Re: Switching /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts and removing /lib/init/rw

2012-01-18 Thread Roger Leigh
bc, busybox or initramfs-tools as appropriate. Thanks, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG

Re: cross-build-essential

2012-01-19 Thread Roger Leigh
es much more robust. Not having to hard code per-arch package lists and being able to handle it just like we currently handle build-essential would, IMO, be a Good Thing. If it were to use the same file format that build-essential uses, we would be able to reuse that. Regards, Roger -- .&#x

Re: Switching /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts and removing /lib/init/rw

2012-01-20 Thread Roger Leigh
one can work out which logical volume each represent by looking at the symlinks. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GP

Re: mass bug filing of 'ucf: command not found' errors detected by piuparts

2012-01-31 Thread Roger Leigh
/rcS is intentionally only installed once during a fresh install, and never updated afterward. However, this precludes ever updating it. Ideally we could make it a conffile and handle it entirely with dpkg; this would probably require splitting out the variables which should never be touched i

Re: Doesn't contain source for waf binary code

2012-02-07 Thread Roger Leigh
expansion of macros in the autotools packages; it too bears little relation to the original macros. (This one of the reasons I hope autoconf will use shell functions in the future.) Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-08 Thread Roger Leigh
hanges-option to override the distribution during building. If it is also possible to override the version of the generated .debs, this would make it possible to rebuild (NMU) without messing around editing the changelog. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Lin

Comments on introducing a new Essential package: base-init?

2012-02-08 Thread Roger Leigh
ndesirable? (I note that it currently has no depends other than a pre-depends on awk.) Any comments? Thanks, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforg

Re: Comments on introducing a new Essential package: base-init?

2012-02-08 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 09:49:26PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2012-02-08 21:03 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > This is regarding Bug #645540 ("Essential" package conflict between > > sysvinit and systemd-sysv). > > > > sysvinit is currently Essent

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Roger Leigh
IMO, the use of first-person personal pronouns such as "I" grate badly in the context of being used by the computer. By all means refer to the user this way (e.g. "you"), but I don't think Ian's opinion on the use of "I" is by any means universal. It's

Re: mass bug filing of 'ucf: command not found' errors detected by piuparts

2012-02-10 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 11:18:08PM +0100, Andreas Beckmann wrote: > Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:52:42AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 08:10:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > > > > > Interesting timing. initscript

Re: mass bug filing of 'ucf: command not found' errors detected by piuparts

2012-02-13 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:07:22PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:52:42AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 08:10:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > > > > Interesting timing. initscripts started depending on ucf just a few > >

Improving hwclock support in Debian (testing wanted)

2012-02-18 Thread Roger Leigh
installs as well (#660093). I'll file a bug with this patch against util-linux once this is properly tested. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/proje

Re: Improving hwclock support in Debian (testing wanted)

2012-02-18 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 03:59:23PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > Hi, > > The attached patch against current util-linux cleans up hwclock > handling with the following changes: • Also adds /etc/default/hwclock and hwclock(5) which permit configuration without editing the initscri

Re: leaks in our only-signed-software fortress

2012-02-18 Thread Roger Leigh
lems enabling it in sbuild (in 2005) when tools first started supporting it for backward- compatibility reasons, but it's been the default for some time now (since July 2008) since everything we would want to build on supports it. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' :

Re: Improving hwclock support in Debian (testing wanted)

2012-02-18 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 08:00:28PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 18, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > • There are currently two init scripts, hwclockfirst.sh and > > hwclock.sh. The reasons for these two originally existing > Why do you still bother with in

Re: mass bug filing of 'ucf: command not found' errors detected by piuparts

2012-02-22 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:14:49AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Roger Leigh > > > Just FYI, please see #659451. I've split the UTC variable into > > /etc/default/hwclock, which means /etc/default/rcS can become a > > regular dpkg conffile (in current g

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-22 Thread Roger Leigh
nd/or upstart to kFreeBSD/Hurd to make it possible to use the modern systems on all arches. The attitude of the systemd upstream is not encouraging here, however. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' sc

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-24 Thread Roger Leigh
or upstart jobs. Given their declarative syntax, would it be possible for these to be translated into init script form so that they can be run by init? This would provide a migration path and permit packages to migrate away from providing init scripts in favour of systemd units (or upstart jobs

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-24 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 04:20:47PM +0200, Uoti Urpala wrote: > Roger Leigh wrote: > > I certainly don't think it's fair for fairly niche platforms to hold > > back Linux indefinitely. There is a high cost on maintainers to > > support these platforms, and it

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-28 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:17:43AM +0200, Uoti Urpala wrote: > Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 04:20:47PM +0200, Uoti Urpala wrote: > > > > [note: it's somewhat desirable for them to be optional on Linux > > > > too, to prevent feature loc

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-23 Thread Roger Leigh
g it might be difficult, this is mainly due to our (collective) lack of experience with it rather than there being anything intrinsically more difficult about it. If anything, it promises to be vastly simpler and more robust than the spaghetti mess of shell we currently have to deal with. If the

Re: dpkg-buildpackage now sets DEB_BUILD_HOST etc for you?

