Re: Drop testing

2004-10-23 Thread Brian Nelson
Gergely Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> It may sound a bit radical, but core points have been mentioned in the >> thread already. I suggest to do it in a more radical way: >> >> - unstable lockdown in the freeze >> - drop Testing and concentrate on work instead of wasting time on >>sync

Re: Drop testing

2004-10-23 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 03:52:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 02:33:24PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > > Gergely Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> It may sound a bit radical, but core points have been mentioned in the > > >

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian M. Carlson) writes: > This is an intent to mass-file bugs as required per custom. > > Bugs will be filed: > > 1) on packages that include GNU Free Documentation Licensed-material; > 2) on packages in 1) that do not include the copyright or license of > the material i

Re: Intent to mass-file bugs: FDL/incorrect copyright files

2004-11-17 Thread Brian Nelson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 01:42:57AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > > > On Nov 17, "Brian M. Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > I'd say that it's not obvious at all how removing crucial documentation > >> > because some people do not like its

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-01 Thread Brian Nelson
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Michael Dominok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 09:15, Brian Nelson wrote: > >> > Through SPI's presence? >> >> Well, i didn't search _that_ long but couldn'

Re: dselect survey

2004-12-08 Thread Brian Nelson
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:23:16PM -0500, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: > On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 11:11:31AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > > > I used dselect a lot back in the day (I don't know, like up until 2000 > > or so?). It had a clunky but useable interface (though I fully > > understand how new

Re: Status of this ITP?

2004-12-08 Thread Brian Nelson
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:26:00PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 11:30 -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > > On 08-Dec-04, 11:15 (CST), "Luis R. Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > > > Get off your ass. > > > > Ah. I see. Courtesy is not your strong point. > > His pa

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-10 Thread Brian Nelson
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 04:38:10PM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > On Friday 10 December 2004 15.35, Steve Langasek wrote: > > we don't exactly have a strong history of being able to pull off > > timely releases > > Did Debian even try? No, not since I've been around. > I didn't follow the woo

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-10 Thread Brian Nelson
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 01:20:32PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: >> On Dec 09, Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I have been thinking about the blob problem for a while. I propose to >> > remove blobs from the driver, and store them as files in

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-10 Thread Brian Nelson
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 15:21 -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: >> Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 01:20:32PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: >> >> On Dec 09, Bruce Pere

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 09:41:47AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041210 19:55]: > > Yup. There's never been a sense of urgency. The RM's throw out release > > dates and goals every once in a while, but no one seems to take those >

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 03:49:48PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Dec 11, Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If it made any sense at all for a mainboard's BIOS to loaded by the > > Linux kernel at boot time with a non-free firmware blob, the curr

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 03:07:56PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > As far as I'm concerned, distribution of the firmware is the > > manufacturer's realm. Whether the manufacturer distributes it on an > > E

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 08:11:31PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le samedi 11 d?cembre 2004 ? 11:00 -0800, Brian Nelson a ?crit : > > You are the only person I've seen express views similar to mine on > > debian-legal. All other participants argue for non-free-firmware-usi

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 11:50:44AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It's a completely inconsistent and arbitrary policy. > > It's hardly that. We distribute only free software, that's our rule. > The res

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Brian Nelson
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 03:07:56PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >>> Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> > As far as

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 03:36:07PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I don't think it's the case today, but I think that it will be soon. > > It's the way the world is going. > > Especially if we and others just give in and say "ok, that's fine." Act

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 05:49:26PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 02:23:16PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > > While you have your pen and paper out, go ahead and write some hardware > > that a contrib device driver can use without needing firmware loadable &g

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 04:24:16PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > Tim Cutts wrote: > > >If Debian tries to be too rigid, we run a serious risk of consigning > >ourselves to history, because people just won't install Debian any > >more if it doesn't work out-of-the-box on most hardware - and the ti

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 08:02:28PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 04:42:23PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > > Contrib exists for software dependencies. This is not a software > > dependency issue. There is no direct relationship between firmware and > >

