x27;s just about removing shared memory
segments and such, there's no need to clean up -- the system is about to
go away anyway.)
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I just set up the queue when ftp-master (auric at the time, IIRC) became
restricted. If the ftpmasters want to run the service themselves,
you're more than welcome to do so. :-)
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Just send him some cheese and red wine and he'll be happy. :-)
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ng disk I/O/database access/etc. as well, which means "stop"
| should wait till apache really quits.
Taking this argument a bit further, do you think that the sshd init
script should wait until all users have saved their work and logged
out before it gives control back to the init sequence?
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| subscribers send with random envelopes, but that's probably a bug in
| their mail environments.
Any reason not to just white-list those for all lists rather than
having it as a per-list option?
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msgdata['approved'] = 1
except AttributeError:
return
(You might want to print msg.keys() to syslog or something to get a
list of all headers if From isn't the right one.)
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C implementation in cdebconf weighing in at
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derived software which was in violation of the upstream licence.
Sure, it's anecdotal evidence, but they're out there.
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ssume that every header is arch-specific?
Given that the only cost is disk space, I think that's a tradeoff that
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they should ensure that the .a, .so stay in /usr/lib
|
| * pkg-config'd libraries may do whichever of those is most straightforward
If we want to support multiarch compilation, this sounds ok to me. I'm
personally not convinced by the point of doing it. Though.
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| Can you imagine a useful thing that is worth having every entry in
| projectb? If so, here's your chance :)
Searching for CVEs springs to mind. (You can have one which only
affects the version in unstable, in which case it would never hit a
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| symlinks to make autotools happy).
Feel free to try to convince me.
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| * License : No license, only a copyright file
Surely that makes it illegal for us to distribute?
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| But how would -dev packages signal that they need support for this? They
| do not depend on pkg-config as they are usable without. Should they
| Breaks: pkg-config (<< ver)? Seems too strong.
Breaks sounds fine to me.
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| Am Dienstag 02 Februar 2010 21:43:21 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
| > ]] Hendrik Sattler
| > | pkg-config actually does support relocation of the lib
]] Steve Langasek
| We don't really want extra -L options passed to the build for every
| library that's installed to the multiarch lib dir. Does pkgconfig
| filter these out?
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| On 27.02.2010 11:56, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > ]]
| >
| > | Well just like many of the comments to 348864, I just hate the
| > | "teasers" in section 1 that only root can run.
| >
| > Whether a tool is root-
".
I would guess at most people not using live migration and so never
hitting those kinds of problems.
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should make sure that people who aren't using debhelper can
continue not doing so, but those couple of hundred packages is a very
small fraction of the archive, even if some of them are important
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]] Frank Lin PIAT
| What about a transitional dh_md5sums that would produce md5sum AND
| invoke dh_sha ?
Or call it dh_checksums or something so we don't have to change the tool
name each time we decide to change the algorithm.
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; packages, so it is not the case.
|
| NVY> Any other reason?
|
| Wish of pkg-config maintainers.
Uhm, no.
| And GNOME developers insistance (so applications developers may
| blindly include gtk+2.0.pc and get all the stack).
Yes, historical baggage, basically.
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| On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
|
| > | And GNOME developers insistance (so applications developers may
| > | blindly include gtk+2.0.pc and get all the stack).
| >
| > Yes, historical baggage, basically.
|
| So this is being fixed for GTK+ 3
pyright on
|those files (I am not sure if he played any of those games)
That's probably not relevant. Even if they're not copyrightable by
themselves, there are database rights to be taken into consideration.
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Package: wnpp
Owner: Tollef Fog Heen
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: systemd
Version : 0
Upstream Author : Lennart Pottering
* URL or Web page : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd
* Code: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/
* License : GPLv2
ether sysvinit is Essential or not is a bit irrelevant to whether
people can experiment with other init systems.
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I am so far just testing on a singe machine, but it's my firm belief
that it's possible to have a fully functional systemd in squeeze.
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| On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 05:25:16PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > I am so far just testing on a singe machine, but it's my firm belief
| > that it's possible to have a fully functional systemd in squeeze.
|
| Only if #579755 is solved. While testing s
le IFS or PATH being different from its
default value would be buggy. If it absolutely needs a given value, it
should tell the system that.
| bindv6only=0 is assumed by both POSIX and RFC 3493.
