Bug#553270: ITP: Algoscore - GUI for algorithmic composition

2009-10-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Debian. Thanks! Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Bug#554177: ITP: libqt4intf -- Qt4 interface bindings

2009-11-03 Thread Matthias Klumpp
interface bindings Qt4 bindings for applications which are developed using Free Pascal or other non-C++ languages. Packaging has been submitted to Debian Mentors. Thanks! Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubs

How does lintian detect embedded-zlib?

2010-04-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
way of finding embedded ZLibs? Thanks & kind regards Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b0390b261971d57972ee12a124fc4...@mb8-2.1blu.de

Re: How does lintian detect embedded-zlib?

2010-04-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
eculiar to the Pascal implementation. I think I'll give that a try for the next Lintian release. -- Which means it will get fixed. (Yipee!) Regards Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/f15803754f6a8b8b2706f7de7f506...@mb8-2.1blu.de

Re: "Waqf" General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:12:55 +0430, Mohammad Ebrahim Mohammadi Panah wrote: > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer > wrote: >>> Oh suure. "We are all about freedom, but please no religional >>> stuff. Oh, and while we are at, get away with porn. And alcohol is bad >>> too,

Re: debian can be better

2010-10-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
, but I might be wrong - this is what makes the Ubuntu case so interesting! (And if they do wrong, they can always switch back) Regards Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.d

Re: debian can be better

2010-11-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
First of all: Sorry, I didn't want to send this mail to the public list... On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 07:46:27 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le dimanche 31 octobre 2010 à 22:41 +0100, Matthias Klumpp a écrit : >> Also, they use Banshee and Tomboy, which results in including Mono to &g

Re: debian can be better

2010-11-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:29:33 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 01 novembre 2010 à 11:46 +0100, Matthias Klumpp a écrit : >> > We do also for Tomboy, and this “space problem” is of similar scale as >> > the one we have for a pair of applications using C++ bindings

Re: Equivalent packages between Linux distributions

2011-01-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
ject, and is there a possibility to add some more, extended data, which is not directly required to fetch meta-data? (Then I could drop my own implementation of "PackageCompare") Kind regards Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e46f573fa89af609bd04e1a2abab...@mb8-2.1blu.de

Re: Results of the App Installer Meeting

2011-01-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:11:06 +0100, Michael Vogt wrote: > [...] >> AppStream focuses on translations of the name, keywords and (short) >> summary managed by upstream. We talked shortly about longer descriptions >> (possibly with markdown) but this would easily blow up the currently >> rather small

Bug#752900: ITP: appstream-glib -- Library for AppStream metadata access

2014-06-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Matthias Klumpp * Package name: appstream-glib Version : 0.1.6 Upstream Author : Richard Hughes * URL : http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appstream-glib/ * License : LGPLv2+ Programming Lang: C Description

Re: Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-01 19:38 GMT+02:00 Eric Valette : >> I think that this would be an annoying waste of time for most users, >> since only a few people care so much about not being tainted by systemd > > > I do not care being tainted by systemd when it works. Actually on two very > different machines it means

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-03 0:40 GMT+02:00 Norbert Preining : > On Wed, 02 Jul 2014, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> And should we open the archive for a series of "i hate $tool, i never >> want it" packages, where do we stop? In theory we could end up with a >> load of them. > > Joertg, please be reasonable. You know exac

Re: let missing-debian-source-format lintian tag be a warning!

2014-07-15 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-16 0:44 GMT+02:00 Mattia Rizzolo : > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote: >> This would be far better solved with a system conffile of some sort >> like /etc/dpkg/dpkg-source.cfg, which admittedly doesn't exist yet. > > in general I feel the lack of a $HOME/.dpkg.conf c

Re: I have to write a software center application

2014-07-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Only a short answer, because I am currently on the run - if you need more information on this matter, feel free to contact me off-list. First, I recommend using PackageKit[1][2], which is an easy-to-use abstraction layer for package managers, running on a wide variety of distributions. This sof

