I have always liked Demons (UK ISP) status which is linked to the motd
on their gateway. If you type "finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]" you
get the current status of their systems. Simple perl cgi which also
does a web page. If there is interest (and nothing already exists) I
will code something along
ng programs to go away is simplistic and unrealistic.
Sure in some languages like Java there aren't going to be pointer
problems, but other avenues of attack are just as likely; insecure use
of temporary files, symlink attacks, signal attacks and etc.
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 12:18:56PM +0200, somebody *claiming* to be Luna
Jernberg wrote:
Just to be 100% clear, that mail didn't come from Luna's normal gmail
account but was instead spoofed and sent via emkei.cz, a "free online
fake mailer". It's now blocked from
oo many to be
>bothered to check between 10 and 999 commits.
I understand what you're trying to say, but that's a disingenuous
comparison. systemd is a massive (some would say *too* massive)
project with fingers in many pies. How many of those people have
touched *networking* bits?
-
n both Debian and Ubuntu - to my consternation as a member of
the Ubuntu Release Team, since that increases the number of flavor images
we have to manage releases of ;)
- Canonical has not discontinued its development of lxd. I think the larger
Free Software community pol
ult.
It hasn't been AFAIK, no. d-i always asks, with the default being "no".
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things significantly slower.
By saying that it makes a negligible difference, he *did* deny that it makes
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On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 12:35:11PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> Nonetheless, you won't deny it makes things significantly slower.
>> By saying that it makes a negligible difference, he *did* deny that it makes
>>
rting the bug, because she was trying to ensure
the bug report would be useful/was hoping the bug was fixed without any need
to file a bug report.
Yes, filing bug reports on testing is not often useful (except during a
freeze), but that's not the same as it not being useful to have users
running testing.
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set up for it, the practical, visible impact *today* on testing is the same;
it just means that the "tomorrow" when we can use t-p-u for its intended
purpose is likely a little closer.
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delaying
> sarge. Do tell me if I'm mistaken about that, but please don't flame
> too hard; I'm not casting aspersions on KDE or g++/libstdc++, just
> recording an impression.)
While getting KDE updates into testing has been a significant task in the
past, I'm
without the impetus of the freeze, we would be even farther from release
than we are today. So where in the above three-stage freeze process would
you put this sequence of discouragingly-hard-to-fix sequence of RC bugs, and
what would their impact be on the actual freeze timeline (both its starting
point and its duration)?
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t; > Lastly, the policy promises that /usr can be read-only and
> > guarantees software to be fully functional.
> Now, where is the possible policy bug?
It isn't a policy bug at all; it's a case of a package that's violating
policy. (apt-spy, if the thread parent is no longer apparent.)
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p://buildd.debian.org/build.php?&pkg=mozilla-firefox&ver=0.99%2B1.0RC1-2&arch=alpha&file=log
> > http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?&pkg=cxref&ver=1.6-3&arch=alpha
> > http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?&pkg=fribidi&ver=0.10.4-6&arch=alpha&file=log
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ave
a vote and agree to leave such documentation issues until after
Sarge's release?
Here's the result I'm thinking of:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_004
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edit for the anti-slavery movement,
you have to blame it for the slavers as well. Which just shows what
others in this thread have said: religion is often used to justify
whatever behaviour/belief the individual wants to justify.
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butchery?
>
> You could. However there is no sign of a repeat of that now so it's less of
> an issue.
Are you claiming that there are NOT, at this time, plenty of people
killing random innocents, and waving the Islamic Crescent to justify it?
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ce and
rational thought, is much more offensive and harmful to society that
than a cartoon nipple. I've not previously objected to the inclusion
of the Bible because I think that censorship is even worse. But if we,
Debian, are going to go down that path, then that would be the first
thing on my list.
ild
how to be safe and sane in his sex life? Fantastic.
(Not that I think hot-babe is particularly educational. I'm just sad
that so many American adults are so scared of the human body that they
find a silly cartoon threatening.)
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world. -- seen on the net
On 02-Dec-04, 02:35 (CST), Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Note the "lewd exhibition of the genitals".