As the default value, yes. Not as the only possible value.
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]] Salvo Tomaselli
| On Thursday 13 May 2010 17:54:04 Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > Because it does not handle non-default values. This is just like an
| > application that didn't handle IFS or PATH being different from its
| > default value would be buggy.
|
| Do you know what happe
]] Salvo Tomaselli
| > And handling bindv6only is absolutely trivial.
|
| Right, but there are many others sysctl options, why should the apps
| deal with this particular one and not with the others?
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LSB header or kill the S rcN.d links/make them into K links.
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which I read. It'd also make your mails more readable if you leave a
blank line between what you quote and your reply.)
| On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 09:04 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
|
t mean you can't
configure it otherwise of course.
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| opt-in like in the Options dialog ?
«opt-in» usually means «requires active effort to be enabled», so in
this case, disabled by default.
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- The tabs are always the same size, meaning it's hard to keep track
when I have many tabs.
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| Le samedi 22 mai 2010 à 08:43 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit :
| > | I don't see what you mean by "iffy" tabbed browsing, what's wrong with
| > | tabbed browsing in Epiphany?
| >
| > For me, at least two things:
| >
| > - C-TAB/C-S-
n addgroup foo, every user created after
that will not be considered to be a UPG user. Perhaps addgroup
shouldn't use the same gid range as what we are using for users, to make
this problem at least smaller, if not make it go away.
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|
| Eh, Debian can patch upstream software if it thinks it is necessary for
| inter-operation, that's the one of the major points of having a
| distribution.
Wouldn't it be easier to generate a configuration directory in /var from
snippets in /etc/postfix, if that was what you desired?
cate and remove functionality which then makes packages FTBFS?
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| On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 02:54:17PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > ]] Neil Williams
|
| > | You seem to think that every package is going to be uploaded just for
| > | the sake of an upload.
|
| > | There is no way to guarantee that ALL packages in De
;t just go the route that people have taken
with harden-* in the past is something I don't understand, but I'm not
going to tell people how to best go about their business when it doesn't
affect me.)
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an guarantee
| > that depinit will catch the signal.
|
| systemd does all that.
More importantly: systemd _allows_ them to do that, it doesn't require
them. From the description of depinit, it sounds like it requires all
daemons to be modified.
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on windows??
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd is hit number four or
five for it on google.
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| still do, and I *know* many of us still do.
Part of software freedom is the no discrimination against fields of
endeavour bit. Software that's not allowed to be used for evil
(whatever that is) as well as good isn't free.
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| Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > | Some made the comparison (like you just did) with IM clients, specific
| > | browsers (like youtube clients and others), but I don't believe this
| > | applies here. To my opinion, I believe this is a remotely executed
| > | proce
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a reply, I'd imagine.
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7;s a default location that gfortran does look in, please file a bug
report on pkg-config asking that to be stripped by default as well.
The reason for stripping -I is so you can
have in-tree include files that get included correctly even if their
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| Am Donnerstag 29 Juli 2010, 19:23:40 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
| > The reason for stripping -I is so you can
| > have in-tree include files that get included correctly even if their
| > nam
d the point of doc-base, except that it breaks
tab-completion for /usr/share/do, so I'd rather get rid of doc-base
than have more packages use it. ;-)
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whose preferred form
we're talking about, if it's upstream's, Debian's, popular opinions, the
strictest of those, the least strict or something else entirely?
I don't really have a good solution here, so if somebody has a way to
make both camps happy, that'd be
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| What about using /srv/ for such stuff? Wouldn't that fit better?
The structure of /srv is explicitly undefined and left up to the local
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d mail to prove this.
This sounds like a normal adoption, not a hijack, and there's no need
for a signed mail to do the handover. (I've given away and taken over
packages through IRC conversations, for instance.)
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I've fixed it now, sorry for the long delay.