Re: systemd-sysv/shim in testing

2014-07-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-27 22:08 GMT+02:00 Sven Bartscher : > On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:21:56 +0200 > Holger Levsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Sonntag, 27. Juli 2014, Dominik George wrote: >> > >To make it short: I suggest that systemd should only migrate together >> > >with systemd-shim. >> > ACK! >> >> I think you m

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-08-13 22:05 GMT+02:00 Anthony F McInerney : >> But I'm actually back to gnome3 because with the right >> extensions it is more pleasant." > > So the question is does debian have the extensions he speaks of? > (and) Have debian tweaked those extensions by default, to his liking? > > And to quo

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-08-13 22:59 GMT+02:00 Theodore Ts'o : > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> Well, Linus' extensions won't break because GNOME updates them with >> every release and ships them with the official GNOME release. > > From the REA

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-05 15:12 GMT+02:00 Svante Signell : > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 14:20 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >> Hi, > >> Thus, unless the user explicitly tells the apt{-get,itude} subsystem not >> to switch to systemd (by whatever means, the details of which I personally >> am not at all interested in)

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-05 17:23 GMT+02:00 Svante Signell : > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 16:07 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> 2014-09-05 15:12 GMT+02:00 Svante Signell : >> > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 14:20 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > >> > How? All efforts so far and bugs r

Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-05 19:52 GMT+02:00 Zack Weinberg : > Steve Langasek wrote: > >> No, that's not the true package relationship. There's no reason that >> you should always get this added service by default when you install >> a system with non-systemd init that doesn't need logind. Making this >> a recomme

PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-10 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hello! (This is just a quick heads-up for the PackageKit-using people in Debian, so if you don't use PK, you can skip this mail.) We are currently cleaning up PackageKit[1] upstream, which means some functionality will soon no longer be available anymore. Short-term (= with one of the next uploads

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-11 16:33 GMT+02:00 Salvo Tomaselli : > In data giovedì 11 settembre 2014 15:40:31, Ansgar Burchardt ha scritto: >> Well, online updates do break software from time to time on my system. >> For system services they usually work fine as they can be restarted by >> the upgrade process, however

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-12 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-12 1:49 GMT+02:00 Cameron Norman : > El mié, 10 de sep 2014 a las 5:34 , Matthias Klumpp > escribió: >> [...] > > What are the options? > > I would like if apps could say somehow (maybe an extension to the AppStream > format?) whether they need offline update

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-12 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-12 15:35 GMT+02:00 Thorsten Glaser : > On Thu, 11 Sep 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > >> Well, online updates do break software from time to time on my system. > > I’ve had to do unattended updates of our old Kubuntu desktop at work > at shutdown time as well, due to breakage involved in up

Re: Bug#761348: ftp.debian.org: need machine-readable metadata about suites & repositories

2014-09-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-14 15:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Wise : > [Drop the bug since it seems OT there] > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > >> we have the python-distro-info package which at least holds some of that >> info. >> >> how/where would you see that in your "picture"? > > That has the sa

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-10-13 18:23 GMT+02:00 Miles Fidelman : > Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: >> >> I really don't buy the argument that "the GR proposal was too quiet to >> be noticed by 6+ people". I mean: the proposition happened to be in the >> middle of the post-TC decision wave, on the mailing lists where it >>

Re: piece of mind

2014-10-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-10-21 17:24 GMT+02:00 Robert Lemmen : > hi matthias, > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 04:35:20PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >> [...] >> first place. Having ten processes responsible for bits&pieces of what >> systemd-as-PID1 does instead of one isn't a benefit -- not if all you gain >> by that

Bug#768471: ITP: pk-update-icon -- Displays an update-notification tray icon

2014-11-07 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Matthias Klumpp * Package name: pk-update-icon Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Guido Berhoerster * URL : https://code.guido-berhoerster.org/projects/pk-update-icon/ * License : GPL-2.0+ Programming Lang: C

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-13 22:56 GMT+01:00 Patrick Ouellette : > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:39:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Patrick Ouellette writes: >> >> > We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right >> > now. We told the users they will switch init systems, and a large >> >