Note the word "genitals". Now look again at the cartoon in hot-babe.
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as "it ate my file when I entered the ':wq'
command", which would be offensive, I agree.
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n CD of all things) and install it
without your permission."
Okay, I give up: which argument are promoting?
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or "silly, possibly amusing for a short while", the other "kind
of stupid".)
Amazingly, not all women believe that any depiction of the naked human
body is automatically pornography and offensive.
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The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making
and the Vishnu texts (name
> > escapes me at the moment) should all be in there too.
> > They're all equally true or equally false.
> Why? Why should one not be true and the others false? Why
> can't there really be one true religion?
Because he's an idiot. Can
erotic", not
"pornography".
"Nitpickers R Us",
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ndows XP", so clearly *some* users are impressed;
and considering even the most fervent Debian advocates have always regarded
the installer as a weakness, I think that's saying something...
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or distribute the package, just that we don't care to
make it available as an official Debian package from our servers. This
is not a subtle difference.
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On 05-Dec-04, 09:07 (CST), Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 08:45:56AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
> > On 05-Dec-04, 04:55 (CST), James Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > There's no excuse for cens
ase don't tell me that just providing
> them is not the same as using them: they are only provided to be used
> this way!
Reality check: *there are no photographs of women in this thread*.
ObRC: 282347
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e packages attempting to fill this
niche, *then* it makes sense to start talking about other options (filing
bug reports, submitting patches, or writing/ITPing a replacement). And
sure, language choice can make a difference in the install size in embedded
systems and thus count as a "deficiency
oon drawings of naked breasts are illegal in
any jurisdiction where Debian wouldn't already have serious problems. What
it *should* be about is moving towards a consensus, *together with the
maintainer*[1], about what we want Debian to be. And contrary to much of
the rhetoric in this thread, i
ld not
> say the same with respect to the "squat reversed esh".
> However, this is just my view.
Mmm-hmm.
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit
Your opinion about which charset to use for Debian files would carry more
weight with me if you had enough experience with
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 12:04:56PM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 06:53:42PM -0800, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > But yes, non-ASCII Latin-1 chars should not be given special status over
> > the national chars found in other lan
t distribute a
package in main as part of our CD images, we shouldn't be distributing it
from the mirrors either.
ObRC: #245810
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> > Latin-1 makes no sense in a global project.
> True. Look, Steve: mild abuse aside, I agree with you
> in every particular. Nevertheless, I would respectfully
> suggest that your criticism underscores my point, which
> regards the monstrous increase in co
ktop.org package by now in
> debian.
If you're going to CC debian-devel, at least have the courtesy to
mention what the hell you're babbling about, instead of forcing us to go
look up the bug number.
> Get off your ass.
Ah. I see. Courtesy is not your strong point.
Steve
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the names of core system libraries serve the
technical goal of providing better *compatibility* between distros? Indeed,
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with the technical specifics of
what's really at issue here?
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> >
> >
> >>How in the world does changing the names of core system libraries serve
> >>the
>
rhaps you meant to post it to one of the many easy-to-find DFSG
flamewars in Debian's recent history, instead of to a thread discussing
LCC's significance to Debian.
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diffs from NMUs be posted to the BTS has been explicit for a very long
time. It is the responsibility of the NMUer to ensure that the diffs are
delivered to the maintainer for inspection via the BTS.
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Um, what's the concrete use case for a cross-distro standard network
configuration interface? These are starting to sound like ISVs I don't
*want* touching my Debian systems...
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elds in reportbug's
> ITP template? Is there some way to make it more clear, or are people
> just lazy?
Maybe patching reportbug to complain if an ITP doesn't have
some of its fields changed from the defaults would be a good
idea?
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>accessable to it, and later initrd, if it needs a BLOB it should load
>it from there.
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to say it wasn't learnable, and I used it from initial
release: It was way better than having to download stuff by hand. But I
sure wouldn't recommend it to a new user.