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Sure, but so is making a distro, and having unified policies is a fairly
big part of making a distro. :-)
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| On su, 2010-08-15 at 14:19 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > I would guess they still fill up the .xsession-errors file, though? At
| > least for me, that file is mostly useless due to:
| >
| > « ...Too much output, ignoring rest... »
| >
| > as the la
a symlink to /
becoming a supported configuration. I keep meaning to set up a system
like that and see what breaks, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
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ably priced. AFAIK, the onboard
software isn't free, though.
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problematic. It is problematic both from a legal point of view as well
as from a practical/security point of view, since being able to build
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then have huge-dataset set up the data set and patch it as new
versions are installed?
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|norwegian
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I don't believe translating Norwegian into Klingon is a good idea.
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Indeed, it seems quite appropriate.
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| > It seems quite inappropriate to limit this information to just a
| > single init system when we have more than one in Debian. We should
| > strive to move that information into a init-agnostic place, and I
| > don't see why it
bump, one should not, or at least so I think.
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| On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 at 21:58:56 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > | Upstreams are only meant to change the .pc filename when they make an
| > | incompatible change to the API
| >
| > This seems to be the trend, but there's nothing in pkg-config'
can, if
there's a rougue application it can send you loads of data, it can force
titlebar changes all the time, etc.
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nowadays few (if any) compelling reasons for having a
| separate /usr, and hence for having /usr at all other than as a
| compatibility symlink to /. Have we actually got any reasons for
| keeping it?
I'd love to see this happening and would like the ability to have /usr
as a symlink to / as a rel
]] Olaf van der Spek
| On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > ]] Roger Leigh
| >
| > | On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 10:33:21PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
| >
| > | > I've never used pkgconfig. But if it doesn't support it, it too should
be fi
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| On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > | Eh, wouldn't this case be a valid use case?
| >
| > No, there's no reason for the .so to live in /lib rather than /usr/lib.
|
| What about .so files needed before /usr is mounted?
Do you h
w to do
| > that in the release notes.
This would also purge the configuration of packages where I have no wish
to do so. I sometimes uninstall packages without purging them, just
because I want to keep the configuration around.
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| space.
This has been fixed now, thanks for the heads-up. In the future, it's
better to mail ad...@alioth.debian.org rather than debian-devel so you
both get the message to the right people and don't disturb all the
subscribers of -devel.
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| On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:33:44 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen
| wrote:
| >]] Grégoire Scano
| >| Haven't seen a report yet, I was there
| >| http://www.debian.org/intro/help clicking on Alioth
| >| http://alioth.debian.org/ and got :
| >| An error occured in the logg
go is much less productive than just living with
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there and be confused if it doesn't exist. I think we should drop it.
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endencies as well as packages
changing contents significantly. (Defining significantly is of course
part of the challenge.)
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king lib64 obsolete ;)
Yay! :-)
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build failures (at least in PPAs), and I've
found that to work well.
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easy enough to
turn off if you don't want it there. (I'd love it if there was a way
for admins to have a local per-pam-module override file of the bits in
/usr/share/pam-configs, say you had /etc/pam-auth/override/libpam-mount
it would override /usr/share/pam-configs/libpam-mount.)
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]] Felipe Sateler
| On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:40:25 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
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| > FWIW, Ubuntu mails maintainers on build failures (at least in PPAs),
| > and I've found that to work well.
|
| AFAIK, that service also mails when the build was successful, leading
| to a lot o
ard if not impossible
job.
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]] Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
| On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > That would mean limiting each init system to the limitations of the most
| > limited init system, which would be a sad state of affairs. Also, I
|
| Yes. So, we also have to set where we want the low bar
. Please grab me on IRC or off-list and
we'll work something out.
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e more than the git repo ? If not, why don't you use the
| collab-maint projet on alioth ?
The request said they'll use at least a mailing list, else I wouldn't
have approved it.
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| service (8) does that already.
The right way to do this is, IMNSHO, what systemd does and just have
init handle starting and stopping the job. That ensures there's no
inconsistency between boot-time starting and starting later by hand.
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s and if that interface is too hard for
people we should fix that rather than invent multiple ways of disabling
daemons, but the current mess is, well, a mess.
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not accepted
as a release goal for wheezy.
Regards,
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ort for it into
| packages.
Just for the record: I'm in no way against adding the support, I just
think it's premature to NMU.
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