2012-03-30 Thread Roger Leigh
t packages don't test direct usage of debian/rules, and manual setting of the various arch- and build-related variables is inconsistent? Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild ht

Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-10-07 Thread Roger Leigh
ersonal answers to these questions are: no and no.) I think that this is correct (as the default behaviour; it could be configured otherwise). Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild h

Re: Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-10-07 Thread Roger Leigh
building. sbuild now also has initial support or multiarch cross building. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public

Re: Bug#692264: ITP: double-conversion -- routines to convert IEEE doubles to and from strings

2012-11-04 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 12:55:09PM +0100, Sébastien Villemot wrote: > > * Package name: double-conversion libjs-double-conversion would be more appropriate, since this is a javascript library. double-conversion is too generic. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh :

Re: Bug#692264: ITP: double-conversion -- routines to convert IEEE doubles to and from strings

2012-11-04 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 01:08:18PM +0100, Sébastien Villemot wrote: > Roger Leigh writes: > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 12:55:09PM +0100, Sébastien Villemot wrote: > >> > >> * Package name: double-conversion > > > > libjs-double-conversion woul

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread Roger Leigh
liability as a whole... that's much harder to quantify and much less clear cut. After all, if sysvinit is working for you, and starts up all the services correctly, once the system is up, it's up. It will continue to run reliably. Regards, Roger [1] http://www.skarnet.org/software/s6/ --

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread Roger Leigh
he other two, but there are still tinier, more easily verifiable init systems out there where it's just a screenful of code, and it's provably correct. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `'

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Roger Leigh
system is critical. These are just userspace components, not kernel interfaces. Replacing them should be relatively simple. If the new udev fork works, why /wouldn't/ we want to adopt it? It would have a friendlier upstream, it would be buildable without unwanted extra stuff, and it would h

jessie: Mounting /usr in the initramfs

2012-12-27 Thread Roger Leigh
NFS/local; if anyone who cares about these cases would like to test them, that would also be appreciated. One missing bit here is not bringing up the network if the root is local and /usr is on NFS. Shouldn't be hard to add, but I lack the ability to implement and test it until after New Year.

Re: jessie: Mounting /usr in the initramfs

2012-12-28 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:51:27AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Dec 28, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > I've created a wiki page here for this proposed release goal for jessie: > > http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/MountUsrInInitramfs > Please remove the "

Re: screen says "Bad tty" if /dev/console is a symlink

2013-01-27 Thread Roger Leigh
_MAX (where the dynamic allocation is done only for Hurd, rather than across the board). This alone would remove a whole bunch of potential bugs and improve the overall code quality and robustness. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://p

Re: No native packages?

2013-01-28 Thread Roger Leigh
when Debian /is/ the upstream. So changes to the actual package content go into proper "upstream" releases, and you have the option to make as many Debian revisions as necessary. It makes things easier for derivatives and external users. I don't think there's any real differe

Re: [Debian-uk] dak-roulette activated

2013-04-01 Thread Roger Gammans
he casino game; That's a minor issue, are we sure the case when it shoots itself has been fully tested? -- Roger Gammans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: upgraded systems won't boot from UUID volumes

2013-04-07 Thread Roger Leigh
have an example system which uses UUIDs /and/ LVM root, however--this does not appear to be the default for LVM. While this is an important issue, the fact that it's not hit by default might be one reason for lowering the severity. The patches look reasonable. Though for scripts/local-top/lvm2

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-10 Thread Roger Leigh
kes sure that every bit of "extra" generated code is part of the git history. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Pub

Re: Automatically satisfying Build-Depends from local control file

2013-04-17 Thread Roger Leigh
ld chroot with sbuild-createchroot first. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key F33D 281D 470A B443 6756 14

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-04 Thread Roger Leigh
are the file paths between the source and binary packages in the first and second builds; comparing the content itself is probably not realistic. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbui

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-07 Thread Roger Leigh
rs are not ideal. Can't we make 4.8 the default across the board and add explicit build-deps to packages which break with 4.8, rather than the other way around? Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `&#

