > consistency". I'd love to move to the model of "all packages use
> > whichever model the sysa
On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 08:23:33AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2024 at 04:38:46PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 08:37:33AM -0600, rhys wrote:
> > > > Right now, the model we have is "some packages use the empty /etc model
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:12:24PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Container size is obviously not a priority for such users.
That is incorrect. Many, many users use Debian as the basis for
containers, and many such users care about container size, sufficiently
so to work on reducing it. You are sugge
Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> Should we start declaring deps on all essential packages explicitly?
I personally think that would be a good idea, though I'm not currently
trying to make the case for that across the board here. Right now, I'm
trying to make the case that that's a good first step for
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:56:49PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:25:53PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 02:56:58PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 01:38:18PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > &
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 12:48:08PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> Josh Triplett writes:
>
> > And the extra symlinks in `/etc/alternatives` don't take much size; I
> > agree you don't need update-alternatives, but then, you also don't
> > strictly ne
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 02:56:58PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 01:38:18PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > > Debian trixie images ship with 'mawk' pre-installed right now. While
> > > I'm not convinced the
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 08:58:29PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:05:13PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 12:48:08PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > > Josh Triplett writes:
> > >
> > > > And the extra sym
Michael Lazin wrote:
> I think removing awk is a bad idea. It will break legacy scripts as
> has already been suggested. I am mostly an observer on this list and
> say very little but I think that awk is used by a lot of people. I
> used it in a script that analyzed mail logs for example. It wa
G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> At 2025-04-20T23:22:04+0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:25:53PM +0100, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > > What I'm suggesting here is that if every individual package that
> > > needs awk has a Depends on it (via
to consider avoiding
it in *some* especially valuable cases, and conversely would allow folks
building container/VM/embedded images to know when they actually need
it.
In general, I think this is roughly the right approach for any proposed
work on the Essential set, with the first step being to declare
dependencies explicitly.
- Josh Triplett
Michael Stone wrote:
> Debian is a general purpose OS that can form the foundation for a lot
> of variants. But, that flexibility has a cost, and the cost is size &
> complexity. /var/lib/apt and /var/lib/dpkg alone are the size of a
> minimal linux distribution, without even accounting for actual
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