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-20 16:12 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : > Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) >> Hi, >> >> On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> > With systemd you can ship a default configuration in >> > /lib/systemd/system and administrators can override specific options, >> > for exa

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-26 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! AFAIK systemd supports startup notifications, even in colour - at least it did this last time I tried (a few weeks ago) Maybe your systemd version is too old? (Quoting Lennart: "We now show the progress of fsck at boot on the console, again. We also show the much loved colorful [ OK ] status me

Re: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-06-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! How odd that I didn't notice that bug... (I'm the GPK/PK maintainer) Well, I think pulling in Synaptic on KDE might be a bad idea, probably KDE desktop packages should pull in Apper instead, a KDE package manager based on PackageKit and fully integrated into the KDE desktop. It does not provide

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-09 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! systemd's upstream is not hostile at all - systemd just relies on many Linux-specific technologies, not just cgroups, and therefore it is not easily possible to port it. Upstream suggested to fork systemd and maintain patches for other OSes there, because they don't want a construct with lots o

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 03:38:25PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: >> systemd may seem better in /most/ cases because it does have some nice >> features, but I don't think it's better in *all* cases. systemd doesn't >> allow >> shutdown/reboot from within KDE4 It *does* work for me here - KDM doesn'

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-09-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Just for the record (and I might be wrong with this information, because I don't have it from a "official" Gentoo source): I heard from a Gentoo dev that they will switch from OpenRC to systemd, and find the possibility very funny that Gentoo switches to systemd from OpenRC and Debian switches

Re: CD1 without a network mirror isn't sufficient to install a full desktop environment

2012-09-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
GNOME is seeking people to develop the GNOME-Panel - if MATE developers want a classical desktop environment based on modern technologies, they should develop the GNOME-Panel instead of forking unmaintained and outdated technology like Bonobo or GConf. I don't consider MATE to be future-proof. If y

Re: CD1 without a network mirror isn't sufficient to install a full desktop environment

2012-09-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2012/9/18 Wouter Verhelst : > [...] > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 03:21:06PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> GNOME is seeking people to develop the GNOME-Panel - if MATE >> developers want a classical desktop environment based on modern >> technologies, they should

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/5/21 Michael Stapelberg : > Hi Lucas, > > Lucas Nussbaum writes: >> I think that one reason why we risk having another init systems >> discussion is that there hasn't been (TTBOMK) a good effort to summarize >> the various point raised and your answers (as systemd maintainers) to >> them

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am 22.05.2013 18:12 schrieb "Lucas Nussbaum" : > > On 22/05/13 at 14:45 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 08:16 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > > > - there are 300+ upstart job files ready to be imported from Ubuntu > > > > When you compare the time it takes to write an

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/23 Marc Haber : > On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:40:57 +0200, Matthias Klumpp > wrote: >>Please also keep in mind that many upstream projects ship systemd service >>files. Therefore, most of the systemd work is already done too. > > Are those any better than init scripts

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/24 brian m. carlson : > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:18:04PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> Le jeudi 23 mai 2013 à 22:06 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit : >> > Yes, systemd trying to replace so much of traditional UNIX tools at >> > once and so blatantly breaking the "One job one tool" principle

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/24 brian m. carlson : > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 01:45:46AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> 2013/5/24 brian m. carlson : >> > The Unix Way is to use separate processes >> > for separate tasks. >> ...and this is what systemd does! It's not like we have a

Re: default MTA

2013-05-28 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/28 Игорь Пашев : > 2013/5/28 Josselin Mouette : >> Nobody, >> I repeat, nobody, ever reads local mail on most desktop systems >[...] Would it help if we had a desktop-component, which is able to: 1) Show a notification *on the desktop* if the user received new mail 2) Offer a GUI way to re

Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/29 Javier Fernandez-Sanguino : > On 28 May 2013 19:10, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> Would it help if we had a desktop-component, which is able to: >> 1) Show a notification *on the desktop* if the user received new mail >> 2) Offer a GUI way to read system mails >>

