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Thats what they are planning.
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se schedule slip again. I
am hoping that once Sarge releases, we can continue to have weekly
reports on RC bugs, continue bug-squashing parties, and in general do
the most we can to keep the distribution on a ready-to-release footing
on a continual basis.
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t, which I don't feel it is while the blobs
live in drivers.
An alternative is to make blobs their own loadable modules, but then we
are treating them as code rather than as just a file that the kernel
sends to some device, and we get GPL issues.
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t see that you have to do
everything modulo 18 months.
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concern to FSF, but RMS is pretty clear that it's never ethical to
distribute them.
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it really belongs in FLASH on your device, don't
expect us to distribute it for you. Once it's in the device, it's below
the demarcation of the bus programming interface, and thus outside of
our domain.
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e design, BLOBs belong in files, not the
driver. The 2.6 kernel boots up with at
least initramfs accessable to it, and later initrd, if it needs a BLOB
it should load it
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BLOBs.
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Glenn,
If you don't have a physical copy of the device, the driver doesn't
work either. Very similarly to the way it would act if you don't have
the firmware. The problem is that we have to distribute the
firmware when it's a BLOB.
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Glenn Maynard wro
ut in that case the byte stream was the "preferred form
of the work for making modifications to it" per the GPL. In the case of
a BLOB, that's not the case.
The BLOB code was compiled and assembled at some time, from a source
file you don't have.
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iving manufacturers thusly, for reasons
I enumerated in my post "On the freeness of BLOB-containing drivers".
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will eventually wear
it out and make
the device non-functional.
Modern devices are specified for at least 10,000 writes, often hundreds
of thousands, and unlimited reads. You don't have to worry about this.
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would. Contrib is there to tell you that
something is DFSG-free but is not functional without a non-DFSG-free
component. Contrib provides a a message to the user and a convenience
for the Debian developers, it is not a purgatory for almost-free software.
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ndencies on non-free software. Indeed, it does not require that the
program be functional. So, we are talking about a lesser distinction
than Free vs. Non-Free.
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t be in non-free due to license violation.
That's why I say the BLOB should be in a file rather than the driver.
Have the driver send the file to the device. It's I/O rather than part
of the driver. Then, you can consider the license issues of the BLOB
individually from any o
on the firmware and goes to contrib? When does it depend and when suggest?
This is a policy decision outside of the DFSG and the social
contract, and we can be flexible about it.
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whole system won't work without it.
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As a matter of fact, Linux has drivers for some motherboard FLASH chips
under the MTD stuff. I don't know who uses them.
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Darren Salt wrote:
A lot of these BLOBs have been identified as ARM7 code, and generally
"thumb" (the 8-bit ARM instructions).
No. THUMB is a 16-bit instruction set.
Oops. You're right.
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rdware market that can replace the proprietary one. And I am
afraid that we insist on that and don't get it, that it will sink us.
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sublicensed code which
the vendor is not at liberty to release.'
My eCos book has not sold very well. I don't believe that we are making
big inroads into the market of embedded operating systems that are
smaller than Linux.
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Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:07:35AM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote:
It will take fund-raising to do it.
^&&##$@@. There goes that "free software is impossible" argument again.
Well, maybe I'm doing the wrong thing to feed a tr
ation using the same process.
The price list for Mosis is here.
There might be a need for more than one turn at Mosis before we get it
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ies. There
are other mechanisms, such as branding, that create perceptual rather
than legal barriers.
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Kenneth Pronovici wrote:
Aha, I see where you found this in my original note (although you didn't
quote it). In that paragraph, "thousands of dollars" was just an
example for illustration, although I chose the magnitude of the cost
from one of the links Bruce posted (I recall
re of their products.
Also, please make sure to tell the upstream maintainers that we aren't
going to use their code any longer, because we have decided that it's a
bad idea to outsource the core of our product.
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when
necessary. Security would be a good reason to do so, if LCC is being
tardy compared to Debian.