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-17 Thread Brian Nelson
Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Peter Van Eynde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: >>> Architectural plans for a house, shipped in a Debian package, are >>> software. >> >> I'm stunned. So anything in a Debian package is software. With alien I >> can co

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-17 Thread Brian Nelson
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 11:07:31AM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: >> No, a definition of "software" was never decided upon. The vote was >> about removing the word "software" in certain places from the DFSG, >

Re: ndiswrapper should be in contrib

2005-01-06 Thread Brian Nelson
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:42:07AM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: > Package: ndiswrapper > Severity: serious > Tags: sarge, sid > > Hi, > > Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: > > > Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source ha

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-06 Thread Brian Nelson
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:50:59PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:15:53 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: > >> Apparently the dickhead maintainer of ndiswrapper-source has just gone > >> into his shell and

Re: Bug#295430: ITP: cpufrequtils -- Tools to access to the Linux kernel cpufreq subsystem

2005-02-16 Thread Brian Nelson
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 02:24:34PM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote: > Javier Setoain wrote: > >* Package name: cpufrequtils > > Version : 0.2-pre1 > > Upstream Author : Dominik Brodowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >* URL : http://www.example.org/ > >* License : GPL > > Des

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Brian Nelson
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Our chances of actually releasing one day could only increase if we >> dropped arches such as mipsel, s390, m68k, ... and concentrated on >> those that actually mattered: i386, powerpc, amd64 -- an

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-21 Thread Brian Nelson
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 11:33:35AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 10:57:47PM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > > But a total of eleven is insane. > > It is sometimes hard to get them all to work, yes. > > It also vastly increases the quality of the Free Software in our >

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ...

2005-02-21 Thread Brian Nelson
Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 11:13 -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 11:33:35AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> > On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 10:57:47PM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: >> > > But a total o

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ...

2005-02-21 Thread Brian Nelson
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Brian Nelson writes: >>> That's an overstatement. Simply having two architectures (i386 and ppc) >>> would be enough to reveal nearly all portability b

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ...

2005-02-21 Thread Brian Nelson
Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson debian.org> writes: >> And for the more obscure architectures, virtually all of the testing >> comes from the build of the package. How many people out there are >> actually using e.g. KDE on mi

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ...

2005-02-22 Thread Brian Nelson
"Thaddeus H. Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [Not private. Reply on-list if you wish.] > >> However, I do think that not including amd64 (while keeping mips and >> friends) in the sarge release due to mirroring problems is ridiculous. > > Amen, brother. > >> ... packages are uploaded too fre

Re: [Proposal] Upgrade newraff hardware

2005-03-15 Thread Brian Nelson
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:05:13AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > Hello Debian developers, > > It had come several times that one major problem is the load of > wanna-build connection on newraff, and the time and memory it take > to run the testing scripts. > > Debian certainly has enough goodwi

Re: Security support for tier-2

2005-03-15 Thread Brian Nelson
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:37:22PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, Henning Makholm wrote: > > >> Nothing's going to prevent porters from adding stable-security (or > >> whatever) to their autobuilders, > > > > True - for as long as they do not try to upload the result to the > > Debian archi

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Brian Nelson
Can we *please* ban Ingo from d-d? He's been a huge pain in the ass on this list for months now, has absolutely nothing constructive to contribute, and is actively trying to subvert the project. On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 09:09:47PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:34:16P

Re: *seconded* Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Brian Nelson
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 10:26:58PM +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > Hello > > As most people in this threas have expressed lot of bad feelings about > this. I must tell that I think this proposal is a good step toward > quicker releases etc. > > With the clarifications (see the new thread) I must sa

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Brian Nelson
Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:15:46 +0100, Romain Francoise > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Can we *please* ban Ingo from d-d? He's been a huge pain in the ass on >>

Re: Licenses for DebConf6

2005-11-14 Thread Brian Nelson
Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Rich Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-11-14 18:46:50]: >> Hold on - does this mean I will or won't be able to do >> apt-get install debconf6-doc > > you will, and most likely it will be 100% complete. if someone > packages it. Uhhh, why would

Re: Licenses for DebConf6

2005-11-14 Thread Brian Nelson
Rich Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> * Rich Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-11-14 18:46:50]: >>>> Hold on - does this mean I wil