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Roger Leigh
we do this, I'd prefer to make /usr a symlink to / on new installs, while retaining full backward compatibility for existing users, and requiring zero packaging changes. But the other way would also be possible--it would just be a matter of d-i setting up the links. But none of this is th

Re: /export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Roger Leigh
s wrong with it? Is there anything concrete which we should be aware of which can be fixed or improved for jessie? Thanks, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-08 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:08:31AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Roger Leigh: > > > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 03:25:29PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > >> The decision when to make GCC 4.8 the default for other architectures > >> is left to the Debian port maintaine

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Roger Leigh
ew days. It also needs a patch to util-linux so it doesn't try to fsck a mounted /usr at boot. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-t

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Roger Leigh
I'm not sure whether I really like the idea or not, but from the point of view of having the tools to fix and mount the rootfs (and /usr) there when needed, it may well be useful, so long as we can avoid idiocy such as #701936. We still need the fsck helpers to work for the non-initramfs c

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-10 Thread Roger Leigh
essures influencing their decisions, and they are not all in our interest. How are those udev replacement projects coming along? Something else to think about for jessie. -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroo

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-11 Thread Roger Leigh
have to, I'd vote for junking it entirely. -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key F33D 281D 470A B443 6756 147C 07B3 C8BC 4083 E800

[Testing] Mounting /usr in the initramfs

2013-05-12 Thread Roger Leigh
copy the filesystem-specific fsck helper from /sbin. If additional files are needed by particular helpers, they might need special-casing. Any comments would be gratefully received. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.or

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Roger Leigh
her upstart or systemd. > I would rather not be the one who will choose which one of them, so > I hope that we will get to a consensus about this. Neither choice is acceptable, as you are undoubtedly aware. There is no need for udev to be dependent upon a specific init system, other than

Re: Move awk implementations from /usr/bin to /bin

2014-01-02 Thread Roger Leigh
e can just be ignored if not wanted; there is no further work required from that point of view, I think. Given that they won't be used by default and are harmless, but do add interesting new capabilities, I would like to see them used though. Regards, Roger -- .''

Re: Bug#733029: dpkg-buildpackage: disable signing by default (-us -uc should be the default)

2014-01-02 Thread Roger Leigh
rom the POV of having a replacement for debsign, we can conditionally switch to using it as soon as it becomes available. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://g

Re: [RFH] !!SOS!! totally hosed init system

2014-01-03 Thread Roger Leigh
was all working for wheezy from my own testing of it in VMs, but I'm not a file-rc user, and there may be cases where the configuration isn't being migrated. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/

Re: [RFH] !!SOS!! totally hosed init system

2014-01-03 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 01:57:00PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Roger Leigh codelibre.net> writes: > > > If you're referring to the commit above, it's because we've fully > > transitioned to dependency-based boot for wheezy, so the hardcoded > > run

Re: 'tty' output on kFreeBSD, etc. within sbuild

2014-01-03 Thread Roger Leigh
ake the assumption that they are interactive and freeze the build waiting on IO that never happens and then block forever. There may well have been other considerations I don't recall offhand e.g. relating to job control. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian

Re: [RFH] !!SOS!! totally hosed init system

2014-01-04 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 08:07:08PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jan 2014, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > If file-rc and/or the maintainer scripts somehow restored the links > > incorrectly, then insserv will ignore the header and preserve your > > customisations &

Bug#735927: general: X *always* crashes when ram is full

2014-01-19 Thread Roger Leigh
some adjustments to RAMTMP/TMPSIZE if the rootfs is on an SSD and/or swap is absent. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG

Re: Bug#735927: general: X *always* crashes when ram is full

2014-01-20 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:29:28PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > previously on this list Roger Leigh contributed: > > > With an SSD, you really > > don't want /tmp or swap on it; > > Why?, due to limited write cycles? That's one reason, but the one

Re: Bug#735927: general: X *always* crashes when ram is full

2014-01-20 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:46:50AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 01/20/2014 09:56 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:30:24 + Roger Leigh wrote: > > > >> This is a system with

sbuild maintenance, bug handling and patch review needed

2014-02-12 Thread Roger Leigh
f anyone would be able to take over some of this stuff, I'd be very grateful. I'll continue to be available for answering questions and helping where I am able, but I'm afraid I won't be able to continue as one of the primary maintainers for the foreseeable future. Thanks, Roger

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-18 Thread Roger Leigh
better. I'm yet another of the herd who found that pulse was broken out of the box, and that removing it made things work immediately. In fact, it's only worked on one out of the several systems I've tried it on, and even there it was sufficiently annoying that it lasted only a f

Status of build-arch coverage

2014-02-18 Thread Roger Leigh
for measuring progress on this front. Do we have any plans for enforcing build-arch for jessie at this point? If we haven't already, stronger warnings when running dpkg-buildpackage and stronger lintian warnings (errors?) would be useful to add. Regards, Roger -- .''`.

