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I suggest you change the message to:
Please remove or rename /usr/src/linux-$version
and try to reconfigure $package.
Telling the user that she must remove it may be confusing.
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I've already supplied a phone number. I can do so again.
> * Any other mechanism by which you can establish your real-life identity with
> reasonable certainty.
Property tax statements, sales tax license, just tell me where to send
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a US statute. As you are outside the
US you could ignore it, though it would be discourteous not to give credit.
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Not that I know of, but IANAL. However, I'm fairly sure that 17 U.S.C. #
105 does deny them copyright. Thus, their "nonsense license" is
unenforceable.
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I'm afraid I don't have any suggestions for you, but I would appreciate it
if you would let me know what the solution is when you find it.
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> Note the above log fragment. My ZOOM modem reports Carrier
> before it reports the CONNECT.
The guy I'm corresponding with sees *only* 'CARRIER '.
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After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on
debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of
almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. Accordingly, I'd like to
keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the extent practical until things
e rescue disk, as long as it
starts up when the user types vi. It probably also should answer to 'ed',
'edit', 'editor', and as many other editor names as we can think of. Put
in a splash screen explaining the situation and the user will thank you for
the opportun
files, anything will do. Anything *small*, that is.
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I wrote:
> Vi and emacs should be able to use any editor.
That should read 'Vi and emacs users should be able to use any editor.'
^
I can't get my wife to try anything but vi, though.
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Ian Lynagh writes:
> So is it free or non-free?
If the algorithm isn't patented you can do what ever you want with it,
regardless of what the inventor says.
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Kikutani Makoto writes:
> I'm a Japanese living in the United States, but not a permanent
> resident. I've heared that the usage of PGP in the States by a person
> like me is controversial.
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> because the PGP problem is not clear.
Don't export it and you are safe from the US Government. Don't use pgp-i
in the US and you are safe from PKP.
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> you use PGP.
If the person you give the 'munition' to exports it, you may be prosecuted
if the Government thinks that you had reason to believe that he might do
so. Him being a non-resident alien is considered such a reason. However,
if he does not expo
had to deal with this idiocy back in the eighties when I was building
computers which may have qualified as 'munitions'.
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Matthew writes:
> How about naming it [Debian releases] after species of penguin?
*Excellent* idea. I suppose it's too late to rename 2.1?
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ds on B and C and upload it along with B and C. Anyone
who upgrades and has A will get it upgraded to A_1.0-0.2, which will pull in
B and C. No one else ever needs to know that A ever existed. After a
release or two you remove A from the distribution.
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I would want to keep them around. B
and C were together in A because someone once thought they belonged
together. It is likely that others will think similarly, or just remember
'A' from bo and go looking for it in emperor. This scheme gives them
what they expect. Think of these as a
it not be used without consulting the
author. If it is not used mail to the author should go to the maintainer
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Joseph Carter writes:
> mpg123 is non-free all right. No commercial use. The author needs to be
> contacted and asked to either replace the GPL code or change his license
> to be compatible with the GPL code he's using.
The author of the GPL code also should be notified.
-
ietary commercial software and if it is on any Debian servers it
must be removed *immediately*. No waiting to see if they might change the
license. It must be removed *now*.
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Edward Betts writes:
> This is a new licence on a new version that has NOT been uploaded.
That was not clear to me.
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ns "contains a copy of all or part
of". Copyright is about making copies.
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not sure how Linus could or couldn't prevent it, unless
> I'm missing something.
I don't see that you are. The user installs the binary-only driver for his
MegaThumper sound card from the CD that came with it or from MegaCorp's web
site: what does that have to do with us o
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> Why give them the option to release closed source when we can force them
> to release free versions?
I don't believe we can.
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amount of crap we'll take from these jerks. Ignore the nonsense about
'hooks' and ship it.
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pyright treaty. It
is meaningless under the Berne convention. It does no harm here since the
subsequent license clearly supersedes it, but it is confusing and should
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having to defend himself legally would pretty much ruin him
> financially.
I think he'd find people standing line to defend him for free.
> I think we should respect the author's wishes...
Yes. Perhaps we should ask what they are?
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ion (Thomas Roessler)
> have to do with us (Debian) offering their program on our US ftp
> servers. IMHO only those people are responsible for export from US to the
> free world, who put it on the FTP servers without restriction.
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Joey writes:
> Do you want us to hurry up in order to catch up with the new 'whole
> bunch' of code names?