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-11-16 Thread Brian Nelson
Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > while preparing an upload of gcc-2.95 which fixes its worst problems > I wondered how many users of it are actually left. 9 packages in > unstable still declare a build dependency on gcc-2.95 or g++-2.95, > this makes it IMHO a plausible release goal to

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-10 Thread Brian Nelson
Anthony Towns writes: > On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 04:27:10PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 04:52:31PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> > >I also see the keyring's been updated earlier this week, including >> > >both a replacement key for Horms from late last month, and Chi

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-03 Thread Brian Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Jan 04, Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Not to mention that 2.6.15 requires a newer udev. Who knows what other newer >> things newer kernels might require. > OTOH, old kernel are buggy and out of date wrt modern hardware, and we > lack the

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-04 Thread Brian Nelson
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le mercredi 04 janvier 2006 à 14:21 +0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit : >> On Jan 04, "Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > udev has broken my system -- completely (as in: can't boot and/or log in) >> > -- >> > _seven_ distinct times s

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Brian Nelson
Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 1/18/06, Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > As pointed out several times, the source package in the ubuntu archive >> > is NOT different to the source package in the debian archive. The >> > binary package have been rebuilt in an differ

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-01-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Christopher Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 19 January 2006 12:09, Adeodato Simó wrote: >> However, I'm pretty sure that more than one Developer thinks the >> proper interpretation would be: >> >> (b) this amendment overrules debian-legal's assessment that certain >>

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-01-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Christopher Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 19 January 2006 20:39, Don Armstrong wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Christopher Martin wrote: >> > No, because as I wrote the whole point of the amendment is to make >> > officially acceptable the interpretation of the license which view

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-01-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I completely agree, and hereby question whether the secretary is capable >> of being impartial in this case given his personal interests[1] in this >> issue. >

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-01-20 Thread Brian Nelson
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> >>>> I completely agree, and

Re: Bug#292479: ITP: kernel-patch-swsusp2 -- software suspend 2 for linux kernel patch

2005-01-27 Thread Brian Nelson
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 10:20:05AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > @Bernard, I intend to package swsusp2 for Debian, just letting you > know... > > * Package name: kernel-patch-swsusp2 > Version : 2.1.5.15 > Upstream Author : Bernard Blackham

Re: unixODBC vs. iODBC

2005-03-31 Thread Brian Nelson
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 09:53:57PM +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Debian currently ships two ODBC driver managers, unixODBC (source > package "unixodbc") and iODBC (source package "libiodbc2"). These > basically do the same thing. Every package that wants to provide > database access through

Re: Bug#304220: ITP: libqt4lab -- Qt4Lab plugin library

2005-04-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 09:05:56PM +0200, Fathi BOUDRA wrote: > I'm looking for a sponsor for my qt4lab package. > The project seems already promising, and there's a collaboration > with qwt project. > > You can find my package here : > http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/ > > best regards, > > Fathi

Re: What do you win by moving things to non-free?

2005-04-19 Thread Brian Nelson
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 12:03:07AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 05:31:52AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > If you really want to retain your "everything is software" point of > > view, think about the consequences and work on them _before_ starting > > the removals - and pr

Re: Key Signing in Vancouver, BC

2005-04-26 Thread Brian Nelson
On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 04:53:05PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey! Shaun Jackman generously offered to meet in New Westminister over > lunch to exchange gpg signatures > > Meeting other debian/linux/open source folks would be totally awesome! If you're willing to cross the border, you co

Bug#306694: ITP: qt-x11-opensource -- Qt 4 cross-platform C++ application framework

2005-04-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: qt-x11-opensource Version : 4.0 beta 2 Upstream Author : Trolltech AS * URL or Web page : http://www.trolltech.com * License : Dual GPL/QPL Description : Qt 4 cross-platform C++ application framework Qt is a cross-plat

Re: Bug#306694: ITP: qt-x11-opensource -- Qt 4 cross-platform C++ application framework

2005-04-27 Thread Brian Nelson
On Wed, Apr 27, 2005 at 11:10:44PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Brian Nelson] > > * Package name: qt-x11-opensource > > Version : 4.0 beta 2 > > Upstream Author : Trolltech AS > > Is there some reason for the "-opensource" in t

Re: Outrageous Maintainer

2005-05-01 Thread Brian Nelson
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 09:56:42AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 10:04:35PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > A Replaces without a Conflicts is I think always wrong. > > No, absolutely not. See policy, section 7.5, for details -- especially > section 7.5.1. Policy i

Re: mail clients and threading... (was: Re: And now for something completely different... etch!)

