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failed." ; fi
Is this what I should do, or is there another solution I am overlooking; or
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"! -xtype d" in the absence of "-L" matches everything except directories
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expressions of personal taste doesn't really reflect the fact that
consistency is a quality Debian users look for in packages.
If you provide the TeX live names in the long description, people will
be able to find stuff by the usual package search functions.
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if that would help, I'd include a (n option that allows to) check via
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That'd be less intrusive than changing the behaviour of Closes:, for
better or worse.
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For added utility I might want to improve on that.
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actual debugging, both not arm-specific.
If you're deperate for people looking at build-failures, that's OK, but
only few of them seem really arm-specific.
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tion of the buildd maintainer is needed
> at this time to get something build.
The dep-wait is well inside the "some action of the buildd maintainer is
needed". The needed P-a-s entries could be handeled centrally if the
problem description is "pile of maybe-failed packages&qu
ight also work on amd64 ia64 (depends on dmidecode)
OTOH, maintainer usually seems to know what he's doing...
libpam-encfs: isn't arch-specific, see #340575. Maybe random arch
disabling should be RC...
%ogre-contrib: i386 amd64 # don't know, in contrib
ery two weeks or so. My guess was
that then if changes are submitted in bulk, declaring something seeing
no porter attention for a year is OK to list in P-a-s.
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problematic but the rest of the thread rather spells "don't bother".
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getlastmod() returns always the current time, filemtime() works as
expected. php.net says:
>Apache and PHP have been compiled with the same value for
>-DFILE_OFFSET_BITS
Perhaps this is the reason?
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cannibalize these, maybe?
Are there technical issues, too, or is it just the naming?
I'm sorry, but my vage recollection is that someone somewhere wanted to
have menu transitioned to desktop, but I don't think that this has ever
been done...
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There is a new upstream release candidate out now (1.0.11rc1) and I would
like to take the opportunity to go through the process with the new
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> alongside /lib/modules.
The problem is that some people find /lib/run uglier than /run. ;)
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> appropriate claim if Manoj had said it looked okay.
Agreed. Fortunately, I didn't claim that.
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few purposes for which /var/run cannot be used. If there are worries
about abuse then I would suggest the addition of a sentence to Policy
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ot occur until the filesystem underlying
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'run' rather than 'lib'. Hence R should
be /run.
Briefly, if R is like /var/run except that it supports programs
needed to boot the system and run commands on the root filesystem,
then it should be another "run" directory, but at the top level.
Here's another possible argument:
Putting R in /lib spoils the otherwise read-only
character of that directory.
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> ensure /var is mounted early]? Thomas?
>
> Here are the cases:
[...]
> For (d) and (e) you need special handling; using /run as a tmpfs and
> setting up /var/run -> /run symlinks on both / and /var. That's pretty
> special handling [...]
This is
Gabor Gombas wrote:
> ... I'd like to have a check for /run (or /lib/run or whatever)
> being empty at the end of the boot process
The new mountvirtfs prints such warnings for all the "virtual"
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stellar job that they need a babysitter is a bit... insulting.
This is not a fair characterization of what the introduction of
a two-maintainer rule would be doing. No one should be insulted
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That's less of a burden than that imposed by many another Debian rule.
Fortunately for your position, it probably won't take arguments to kill
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> I'd suggest that those who are promoting team maintainance are trying
> to gain power while evading responsibility.
Well, you do suggest it here. And what you suggest makes no sense, so
let's not rule out the possibility that you are
r things
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No-login mode always: rm -f /etc/nologin ; :> /etc/nologin
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It should work fine because S55bootmisc.sh runs after S45mountnfs.sh.
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OK, sysvinit 2.86.ds1-8 is now in incoming. TIA for testing it. ;)
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mprehensive listing of all the Debian _maintainers_
accompanied
with a list of packages they maintain", instead of "...developers..." (which
would
also be more accurate since non-DD maintainers are already listed). And so on.
Reword with the principle in mind that there are many contributors to Debian
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ge in #202, which was
reported by two other people. It's fixed in the package #204.
208 is current...
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I'd call it the "obscure the point game", because the pairs of statements
were meant to illustrate a difference in attitude, not a set of absolute
contradictions. But I think you know that. Because you are really playing
another game, which I'll dub &qu
leaves the question how
not to have that key compromised.
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Would it be useful if the initscript that clears /var/run also created
a directory hierarchy under /var/run?
(There are different ways of implementing thus, but we can talk about
details if this feature is deemed worthwhile.)
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d have done better with identification of DDs [1].
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ase")) {
Well, anyone using the mirror can then verify.
If you're just trying to determine whether or not Release corresponds to
Release.gpg this behaviour is much saner than assuming Release invalid,
because debmirror would attempt to fix that by regetting.
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emoval of
Maybe this should not only be limited to packages with RC bugs... For a
lot of packages with inactive maintainers, it might be best to not
release them in etch.
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:)
As pointed out by Peter Samuelson, this dir should be removed by the postrm on
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unsupported packages no developer cares about is a bad idea.
Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages
without maintained rdepends from testing?
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[1] And yes, I'd maintain a list if it's considered a good idea.
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There's 169 orphaned packages today, why not do something about them?
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be suitable
for Debian.
I agree that it would be nice if Ubuntu developers tried to get their
changes into sid. It is certainly not their responsibility to do so,
but in my experience Ubuntu developers have been very cooperative when
they have been approached. So I don't see a big problem.
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[0] Here: http://ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship?highlight=%28debian%29
there's a claim that "they send their bugfixes to the Debian developers
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Russ Allbery wrote:
> Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>>Can you elaborate on this? I'm not sure how the existence of more
>>packages that should be orphaned invalidates dealing with those that
>>presently are.