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I feel is not warranted. You
assume that the other distributions concerned with this matter will
wish to run rough-shod over Debian's policies and your own quality
process, without giving you a say. We have no reason to believe that
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Bill Allombert wrote:
But overriding them means we lose the certification ?
We can't allow it to be the case that overriding due to an existing and
unremedied security issue causes loss of certification. There's no
common sense in that.
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Bill Allombert wrote:
Then could you elaborate the scope of the certification ?
It's still a matter for negotiation. If the certification won't admit to
common-sense rules, it won't work for anyone - not just Debian.
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iness decisions boil down to"
is too vague to have meaning. What you may be groping at is that some
publicized policy can be taken as a promise. The organizations
participating in LCC have chosen to make such promises.
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GCC fiasco was due to a change in calling conventions. I said we'd
standardize that.
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more people to
appreciate Free Software if you can get it into their hands first. If
they have no choice but to stick with RH and SuSE because they can't
get their stuff supported elsewhere, they will never get our message.
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don't see any language in the LGPL specifying a support obligation of
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rate that its development has been going. In addition, it is not
the best possible technical solution to getting a bunch of Free
Software-based distributions to be more compatibile with each other.
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s. This is certainly a form of certification. Indeed, Debian
makes use of similar certification for its Official CD.
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these licenses is so far off that I wonder if you're just playing with
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So, I did this a few days ago, and ddcprobe was not in any Debian
package. Also, it got the mouse as /dev/input rather than
/dev/input/mouse, and the resulting X configuration didn't work. It
would be really nice if it worked.
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Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Do you want a wo
Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Is that really JPEG? Or JTAG?
That's all we need, lossy ROM image compression :-) Yes, JTAG.
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or things
like boot-floppies where a patch for one architecture, done carelessly,
might break another.
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in an un-reviewed patch, even if they do have commit privilege. Anyone
with commit privilege can review it for you and give you an OK to check
it in, but it takes two people. It tends to make us think a bit harder
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domain, and that would look up the package name and map it to the maintainer
address, and remail messages to the maintainer. This is not a terribly
complicated hack, but I got busy.
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> Just tell me what you want qmail to do for you and point me at the
> sh/whatever scripts you started working on.
I think we already have Joey (Martin Schulze) working on this today.
Please check with him.
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Aegis looks interesting. I'd like to see how it works on top of a
physically-distributed development using CVS. Do please package it
when you have time, Phil.
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his commercial version?
Someone who wanted to put the effort into supporting the drivers and could
convince Linus to go along could probably change the situation - I hope such
a person comes along.
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> However, commercial use is no problem as long as the software
> is NOT being commercially distributed.
Somewhat sloppy language.
> Is "deb" packaging a modification? (philosophical doubt)
We change pathnames and locations of files.
Br
different. GPL-ed software gives you the right to
change the source, and gives you right to link other GPL-ed software
to it on all platforms.
Debian doesn't presently have a rule against libraries that pass the
GPL infection, although we prefer to avoid them.
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> if you ask me. (did you ? :-))
Kees,
I'm Bruce Perens, project leader for Debian. I have your mail with John
Goerzen. It's clear that you don't want people to make an un-deserved
profit from your software. I've included a _draft_ copy of the Debian
"socia
fferent from the GPL's.
Among the options you are given is to put the modifications in the
public domain or assign them to the copyright holder.
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On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> We are in the process of releasing Debian 1.3 .
Tonight I made another attempt to install base + 300 packages. I've added
the list to the end of this message.
I experienced a _major_ pro
There is a GPL-ed version of "Freedom Desktop Lite" at
ftp://fsw.com/pub/fdlite/FDlite1.32.tar.gz .
Someone please volunteer to package this. They GPL-ed it
specifically at our request.
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> How can we cope with the fact that Slackware support of the Bo
> release of "alien" is broken then?
It's a bug. We'll have to release a bug fix in a later release.
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> contradictory.
I'm not so sure. They'll have to spell out their position on modification
explicitly. Currently they don't state it at all.