I'd still like to use penguins.
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Bart Schuller writes:
> Has anything changed since then, or do we have a too short collective
> memory?
I had always assumed that everything in non-us contained encryption code,
as do the few things in it that I have actually used.
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Package: general
Severity: grave
Justification: causes non-serious data loss
I'm running the current 64-bit Debian with the Cinnamon desktop and have been
experiencing 'freezes' for about
a month now. The mouse still moves around but clicking on any window produces
no response. However right-cl
unctionality, and avoid
a whole bunch of potential bugs.
John
I've seen that on the buildd but my own Alpha isn't having any trouble.
A message on this topic to debian-alpha yielded no replies either, so I
suspect the buildd machine is the only one hosed.
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On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 07:42:01PM +0100, Jean-Yves LENHOF wrote:
> Is'
investment of effort you can invest a
similar small amount of effort in writing a Free version of his client and
include it with your library, thus destroying his market.
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Måns Rullgård writes:
> Actually, copyright law talks a great deal about derivative works,
> without ever going to the trouble of defining them...
The US statute does so, but US case law defines them fairly well.
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Henning Makholm writes:
> I still wonder what the people posting here are thinking, though.
Probably the same thing as the one who emailed me personally (cc'ing
debian-user) asking for help with his "AO*L a*rt fi*le" problem.
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to build an
> operating system. I think.
You are quite right. We cannot fight all battles for everyone.
Let's make an operating system.
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On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 05:53:08PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:32:18 +, Will Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> And we have no time to set up i judgement over content --
> there is a clear criteria for inclusion of packages in Debian already.
We have no need
William Ballard writes:
> After all, we have Christian Syria and Christian Lebanon out of it.
There were Christians in Syria and Lebanon _long_ before the
Crusades.
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On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:30:48AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:34:06 -0600, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 05:53:08PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:32:18 +, Will Newton
&g
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:32:26AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:03:59 -0600, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > You are quite right. We cannot fight all battles for everyone.
>
> > Let's make an operating system.
>
>
rst place.
Saying "we're already doing this" is completely irrelevant to the
question "is it right".
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On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:48:09AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Who gets to decide for each case? Usually it is the person who
The ftpmasters, for starters.
> does the work who makes the decision -- the packager, in this
> case. The only way to override that is call in the tech ctte -
and users from everywhere. But at the same time, we don't
have to accept images from everywhere nor any developer that knocks at
our door.
This is not our fight. Let's fight for Free Software, and let others
battle this one out.
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me criteria for packages to
> pass in order to be accepted which includes issues like these and is
> clear enough that our users understand it.
Indeed, and this is also why Manoj's vi/KDE argument is not relevant.
vi serves a useful purpose for an operating system.
Porn/nudes/whatever don't.
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On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 01:04:50AM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 09:03:18AM -0600, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Indeed, and this is also why Manoj's vi/KDE argument is not relevant.
> >
> > vi serves a useful purpose for
A CPU monitor does. How the load is displayed, line graph,
> dancing bars, color changes, morphing pictures, is a preference
> issue.
Red herring.
Nobody objects to the CPU monitor itself. The objection lies with the
included image, not with the code. Remove that image and I don't think
there'd be any complaint.
-- John
, then let us just replace the image
and be done with it.
Or do you claim that aesthetics has no utliity?
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William Ballard writes:
> The Bible should be in Debian. But the Koran, the Torah, and the Vishnu
> texts (name escapes me at the moment) should all be in there too.
Debian is not Project Gutenberg. Debian is about _software_.
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Debian".
And while I do not object to bible (or koran, or devil-worship) software, I
think that saying that it _should_ be in Debian is excessive. Debian can
do very well without religious software. This is obscure specialty stuff.
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On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 07:45:26PM +, Will Newton wrote:
> On Friday 03 Dec 2004 00:11, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> > Umm, the linux kernel, the purity tests, and the offensive
> > fortunes are not G rated, so can't be given to minors without
> > parental consent. I guess that makes it ille
Glenn Maynard writes:
> gnu-standards is obviously unlikely to be relicensed, and can't be
> rewritten
Of course it could be rewritten (though a rewrite should be retitled).
Standards are ideas, not expression.
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Philippe De Swert writes:
> I am just wondering if it is not the responabilty of the actual Debian
> user not to violate his local laws.
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mean "you can leave this out
if you want to". It might be best to not use it at all as it seems to
engender some confusion.