Re: Status of build-arch coverage

2014-02-18 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:58:50PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > I hope the above is useful for measuring progress on this front. Do > we have any plans for enforcing build-arch for jessie at this point? > If we haven't already, stronger warnings when running dpkg-buildpackage

Re: Status of build-arch coverage

2014-02-19 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 01:58:48PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > Thanks for doing the rebuilds! > > * Roger Leigh , 2014-02-18, 22:58: > >┌┬┬───┐ > >│ current │ buildarch │ count │ > >├┼┼───┤ > >

Re: Status of build-arch coverage

2014-02-19 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 01:02:55PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 01:58:48PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > > Thanks for doing the rebuilds! > > > * Roger Leigh , 2014-02-18, 22:58: > > >┌┬┬───┐ > > &

Re: C++ testing library

2014-02-20 Thread Roger Leigh
++ test frameworks already in existence, and it would certainly be worthwhile evaluating the strengths and weaknesses of them before committing to adding yet another. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `'

Re: Please upgrade your build environment when you are affected by transition

2014-02-28 Thread Roger Leigh
ult for end users and buildds and enable dist-upgrade by default for one or both of these if there's consensus that this is desirable and safe to do. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-04 Thread Roger Lynn
opriate? It might also avoid some of the more controversial discussions we've seen here in recent years. Roger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/u1s31b-unl@silverstone.rilynn.me.uk

Re: Having fun with the following C code (UB)

2014-04-15 Thread Roger Lynn
happen, but to warn you when gcc's optimisations have broken any two's complement overflow behaviour that you might have expected. Thus if you have written code that assumes "normal" two's complement overflow you get a warning when it has been broken by assumptions made by the

Re: make 4.0: archive rebuild resulted in 73 packages broken (help wanted)

2014-04-30 Thread Roger Leigh
allow the transition to be done effectively, and was never planned to exist except for the short term during the transition, which is now progressed quite well. I posted some stats on it a couple of months back. This may be an opportune time to remove the nasty hack and mandate the use of the

Re: make 4.0: archive rebuild resulted in 73 packages broken (help wanted)

2014-04-30 Thread Roger Leigh
e > * dpkg-buildpackage > * affected packages > > If none of the above can be fixed then I'm all for just removing the > detection code, although that might be painful, AFAIR the numbers were > a bit scary last time Roger posted them? Back in February, it was around 14% remaining.

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-14 Thread Roger Lynn
that tab completion does not work properly. >> If I use /etc/init.d/ then tab tells me what is there and spells it right. > > You should install bash-completion Bash-completion has never worked for me from a root prompt. Roger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian

Bug#748800: ITP: elog -- Logbook system to manage notes through a Web interface

2014-05-20 Thread Roger Kalt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Roger Kalt * Package name: elog Version : 2.9.2+git20140511 Upstream Author : Stefan Ritt * URL : http://midas.psi.ch/elog/ * License : GPLv3 Programming Lang: C Description : Logbook system to manage notes

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-27 Thread Roger Leigh
binary-foo Packages in favour of binary-all Packages use by apt-get/ aptitude? I would also have a use of binary-all dist in sbuild-db (an experimental wanna-build replacement using PostgreSQL 9.0), just for the record. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/

/run support for wheezy?

2011-03-30 Thread Roger Leigh
Given that Fedora are adopting /run, and it has been something we have wanted in the past, is anyone working on implementing /run in Debian? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/146976 https://lwn.net/Articles/436012/ Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :&

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-03-30 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 05:39:13PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Julien Cristau > > | On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 16:20:10 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > | > | > Given that Fedora are adopting /run, and it has been something > | > we have wanted in the past, is anyone

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-03-30 Thread Roger Leigh
dpkg-shlibdeps, ld etc. would need checking to make sure that building on such a system still results in packages which are installable on old-style split systems, e.g. when generating shlibs files etc. I'm sure I'll have more to come! Regards, Roger -- .''`.