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-30 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/30 Marco d'Itri : > On May 30, Mathieu Parent wrote: >[···] >> > There is also the "kill features Red Hat does not care about" deal, >> Do you have an example? > Persistent naming of network interfaces. ... is entirely optional, and can be disabled if someone doesn't want it - but I can't s

Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant Was: mount point gets "(deleted)" / unable to unmount

2013-06-06 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/6/6 Florian Lohoff : > On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 04:19:04PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> That said, we provide GNOME Classic in wheezy for good reasons. Some of >> Florian’s concerns are clearly among them. > > I have tried that and the annoyances with the systray, multihead and > nautilus

Re: Why not to let all DDs to execute "gb"-command

2013-06-07 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/6/7 Tollef Fog Heen : > ]] Nicolas Dandrimont > >> The "accepted by DSA part" is a bit complicated. We didn't really want to >> bother one of the busiest teams in Debian when the software wasn't even >> packaged, and, when it came up, I felt that the reception of the idea of >> using fedmsg wa

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/7/14 Paul Tagliamonte : > [...] > It's also about the *student*. We want more contributors. Why throw away > someone willing to do great work within Debian? > >> but just because a GSoC student is working on OpenRC in Debian >> doesn't make it any more appealing or sensible in my eyes. >

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/19 Russ Allbery : > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: > >> Popcon however speaks a completely different language: > >>> http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=upstart >>> http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=systemd > >> Currently 64 counted installations for upstart versus 1604 counted

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/20 Paul Tagliamonte : > Yes. This. I was a pretty avid syatemd "hater", but having used it for a > solid 6 months, I can't imagine using anything else. I find myself > installing systemd as one of the first things I do when I get a new install. > > If you're laying down systemd criticism - *

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/22 Russ Allbery : > Игорь Пашев writes: >> 2013/7/22 Roger Leigh : > >>> We would be effectively "locked in". > >> We are locked in sysvinit. > > Except we're not: both systemd and upstart support sysvinit scripts. > Which is why we can do a gradual migration, or even switch back and forth

Re: Innovation in Debian

2013-07-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/22 Raphael Hertzog : > Hi, > > On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: >> I want the process to be something like: >> >> - New PPAMAIN >> - Upload new package >> - "NMU" packages to work with the new stuff (this needs to be >> something that the project is OK with) inside the

Re: Bridge burning

2013-07-28 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/28 Ben Hutchings : > On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 12:49 +1000, Nikolas Kallis wrote: >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I just spotted this on the Debian forum: >> >> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=105456 >> >> >> As you can see, someone (who is obviously new to Linux) came and asked a >> perfectl

Re: Bug#719673: ITP: needrestart -- needrestart checks which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades

2013-08-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/8/22 Paul Wise : > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: > >> By the way, I have always been puzzled with checkrestart being a part of >> the package containing a set of random tools. I mean, the >> discoverability of checkrestart is exactly zero, and one have to stumbl

Re: Introducing dgit - git integration with the Debian archive

2013-08-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/8/22 Ian Jackson : > I'm pleased to announce that dgit 0.7, which is a version of dgit > suitable for alpha and beta testers, is available in unstable. > > >From the manpage: > >dgit [dgit-opts] clone [dgit-opts] package [suite] [./dir|/dir] >dgit [dgit-opts] fetch|pull [dgit-o

Re: jenkins vs. debile [was: Re: Bits from the Release]

2013-09-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/9/27 Michael Tautschnig : >> [...] > > Would you/Matthias be willing to share the feedback on jenkins more widely? I > do > presently run a system with ~60,000 jobs, and, yes, this is probably somewhat > beyond what jenkins was meant to scale to. Yet jenkins does have the practical > adva

Re: Bug#719673: ITP: needrestart -- needrestart checks which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades

2013-10-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/8/22 Paul Wise : > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > >> PackageKit can do that ;-) It has a plugin to check for shared >> libraries in use, I just haven't tested in yet. It should show the >> names of services which need to be rest