Note also that the RFC says the the imperatives it defines should be used
sparingly.
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t reason alone. I also haven't seen a convincing argument
that they are beneficial. Why don't standard ABIs suffice?
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> operation of the library?
How could the program do that without being buggy itself?
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e mention
that we could participate in this organization even if we didn't take
their packages? That is, perhaps we could influence the direction to
a more useful one?
If that is the case, it seems zero risk to me.
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: libvisual
Version : 0.2.0
Upstream Author : Dennis Smit et al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://libvisual.sourceforge.net/V2/index.php
* License : LGPL
Description : abstraction library for visualization p
Andi writes:
> "preferred form for modification" is _only_ a GPL-term and not part of
> the SC.
The SC is not a legal document. Common sense should suffice to conclude
that obfuscated source does not comply with the DFSG.
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Stephen Gran writes:
> You have the changelogs. Use them.
The changelogs are in the Packages file?
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guy from his competitors may be in the embedded code.
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Nicolas writes:
> I already thought about it, but I fnind it quite confusing when I cannot
> run /etc/init.d/foobar by hand as soon as it is not enabled on startup.
Your script should check $PRERUNLEVEL. It will be N if you are booting.
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I wrote:
> Your script should check $PRERUNLEVEL. It will be N if you are booting.
That should be $PREVLEVEL.
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gt; Software people".
Very well written, Wouter. Thanks.
One other possibility -- and I don't know if it's true or not -- is that
the organization working on LSB is itself the problem.
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. If you also want to prevent the service from being
started on a runlevel change you have to do something else such as checking
$0.
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I wrote:
> If you also want to prevent the service from being started on a runlevel
> change you have to do something else such as checking $0.
Init exports RUNLEVEL, PREVLEVEL, and INIT_VERSION. Thus INIT_VERSION will
be set if you are booting or changing runlevels.
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Josselin Mouette writes:
> Why in the world would you then want to install a metapackage if its
> selection doesn't suit you?
Most users do not understand meta-packages. They decide to "run Gnome"
rather than "run KDE" and so they install Gnome.
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Thiemo Seufer writes:
> I haven't found an -f option in diff.
Look at the info docs.
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y a miniscule fraction of Web pages are Free. I guess that puts Firefox
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* Package name: missingpy
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Description : Python interface and libraries
Norbert Tretkowski writes:
> There's no label saying "if you don't like these wires, remove them".
And cars never grow unwanted wires.
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* Package name: haskelldb
Version : 0.9 + cvs
Upstream Author : Daan Leijen and the HaskellDB development team
* URL : haskelldb.sf.net
* License : 3BSD
Description : Haskell library for expressing database queries and
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Justin Pryzby writes:
> It occurs to me that help output to stderr is arguably appropriate if an
> invalid option is given
But '--help' is not an invalid option.
I'll have to check my packages.
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> either --help or invalid options.
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> file. It offers you the option of doing it the upstream way.
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I have made similar changes, but I also patched the documentation. Many
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Hi all,
I have a local mirror of sarge here at work for making custom install
cds. My mirror is a copy of the mirror at heanet (ftp.ie.debian.org). I
have noticed incorrect checksums on 8 packages and I am posting the
details here in case this is a serious problem. Hopefully someone more
knowle
Ben Armstrong wrote:
I question, then, the integrity of ftp.ie.debian.org or your own mirror.
Just checking one of my own packages, I obtained a copy from my local
mirror, and this is the result:
$ extract -H md5 xpilot-client-nosound_4.5.5beta.20031222-1_i386.deb
MD5 - 3cfe83e6a25995d17d568737c3c
Thats pretty much what the guy in HEAnet just said to me but the length
of the files is the same. He says that the tcp checksums aren't accurate
enough for 100% correctness.
I'm emailing him some details now.
cheers,
johno
Ben Armstrong wrote:
John,
Have you considered the possibilit
Sorry for the false alarm. Those files were only corrupted. HEAnet have
resynced them now and all is good. Sorry for wasting ppls time.
johno
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> That's an overstatement. Simply having two architectures (i386 and ppc)
> would be enough to reveal nearly all portability bugs.
It required several architectures to uncover all of the portability bugs in
Chrony. ppc was not one of them.
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_for_ _the_ _same_ _target_
_architecture_ and then compare the binaries. I don't see why they should
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forward your comments to the proper authorities at OASIS.
If we stand united in opposition to this unacceptable patent policy, we can
persuade OASIS to change it.
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