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-03-30 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:32:51PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Tollef Fog Heen writes: > > > ]] Julien Cristau > > > > | On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 16:20:10 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > | > > | > Given that Fedora are adopting /run, and it has b

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-03-30 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 04:39:30PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Roger Leigh] > > As a followup, I would like to get the UTF-8 codeset and collation > > hardcoded in libc6 directly and sharable by all UTF-8 locales to > > reduce startup time and needless dupli

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-03-31 Thread Roger Leigh
gt; have it). > > Has to be available before any tcp-wrapped network service is started. This won't be until after /var is mounted. Can't dynamically added entried be added to /var/lib/wrap/hosts.* (for example) and then libwrap can be patched to read both locations, allowing f

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-04-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:20:45PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:32:51PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Tollef Fog Heen writes: > > > > > ]] Julien Cristau > > > > > > | On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 16:20:10 +0100, Roger

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-04-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 02:33:44PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:20:45PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:32:51PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Tollef Fog Heen writes: > > > > > > > ]] Julien Cr

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-04-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 04:06:16PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote: > Hi there! > > On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 15:33:44 +0200, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Patches filed against base-files and initscripts in #620157 and #620191. > > Test packages here: http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/run/ >

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-04-03 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 01:10:29PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Roger Leigh writes: > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:20:45PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > 1) /etc/init.d/mountall.sh is broken for some reason. The "mount -a" > >invocation fails. Not

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-04-03 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 10:59:43PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Roger Leigh writes: > > > Both of these issues were due to /etc/mtab being inconsistent with > > reality. I've now corrected the code to make domtab() behave > > identically to domount() t

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-04 Thread Roger Leigh
rovided executable scripts)? Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 09:36:14AM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 05:59:51PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 06:04:20PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > >> > What do

Please do not use /run yet

2011-04-06 Thread Roger Leigh
ase hold fire for a few days longer until initscripts is uploaded! Thanks, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key:

Re: Please do not use /run yet

2011-04-06 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 09:54:53AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > I'm just mentioning this here because udev started to use /run before > we had completed our work, and without a versioned dependency, causing > breakage. If you are planning on using /run, please hold fire for a >

Re: System users: removing them

2011-04-09 Thread Roger Leigh
lack of detailed guidance on best practice. Would it be worth adding explicit examples of how to add system users and groups in Policy. Also, would it be worth adding support to debhelper or dpkg-maintscript-helper to do the user addition--it would unify the process so that packages won'

Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-11 Thread Roger Leigh
major services etc.) for context. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign y

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:01:42PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > With the transition to /run and /run/lock as tmpfs filesystems, it > would be desirable to provide sensible default size limits. Currently, > we default to the tmpfs default of ½ RAM. But with several tmpfs > filesystem

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:38:03PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:01:42PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > With the transition to /run and /run/lock as tmpfs filesystems, it > > would be desirable to provide sensible default size limits. Currently, > > we

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 08:12:21PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote: > Hi there! > > On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:38:03 +0200, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Josh Triplett suggested that we could use a single tmpfs on /run and > > have the rest as symlinks into /run, with potentially a separa

Re: [Pkg-samba-maint] Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 07:44:54AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:38:03PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:01:42PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > With the transition to /run and /run/lock as tmpfs filesystems, it > >

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 09:07:48PM +0200, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 07:47:35PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > With the patch as it stands at present, RAMRUN is deprecated. /run > > is always a tmpfs; RUN_SIZE will set its size, as before. > > Hmm, just

Re: [Pkg-samba-maint] Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 08:19:59PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 07:44:54AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > If the problem is that multiple tmpfs are mounted and > > each can expand to half-of-RAM, either reduce the number of tmpfses > > presented (as

Re: [Pkg-samba-maint] Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:08:30PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Roger Leigh > > | I think that if we have /run/lock, /run/shm makes sense (how different > | are locks and POSIX semaphores? They are just a different type of > | lock (broadly). And shared memory is epheme

Re: [Pkg-samba-maint] Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 08:22:00PM +, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2011-04-12, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Having multiple tmpfses with the kernel defaults means that a user or > > badly written program could intentionally or accidentally lock up the > > machine by using al

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:35:37PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote: > Hi there! > > On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:47:35 +0200, Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 08:12:21PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote: > >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:38:03 +0200, Roger Leigh wrote: > >>

Re: [Pkg-samba-maint] Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-13 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:29:16AM +0200, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > Roger Leigh writes: > > > One reason for doing this is to have a single writable mount on the > > system, which might be useful for tiny systems with minimal resources, > > where root is r/o. On su

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-13 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:38:03PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:01:42PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > With the transition to /run and /run/lock as tmpfs filesystems, it > > would be desirable to provide sensible default size limits. Currently, > > we

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