Re: Bug#719673: ITP: needrestart -- needrestart checks which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades

2013-10-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/14 Paul Wise : > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > >> It just checks that - I wanted it to look for upload-priorities in >> Debian changelogs some time ago, but doing that was just way too slow. > > Higher upload priorities doesn'

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/24 Steve Langasek : > [...] >> If Gnome depends on gnome-settings-daemon, which now depends on systemd, >> this might be a worrying trend, as non-Linux kernels don't support systemd. > > Well, that's one more reason the init system and the dbus services should be > separated out in the pack

Re: Proposal: switch init system to systemd or upstart

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Neil Williams : > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:29:54 +0200 > m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > >> It is more and more obvious that modern software needs an event-based >> init system. >> >> Pros: >> - more features >> - stable support for advanced boot/SAN environments >> - being more simi

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Thorsten Glaser : > Paul Tagliamonte debian.org> writes: > >>Decide any technical matter where Developers' jurisdictions overlap. > > This is more or less a political question (and one of trust and one to > FINALLY decide what package maintainers and porters can depend on, so > that

Re: let's split the systemd binary package

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Neil Williams : > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:36:30 -0400 > Marvin Renich wrote: > >> However, it is obviously true that systemd as the default init >> system is controversial, and that GNOME depends on it. While GNOME >> may work with systemd installed but not PID 1 at the moment, in >> an

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Colin Watson : > [...] > One thing I will say here and now: if I feel under pressure from my > employer to vote a particular way, then I will immediately recuse myself > from the vote and from further part in the discussion. I'd hope that > would be generally understood as ethical behav

Re: Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/29 Steven Chamberlain : > [...] > > Just wondering, if systemd upstream cares only for Linux and that's > considered okay, might they also start dropping support for > architectures they stop caring about (or for commercial reasons)? Say > MIPS, s390, SPARC. In that case, permanently ditc

Proposal for additional metadata in Debian archives (DEP-11)

2011-10-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
mprovements for DEP-11? Would you generally agree that adding this data is useful? You can find the full text of DEP-11 at [2]. I CCed debian-devel, so more people can comment on this. Thanks for the attention! Kind regards Matthias Klumpp --- [1]: http://distributions.freedesktop.org/w

Re: Advocating the use of RDF for Debian's published metadata - Was: Re: Proposal for additional metadata in Debian archives (DEP-11)

2011-10-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
ailinglist - I hope it is okay to CC ftpmasters, if this is *not* okay, please write a short mail. - I haven't got any reply from ftpmasters on this yet. > Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 à 19:08 +0200, Matthias Klumpp a écrit : > >> AppStream features XML to store metadata. Because we

Re: RFC: Additional metadata in Debian archives (DEP-11)

2011-10-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2011/10/13 Paul Wise : >> [...] >>    Title: AppStream and Component Metadata for Debian >>    DEP: 11 >>    URL: http://wiki.debian.org/AppStreamDebianProposal >>    Drivers: Matthias Klumpp , >>                Julian Andres Klode , >>  

Re: Proposal for additional metadata in Debian archives (DEP-11)

2011-10-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2011/10/31 Charles Plessy : > Le Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 05:49:12PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp a écrit : >> >> For us, it is necessary that APT can process this data (will be >> implemented if DEP-11 can make it) and that parts of it can be written >> into a Xapian-DB for f

Re: Enabling package installation for non-root users

2012-02-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
oup X requires a package of group Y? Users could easily work around this limitation by creating a dummy package in group X which pulls in the package from group Y, which they want.) Cheers, Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "u

Re: Enabling package installation for non-root users

2012-02-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/2/23 Josselin Mouette : > Le jeudi 23 février 2012 à 18:57 +0100, Matthias Klumpp a écrit : >> You can change the PK settings using PolicyKit. Limiting installations >> to a group of packages is not possible at time. (and not planned - >> what if a package in group X