2005-06-14 Thread Brian Nelson
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 08:06:07PM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > On Tuesday 14 June 2005 19.14, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: > [...] > > Hmmm. Is it just my kmail, or does your mailer produce strange (or no?) > In-Reply-To headers? It's not just you. > All your posts I saw (and none o

Re: dummy packages and "Replaces:" field

2005-06-23 Thread Brian Nelson
On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:02:44PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:38:34PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > On 6/23/05, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OK. How would I make use of this. I was going to adopt iceme and > > > icepref, but then I

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
reopen 159971 reopen 124472 reopen 147059 reopen 70184 thanks Anselm Lingnau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Format: 1.7 > Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 01:15:33 +0200 > Source: bwidget > Binary: bwidget > Architecture: source all > Version: 1.6.0-1 > Distribution: unstable > Urgency: low > Maintainer: An

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:47:15PM +1200, Nick Phillips wrote: >> If your changelog merely says "New upstream version, closes: #123 #456", >> it's no help whatsoever, and I will (rightly) think that you suck. > > This is debian-devel: as

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon 26 May 2003, Brian Nelson wrote: > >> Umm, no, the changelog is for listing changes (*change* log, get it?), >> not for just closing bugs without any reason given whatsoever. >> >> Why do so many seem to have

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 08:39:50AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> > Perhaps a separate, concise message to debian-devel-announce? >> >> I doubt it would help. I see changelog abuse as an act of laziness, not >> ig

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Christian Kurz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi Brian > > On [26/05/03 23:13], Brian Nelson wrote: >> Anselm Lingnau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] >> >* Closes: #159971, #124472, #147059, #70184. > >> Umm, no, the changelog is for listing

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:15:37PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > >> 1. To show others, especially NM's, what not to do. NM's mostly learn >>by example, and I think it helps to ensure they don't follow bad >

Re: Managing package sources with subversion?

2003-05-29 Thread Brian Nelson
"Marcelo E. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was looking for some pointers about managing package sources with > subversion. I've got a grasp of the basics and I have looked at a > couple of examples (most notably Branden's SVN repository for the > XFree86 packages). My main concern

Re: [OT?] Re: Managing package sources with subversion?

2003-05-29 Thread Brian Nelson
Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:12:28AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> I use subversion for some things, but I haven't moved my Debian >> package repositories over yet because I've just had too many problems >> w

Changelog issues with (among others) tkdiff 1:3.08-4

2003-05-31 Thread Brian Nelson
Adrian Bridgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Changes: > tkdiff (1:3.08-4) unstable; urgency=low > . >* lintian fixes Issues that lintian reports are, in most cases, bugs. Bugs that you have fixed should be explicitly described in the changelog. After all, lintian reports many different

Re: Changelog issues with (among others) tkdiff 1:3.08-4

2003-06-01 Thread Brian Nelson
Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Issues that lintian reports are, in most cases, bugs. Bugs that you >> have fixed should be explicitly described in the changelog. After all, >> lintian reports many di

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-01 Thread Brian Nelson
"Marcelo E. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 02:59:40PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > > >* New upstream version (Closes: #193497) > > > > Meep. No. > > > > Write proper changelogs and(or close bugs the right way[tm]. That > > form is only acceptable f

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-20 Thread Brian Nelson
Javier FernÃndez-Sanguino PeÃa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > I was wondering, should I make a mass filing of bugs for those packages > who fail to produce a proper description? > > I would probably first do so for the packages whose short description = > long description or who do not have

Keysigning opportunity in Portland, OR

2003-06-22 Thread Brian Nelson
I'm going to be in Portland, Oregon, for June 22-28. I'll probably have time for a keysigning and maybe a quick beer if any Debian developers and/or users are interested. Just drop me a mail if you want to meet somewhere. -Brian -- Poems... always a sign of pretentious inner turmoil. pgp8Nkl

Re: Please don't misuse the debian/changelog to close bugs!