>
>
>>There
ki.debian.org/CollaborativeMaintenance
> Of course, it's easier to say than to do and I have only 24 hours per day.
Sorry, Raphael, I appreciate you're effort to promote and enable
collaborative maintenance very much, but it's not the holy grail solving
all maintenance problems. P
your package. I have seen changes in some packages
that looked gratuitious, but then I have been comforted by the thought
that the perpetrators of gratuitous changes are the ones who have to pay
the price for it, because they have to carry such changes forward.
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> Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>Russ Allbery wrote:
>>>The thing is... most of the orphaned packages are in fairly good shape.
>>How do you know?
> Well, because at one point I went through the PTS for each one of them,
> che
income):
Is this before of after taxes? If you are free to choose, I suggest
after taxes -- gross salaries are very difficult to compare.
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> * License : MIT
> Description : Notepad clone based on GTK+
>
> GTKEdit is a lightweight Notepad clone designed for low performance
> systems
Do you really want to introduce a GTK 1.2 application into unstable at
this point of time?
R
re that python-minimal be
Essential: yes in Debian.
In any case I am hoping to see python-minimal included in Debian.
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* Kernel creates eth1
* ...tries to rename it to 'eth1', but that name is taken
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> In any case I am hoping to see python-minimal included in Debian.
I now see that it is already in sid. :)
$ apt-cache madison python-minimal
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# Rename it to the temporary name.
# Then try several times to rename it to new name
Now "trying several times", etc., may work, but it's a kludge. There are
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The stripped down python interpreter would be "hidden" from command-line
users but would still be available for use by packaged programs.
Thomas Bushnell wrote:
> Ok, but now I'm confused: why is python-minimal needed in Essential?
> Why not simply depend on it straightforwardly?
icated back directly to the Debian
> developers responsible for that package in Debian and record the patch
> URL in the debian bug system.
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Thus if upstream's concern is that users not have a stripped down python,
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Hi Lionel,
Am Sonntag, den 29.01.2006, 22:11 +0100 schrieb Lionel Elie Mamane:
> What does that mean and how do I get out of this dead-end? Thanks in
> advance.
Does this one help?
http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2003-07/0133.shtml
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d is build-depending on fakeroot and calling
fakeroot xvfb-run.
Any better ideas?
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o to interactive PDFs and -- while we are
at it -- let's think about HTML files with Javascript.
What are these? Documentation, computer programs, both? If they are both
(which is probably the best description), which guidelines should be
applied?
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Hi Daniel,
thank you!
Daniel Schepler wrote:
> Have you tried just recreating base.tgz with an up-to-date pbuilder?
Ah, no. Cool. I'll have to file a wishlist item against pbuilder to
update its configuration upon update.
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think of him not using
unstable).
I like your idea of customizing pbuilder chroots with debs. I'm not fond
of recreating the base.tgz because I have some customizations
(editor...) in my chroot.
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3. http://sponsors.debian.net/viewpkg.php?id=218
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ight with BUILDUSER{ID,NAME}.
Well, some people think that writing outside the build-dir is a FTBFS
bug as well[1].
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in questionable
overrides. Lintian is a useful tool, but it's results need to be subject
to review before filing bugs or doing rejects.
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rver?
I guess the original "only runs this service" should be parsed as
"there's no additionally ftp server, archive or whatever" on this
machine.
Reading the whole message on debian-devel-announce seems to suggest this
interpretation.
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>
> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-software-20021231
> Description : check the validity of links in an HTML or XHTML document
Eh, is this the same program that comes as "checklink" with the
w3c-markup-validator?
Regards
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(No need to CC me, I'm subscribed).
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l have to manually remove conffiles in their maintainer scripts
> until at least etch+1 by my reckoning. Is this correct?
Again, postrms should not remove files that are currently conffiles.
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at the same time but the latter would involve so-version changes.
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source package" because last I heard (some 360 days ago), you
didn't need convincing. Assuming that those 40-some packages affected
are easier to process, it'd still be nice, though.
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hamm. The fact that they are nowhere to be found is no excuse, I agree.
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>Bo is currently a "release candidate". It will become an official release
>as soon as the testing group okays it.
What about Bug #10165? Is not being able to boot after an upgrade
critical?
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One possible solution would be to give each user a personal
/var/tmp/, mode 700, and have as many functions (mktemp, ...)
return a string to there.
Loss: a few inodes.
Gain: fewer security holes.
Comments?
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Guy Maor wrote:
[gcc 2.7.2]
>I don't think it does any optimization at all for pentium.
Correct. Of course, there's the experimental pgcc (http://www.goof.com/,
if anybody wants to look).
I'd like to pack this up and stuff it into experimental, if I had a
little more time
opment at the moment (large patch
files, lots of code reorganization) seems to indicate so.
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ith a non-GPL license (pretty much BSD-like).
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Guy Maor wrote:
>> Must all new programs goint into unstable be linked with libc6?
>
>Since Debian 2.0 is meant to be a libc6 system, the answer is yes.
If this is indeed a requirement, at is now orphaned.
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>I didn't meant to imply that libc5 packages will be
>rejected.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up :-)
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What can be done? I'd suggest putting the support addresses
(mailing list, web pages) prominently into the installation routines,
and possibly even into the MOTD.
What else?
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Tim Cutts wrote:
>Well, for one thing exim (and smail) are a hell of a lot easier to
>configure than sendmail.
I've found that the m4 configuration of sendmail is fairly easy for
an Internet-only machine (I don't run UUCP), but YMMV, of course.
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hem. And the changed required would not be
>#ifdef debian, but #ifdef SYSV. Much better IMO.
The preferred method should be #ifdef HAVE_FUNCTIONNAME (via
autoconf). #ifdef sysname is evil.
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