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
lenty of data on how the new init systems behave and will face less problems when switching too. (If this is decided) Kind regards, Matthias Klumpp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKNHny8dU5jjZk7i_OjPFh9z4iv1p13=_7==scpo9dtbk52...@mail.gmail.com

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
upstart's side) Cheers, Matthias Klumpp 2012/2/27 Riku Voipio : > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 01:47:59AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: >> > I have. Not on debian, but on debianish system with dash. And the result >> > was that shellscripts are indeed the bottleneck.  We still d

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/2/27 Samuel Thibault : > Matthias Klumpp, le Mon 27 Feb 2012 17:45:14 +0100, a écrit : >> Maybe interesting to read in this upstart vs. systemd vs. sysvinit >> discussion is the comparison of these three init systems: >> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-03-04 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/3/4 Marc Haber : > On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 01:19:14 +0100, Matthias Klumpp > wrote: >>Debian - as always - is extremely slow in making a decision on this, >>but this time it might be an advantage: Fedora, openSUSE, Mageia, etc. >>already switched to systemd (an

Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! As PackageKit maintainer, I would like to say that we have GNOME-PackageKit as high-lever package manager and Synaptic as low-level PM for GNOME, and that Apper as a high-level package manager is available on KDE. So, I don't really see a problem with package-managers itself here, you would jus

Re: Popularity of bzr-builddeb and dh-make

2012-10-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Have you considered making a poll for this? Because everyone will tell you a different oppinion... For me, I think: bzr-builddeb is specific to Bzr, if you don't use Bzr, it is useless. Instead, dh_make can be used to generate Debian templates quickly, so it might be useful for more people, eve

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! All these concerns about systemd and systemd vs. upstart have been addressed in a very good way by the systemd authors. Also, I would like to point out that "systemd" is the name of a project with multiple binaries - all the features systemd provides don't mean that everything is running in one

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Also, the people who write udev and systemd really know what they are doing, and especially systemd is documented perfectly well - everyone who does not feel comfortable with systemd should read at least the basic docs. (and then think again, and then probably dislike it on a basis of facts) Also,

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
will happily answer it. Cheers, Matthias 2012/11/19 Steve Langasek : > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:48:24PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42:24PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> > Also, the people who write udev and systemd really kn

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2012/11/20 Marc Haber : > On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:13:28 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >>[...] > Aren't the systemd makers trying hard to move existing functionality > from udev, consolekit, policykit and syslogd into systemd, effectively > making those unavailable for non-Linux? No, not really... Co

Re: debian mate

2012-11-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Regarding the GNOME vs. MATE etc., please read this recent post from Vincent: http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2012/11/21/No-fallback-mode-in-GNOME-3.8%2C-future-of-gnome-panel If people (the MATE people?) step in and maintain & adjust the gnome-panel, we won't have any problem for Jessie. I will

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2012/11/21 Andrej N. Gritsenko : > Hello! > > Gergely Nagy has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 10:29: >>Matthias Klumpp writes: > >>> For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it, >>> but the Journal is no dependency of systemd

Re: Wheezy testing versus Wheezy release repositories: confused on how to get source code

2013-01-16 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Why don't you just use the Sid version? => http://packages.debian.org/sid/compiz 2013/1/16 Paul Johnson : > [...] > The Wheezy repo that was testing during the > Squeeze time is a different thing from the Wheezy that is Wheezy > release beta 4? Right? No. Testing *is* Wheezy at time ;-) > In

Re: is Kai Wasserbäch still active?

2013-03-24 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/3/25 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : > Hi Ben, > > I'd be happy to sponsor your package once I'm sober again (just came back > from a pub :)). :D - so the "don't upload packages when you are drunk" warning phrase I read somewhere in Debian packaging instructions was not meant as a joke after all

Re: kann sich jemand erklären warum beide Festplatten auf dem selben Sector einen Fehler haben?