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> to keep some medium of control over their work.
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> to keep some medium of control over their work.
Bruce Perens:
> We can't allow it because it prohibits ports, and it prohibits bug-fixes.
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>
> Fo
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> restriction actually _improves_ the overall quality of the product for
> everyone.
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Use the "debian-cd" package to make your ISO images. It wants a directory
"debian" containing a mirror of "bo", "tools", "doc", and "contrib", and
the symlink "stable -> bo". I use 4 separate mirror scripts to make this
There's a big regular expression in SmartList that tries to catch
unsubscription requests and delivery failure reports. My suspicion
is that it took the string "not found" for a delivery failure report,
but I haven't taken the trouble to figure that out.
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ppy.
You should be able to make the boot image work as a floppy before you put
it on a CD. The El Torrito bootable CD format is sensitive about the size,
you must use the same size as a floppy - 2.88MB, 1.44MB, etc.
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do with his impaired finger sensitivity. I have a circa-1986 serial DECTalk
to test speech output on.
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In general I disclose as little as possible about what a vendor is going
to do, as I'd prefer you ask them. I just spoke up about LSL because
people were concerned about how LSL perceived us.
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I think you have to tell dselect where non-free and contrib are so that it
can find their Packages files. It asks about this when you choose an access
method.
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The ISO image files for the Debian 1.3 Official 2-CD Set are now
available at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/OfficialCD . About 4 mirror
systems signed up to mirror the CDs, so it looks like we won't have a
problem distributing them.
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Chos is able to chain to a LILO boot block on a partition. It worked fine
chaining to /dev/hdd, for example. So you can boot bzImage kernels that
way until someone fixes "chos".
Nice program. I think it assumes that /boot is on the first drive,
doesn't it?
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what state S-Lang is in with this respect - that might be your first concern.
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T1, I found that transfers of one 400MB file generally abort in the middle.
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> Sourcecode is available for chos and it has been GPLed by the author after
> several people talked with him (among them me on behalf of Debian).
Hooray!
Is the GPL-ed version and its source in a Debian package yet?
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1.3 has some security problems in X. 1.3.1 will probably have a newer version
of X to fix this.
At least two manufacturers will be selling the official CD at rediculously
low prices, but they have not gone to duplication yet. Soon enough...
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I think you should build a 2.1.x boot disk using the boot-floppies scripts,
since ax.25 is so much nicer in 2.1 it makes no sense to base new work on
2.0 . When you build the kernel, you get to decide what is a module and
what is not in the configuration menu.
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Ugh. Can someone write to them?
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Mike Neuffer is on the road, driving back to Beaverton from here.
I sent mail to Simon, and one of you who has root privilege on master
might look at the situation, too.
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Rob, Steve, and Co.,
Is this when booting from the floppy only, or from hard disk too?
I suspect a software bug in SysLinux, the floppy bootstrap. Once I
get some more data from you I will take it up with H. Peter Anvin,
the SysLinux author.
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ion floppy root would be a RAM disk at this point,
and this problem would never come up. I wonder if your boot parameters
are wrong, or if it is a 68k-specific issue.
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t the root, but it should complain
before you partition a disk that the root is running on. I don't
know how many people will hit this.
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If it thinks your CD is an audio disk, it would be an error in the "xaa" file.
The very first blocks on the CD tell what kind of CD it is.
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> Tried it, and it hangs when booting bzImage from the hard drive too.
Please tell me exactly what ThinkPad model this is.
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ut this issue. Richard acknowledges
the existence of free browsers for HTML. He does, however, want you to write
your documentation in TeXinfo format, because it prints better that way, and
converts from the document source into HTML reasonably well.
I don't think we should de-support "info&qu
To make documentation for packages optional by splitting it into
separate packages would not be a good idea at this point. Please wait
for Deity to implement more fine-grained control over installation, or
let the user manually remove /usr/doc or /usr/info .
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have been added since New Years Day 1970 to keep clock time in synch
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