2003-06-25 Thread Brian Nelson
Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gerfried Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> During some of the discussions lately on debian-devel another usage of >> the changelog has risen interest: >> >> * New upstream release (closes: #123, #124, #125) >> >> This has also raised some discussion

Re: Please don't misuse the debian/changelog to close bugs!

2003-06-26 Thread Brian Nelson
Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> It's pointless to go through this again. Instead, I'll offer a concrete >> example of the confusion this can create (the original submitter asks >> for cla

Re: Application files in $HOME

2003-06-29 Thread Brian Nelson
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 02:02:04PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: >> What if the packages tells to dpkg which files or directories it will >> create on the user's home directory and when a package is purged the >> user could run a program to purge the fil

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Brian Nelson
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:23:14PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: >> > That would be clause #1 of the Debian Social Contract. >> >> Where do you draw the line between software, data and documentation? I >> get the impression that you are readin

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Brian Nelson
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:19:59PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:23:14PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: >> >> > Th

Re: Qt3 still broken (compat-headers), what to do?

2003-07-13 Thread Brian Nelson
Sebastian Rittau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 01:51:07PM +1000, Ben Burton wrote: > >> It seems then that our options are as follows. >> >> (i) Wait for the Qt maintainers to upload a fix. >> (ii) Do an NMU for Qt, despite the fact that this bug is not >> release-critica

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Brian Nelson
Halil Demirezen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> some useless architecture like arm or m68k > > Are we in dilemma on "should we support arch that are not used widely?" or > "We should support all architectures" No, this has nothing to do with usage. The question is why support an arch if nobody i

Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.

2003-07-30 Thread Brian Nelson
Keith Dunwoody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Chad Walstrom wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 03:52:51PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>>Package: wnpp >>>Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-30 >>>Severity: wishlist >>> >>>* Package name: decss >> Like that won't be a confusing package

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Brian Nelson
Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Oh, look, someone else who CCs when it is obvious the person they're >> responding to is participating right here. > > Maybe you should stop whining and just set the Mail-Copies-To header, > which is generall

Re: Bug#212525: Package contains non-free GNU FDL material

2003-09-26 Thread Brian Nelson
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 02:40:07PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I did. I feel my packages are not buggy, lacking a position >> statement by the project. > > So, what we ship in main shall not be a function of whether the works in > it are D

Re: aspell dictionary packages fail to build

2005-07-17 Thread Brian Nelson
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 04:34:05PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote: > Howdy, > > The aspell dictionary packages build-depend on aspell-bin (>> 0.60). > aspell-bin is now a virtual package provided by aspell, but virtual > packages cannot be versioned, so these build-dependency cannot be > satisfied. > >

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So aspell changed the library name to libaspell15c2, which breaks all > the existing packages that use libaspell. > > Was this really an ABI change in libaspell? If not, there was no > reason to make the change as I understand it. Were high-sev

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> So aspell changed the library name to libaspell15c2, which breaks all >>> the existing pac

Re: BTS version tracking

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > The 'reopen' command takes an optional submitter argument, so it was > difficult to get a version in here unambiguously. Instead, we've > introduced a new 'found' command, which says "I've found the bug in this > version of the package". You can use

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:39:23PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> It's a C++ library and the ABI changed due to being compiled with GCC >> 4.0. > >> [Actually, although it's written in C++, AFAIK it only export

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-20 Thread Brian Nelson
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 09:52:13AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > However, that fix is not in the stable package of aspell. In stable, > > aspell-bin just depends on libaspell15 (>= 0.60), so a partial upgrade > > o

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-21 Thread Brian Nelson
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 11:52:51PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> Reintroducing the libaspell15 could cause problems with > /usr/bin/aspell, >> since it actually goes outside the C API of libaspell and uses C++ >> link

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-22 Thread Brian Nelson
"Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson wrote: >> OK, very well then, I'll undo the GCC 4 transition for libaspell15. > > Isn't there still a binary-compatibility issue here? I thought that > in an application, there must onl

Re: OT: Bruce Perens spamming -devel?