2013-05-08 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Ich glaube, du hast dich in der Mailingliste vertan, debian-devel ist für die (englischsprachige) Diskussion zur Entwicklung der Debian-Distribution. Die Frage kannst du besser unter http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/ stellen, oder in einem Forum. Viel Erfolg! MfG Matthias @list: I

Re: Debian Developers team in Launchpad

2013-12-16 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/12/16 Tae Wong : > Here is a post to LibreOffice's problem with the editing copyright message: > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-December/058214.html > > You're not subscribed to debian-devel and LibreOffice's mailing list. I have the feeling that this is indeed some kin

Re: CUPS is now linked against OpenSSL

2014-01-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014/1/11 Andreas Metzler : > Svante Signell wrote: > [...] >> What are the chances of cups re-licensing (dual-licensing) to GPL2+? >> This would be a step in the right direction. (in worst case use some >> other software package than cups as default for printing) > > I'd guess minimal, iirc Apple

Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-02-11 17:03 GMT+01:00 : >[...] > And if I _really_ needed a binary index, I would put it in a separate file. Guess what journald is doing ;-) And if the journal is not running in persistent mode, this extra logfile only exists temporarily and everything is forwarded to rsyslog, so you gat you

Re: its developers and its users. [was: something from util-linux]

2014-02-12 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-02-12 12:26 GMT+01:00 Oleg : > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:51:38AM +0100, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: >> > I'm using debian and i don't want to use systemd in any form (with >> > gnome3, >> > etc). >> >> Great. gnome3 does not depend on systemd directly. It depends on some >> interfaces provided (s

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-04-05 20:18 GMT+02:00 brian m. carlson : > On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 07:57:50PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> Could you please sum up those discussions and explain what kind of >> changes you would consider to be productive? > > I can sum up the discussions that were had last time on debian-

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-04-28 2:16 GMT+02:00 Don Armstrong : > On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: >> And simultaneous installation of multiple versions of packages is >> simply a requirement for many research computing scenarios, usually >> because there's a lot of bespoke scientific code that accomplishes >> s

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-05-11 15:55 GMT+02:00 Marc Haber : > On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:50:55 +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: >>There is no way to avoid the "userspace.exe" blob Debian is soon made of. > > To be fair, the major Linuxes will soon be made of that. Red Hat wants > it that way. Oh come on! Do we really have to

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-05-13 15:01 GMT+02:00 Marc Haber : > On Mon, 12 May 2014 13:58:31 +0200, Josselin Mouette > wrote: >>Le lundi 12 mai 2014 à 12:16 +0200, Andrew Shadura a écrit : >>> > As far as GDM is concerned, any bug reported with systemd-shim installed >>> > will be ignored. The bug script should probabl

Re: A few observations about systemd

2011-07-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! I spoke with Lennart Poettering about this thread on IRC, and he asked me to forward some clarifications about systemd to this list: >><< i found while reading through that thread a) the main memory usage by systemd is actually the selinux policy we load in to memory so that we can tag socke

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-20 17:44 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : > Quoting Matthias Klumpp (2014-11-20 17:15:50) >> 2014-11-20 16:12 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : >> > Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansga

Re: systemd breaking display manager - no way to force?

2014-11-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 2:53 GMT+01:00 Norbert Preining : > Hi Andrei, > >> - purge lxdm (remove might do it as well, but just for good measure) >> - reconfigure lightdm (to make sure display-manager.service symlink >> points to lightdm.service) > > Yes, indeed, there is a bug in the service file shipped by l

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 20:30 GMT+01:00 Russ Allbery : > Jonas Smedegaard writes: >> Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12) > >>> I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file systems >>> to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a system >>> that has /lib and /etc moun

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 22:10 GMT+01:00 Simon McVittie : > On 22/11/14 19:54, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> (Maybe systemd has smarter methods for that case which I don't know of) > > I think RequiresMountsFor is what you're looking for. > > ConditionFileExists is not the right th

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-28 23:29 GMT+01:00 Adam Borowski : > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:36:22PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:21:48PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> > Is that as "easy" as running current GNOME without systemd, which is >> > surely possible? >> >> Much easier. Note that if y

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