Which, of course, isn't to say that it should be removed. I was
surprised by how many people still use it; I hop
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 05:07:12PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 03:49 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 03:39:55PM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote:
> > > You've just described the way the LSB has done it for years, which thus
> >
ages]
http://cxhome.ath.cx/debian/skippy/
It works nicely with my IceWM environment, and I'd love to see it
uploaded...
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[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/12/msg00135.html
n't* we provide the LCC binaries in the same fashion as the
current lsb package -- as a compatibility layer on top of the existing
Debian system? This sidesteps the problem of losing certification over
small divergences that significantly impact our other ports and is a much
more tractable goal, while still giving us a target to aim for with our base
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the name of the software you're trying to build?
> I'm creating/documenting a quick Debian_Hints file at:
> http://insecurity.org/ll3i11_j0n35/Debian_Hints
Have you read many of the fine Debian manuals? There's a lot of
good stuff linked to from:
http://www.debian.org/doc/
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>pounding on other people's credibility, especially since you don't ever
>seem to accept anyone else's criticism of your credibility.
That's just Suffield being an annoying prick, as usual. Common
consenus is that he's generall
Not standardizing the toolchain used to build a set of standardized binaries
would seem to leave the LCC open to a repeat of the gcc-2.96 fiasco,
however...
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a specific user for that forum
application, with the minimum of rights needed for that application
(e.g. SELECT and UPDATE) in a single specific database. You're talking
about a DB *admin* password.
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plib.py", line 214, in getresp
> raise error_perm, resp
> ftplib.error_perm: 553 Could not create file.
> When trying manual ftp I found out that dosbox_0.63-2.dsc was put to master
> but with zero bytes and I'm not allowed to remove this file.
See the dcut command (or the README file in UploadQueue) for information
on how to remove broken files from the ftp server.
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time in all kinds of situations (think Red Hat
RHEL support vs. Fedora, or even users reporting bugs to the Debian BTS
about backported packages), and is perfectly valid under the DFSG --
even if we don't want to be put in this situation by ISVs.
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Vs' argument against having to test their
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fact that they're obsoleted via a debconf note (of appropriate
> priority), and in the README or Changelog.Debian.
Where the "appropriate priority" is "none". Putting it in the Debian
NEWS files is sufficient.
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cy; aptitude, for example. This
can be disconcerting.
It means you need to go in and (re-)select all the smaller
meta-packages, etc. that you actually want to keep.
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ill achieve your
> > goals.
> There is no comparison between killing people and bouncing email. Whatever
> point you were trying to make is lost. The thread is over.
Maybe the real point here is that no one has come up with a spam control
solution yet that involves killing sp
basic 2.6 upgrade (mostly getting my head around it, and
converting from usbmgr).
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t (out of curiosity).
http://buildd.debian.org/stats/?arch=ia64&state=Needs-Build
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ould change) we will get slower and slower
as we get bigger and bigger.
Steve
[1] Okay, just in case you don't: http://www.ubuntu.com/,
http://www.progeny.com
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s over the years to keeping
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otherwise push
bits of testing improvements back by 24 hours at a time. This has already
directly contributed to getting KDE 3.3 into testing as soon as we did -- if
the dip in the sarge RC bug count is any indication, this looks like a step
in the right direction.
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On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:30:32AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:59:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and
> > > the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address!
> > Does the new a
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 11:16:44PM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:04:37 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Twice daily seems more reasonable to me than hourly;
> Why? If you run it only twice daily, then the developers who are awake at
> one run will probably b
mips* do not use fakeroot as the root command when building, because
fakeroot does not work on these architectures. Instead they must use sudo,
which means that directories or files created in the clean target will not
be writable by the build target.
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for all to see.
Hmm, I would've thought that after 5 months of the Same Old Story, anyone
reading d-d-a would know what the preconditions are for freezing sarge.
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questionable whether any amount of strategizing will put is in a position to
do time-based releases.
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cters or
> non-latin scripts properly, cedilla was written with this requirement
> in mind from the start.
I think you want to say "plaintext to postscript renderer" here, since
clearly text that contains non-ascii characters is not ascii. ;)
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archive; but if this had
not been the case, you might have found yourself blamed for whatever bugs
this build introduced.