2005-08-03 Thread Brian Nelson
Anders Breindahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 03 August 2005 02:16, Steve > Langasek wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 06:32:44PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: >> > Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for >> > advertisments on Debian mailing lists. >> Y'know,

Re: shouldn't I use update-alternatives for this?

2005-08-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 05:28:48PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 09:20:23AM -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > > Qingning Huo suggested using diversions to make /usr/bin/git a little > > selector script that lets the admin & user choose between git-the-shell > > and

Re: Bug#326173: RFH: php-pspell

2005-09-02 Thread Brian Nelson
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 07:32:57AM +, OndÅ?ej SurÜ wrote: > there was three request to enable *spell extensions in php4/5 packages. > Currently nobody from PHP maintainers team wants to add more burden on > his shoulders, hence I request help from our fellow debian developers > to package pspe

Re: wnpp situation

2005-09-12 Thread Brian Nelson
Andrew Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:47:33AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: >> Hi, >> If you go through the list of wnpp bugs you will see alot of >> open bugs which are very very old. >> Especially the RFPs. What about closing an RFP bug >> automatically after the t

Re: wnpp situation

2005-09-13 Thread Brian Nelson
Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi! > > * Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050913 02:46]: > [ long RFPs ] >> Or don't even open RFP bugs in the first place because they're >> thoroughly useless? > > Do you have a proposal for a

Re: Bug#335790: O: sysv-rc-conf -- SysV init runlevel configuration tool for the terminal

2005-10-25 Thread Brian Nelson
Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Orphaning this package now - the maintainer has no time to work on it > and agreed to the orphaning. If you want it: Fix the bugs, change > maintainer, upload a new version. Note that the previous maintainer was also upstream for the package... -- Cap

Re: postinst scripts failing because a new conffile wasn't accepted: Is it a bug?

2005-10-31 Thread Brian Nelson
Benjamin Mesing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello > > >> assume that an update to a package brings in a changed conffile, and >> because the local admin had changed the conffile, he is asked, and he >> refuses to accept the changed version. > This brings up an issue that is bothering me as a use

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-10 Thread Brian Nelson
Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 10469 March 1977, Josselin Mouette wrote: > >>> Rejected: source only uploads are not supported. >> I can't see the rationale for rejecting source uploads, and they used to >> be accepted in the past. > > Because people then fuck up their packages eve

Re: Iceweasel and Firefox compatibility

2009-11-10 Thread Brian Nelson
Mike Hommey wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:05:47PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:45:04PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:43:19AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: John Goerzen wrote: Firefox/x.y.z Iceweasel/x.y.z Sounds too Firefoxy. What's the pr

Re: md5sums files

2010-03-08 Thread Brian Nelson
Don Armstrong writes: > On Sat, 06 Mar 2010, Andreas Metzler wrote: >> Russ Allbery wrote: >> > Figuring out a better solution for why the files in >> > /var/lib/ispell and /var/lib/aspell are excluded from the md5sums >> > generation because they change after installation is probably >> > neede

Re: Hardware trouble ries.debian.org - ftpmaster.debian.org / release.d.o services back this weekend

2010-04-07 Thread Brian Nelson
Luca Filipozzi writes: > ries is located at Brown University. Brown provides free hosting, > bandwidth and remote intelligent hands. They have provided exemplary > support but it doesn't include (nor should we have an expectation that > it includes) 4-hour response. > > ries is covered by a nex

Re: Non-recompilable binaries in source and binary packages (Adobe Flash strikes again)

2010-08-13 Thread Brian Nelson
Joerg Jaspert writes: >>> I don't think anyone disagrees with this, including the ftp-masters. The >>> question is whether the source package also needs a copyright file of its >>> own. >> As we are distributing these files, it seems reasonable to document their >> licence. But the Policy is not

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