In any case, perhaps this particular build should have been a binary-only
upload to experimental, to join the i386 build already there?
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On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:47:57PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > * Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-05 15:12]:
> >> Be careful: in general, you should *not* sign changes files for
> >> packages
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:55:14PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:47:57PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> >> Does it also apply to signing .dsc's?
> > The archive scripts won&#
release of sarge, that'd be fine; but
I think most people would like to see etch be an improvement over sarge in
more respects than just hardware driver count, and we have to be realistic
that this means a period of heavy changes followed by a period to stabilize
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ems.
These would be the same students who didn't even have the minimum
decency to attempt to notify the upstream authors before publishing
the bugs? I think taking a dig at them in the changelog is the *least*
anyone should do.
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On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 06:44:24PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
> > Imagining myself as a student in this class: I complete the requested
> > assignment, with luck make an A, only to have the prof post it to the
> > internet and then be insulted by perfect strangers as they use
ary storage software for a living!), so I'll
get back to you tomorrow.
I've already written several patches for mkisofs and cdrecord over the
years I've been using them, so I'm quite experienced with the code.
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firmware for use with the device, or we don't. If we don't, then the driver
won't work for our users without additional effort, and we should be honest
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many
closed code assumes only x86. Using Debian in that context is
an interesting way of making the point that there are more chips
in the world than x86 and ppc.)
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> Beyond that I think the other poster was right, really there
> should be more focus on linking statically, packing in an open
> format such as .tar.gz not .rpm and miminal links to the kernel
> or OS.
With the proviso
al scripts checked and fixed, etc. etc. etc. Best
Practical makes new bugfix releases to older versions, so they obviously
don't expect everybody to upgrade all at once.
RT is not an application. RT is a framework. It's quite reasonable to
have multiple versions of that framework availabl
Hi Goto,
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 01:54:54PM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote:
> At Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:30:57 -0800,
> Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 01:19:36PM +0100, Christoph Berg wrote:
> > > I upgraded a Woody box last week to Sarge's glibc/apt/dpkg/
're trying to get the RC bug
count down in preparation of a release. Show me that there are enough
people working on release-critical issues for sarge, which requires no
imprimatur from the DPL, before you start throwing packages that have never
even been tested by their maintainer at us faster than we already get them.
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For some reason this ITP didn't get cc'd to debian devel, so here it is:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293346
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at reducing this problem are to disallow all binary uploads
from maintainers, to get FTBFS errors detected and filed sooner after
packages are uploaded, or to cut down on the number of utterly broken
packages that are getting uploaded in the first place. I'm not suggesting
that ftpmasters are deli
c build failures; I think expecting maintainers to tag packages
as being testing-worthy would just make it harder to get needed package
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presume that we wouldn't have told people about it via
debian-devel-announce, y'know?
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orking with music database.
>
>(expect packages soon on http://mentors.debian.net/, we still need
>libvisual to be packaged and uploaded.)
Please use a less generic name. "player" alone means very little and
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acceptable. I think it might be reasonable to accept leading digits when
there is at least one non-digit in the name.
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no released files, no nothing. The CVS tree hasn't been modified
in months. Is this really something that can be usefully packaged?
Steve
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The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating
system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take o
.
If you intend to package it eventually, then there's no need to do
anything except perhaps add a note about the current state of "not quite
ready for packaging, working on it".
The "rollback" mechanism is to simply close the report.
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The irony is
ve a fs mounted, df won't show it either. Is it lying
then, too?
Df et. al. show all the mounted filesystems. If the same filesystem is
mounted twice, then it shows it twice.
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drive one. I looked under the
hood, and there were all these messy wires every where. I didn't like
the way it looked, so I cut them all out. Now my car won't start."
It's the *same* *thing*.
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 06:36:04PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
> And a question: where do we collect this kind of tips?
wiki.debian.net
debian-administration.org
debianplanet.org
debianhelp.org
And any page that's accessible to google!
Steve
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