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> > format-undeclared source packages can't be eradicated from the earth
> > entirely. So why not simply declare that they are source format 1.0,
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> Please take this conversation to -project or elsewhere, it does not
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> > Which of the above uses of “stable” refers to stability (“slow rate
> > of change”), and which refers to reliability (“high likelihood of
> > working when need
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> BF> comfortable running an OS from a repository with no promises about
> BF> stability? If not, who a
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> On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:32:43 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> > What reference do you have for [a Unix-wide scope for the FHS]? My
> > recollection of the FHS purpose from its inception was that it was
> > limited to GNU/Linux, just as now.
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> > What of those that use an OpenID provider not on the whitelist? […
> > What of non-DDs who do not necessarily have an account on any of those
> > services […]?
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> For an example of this approach, see the ‘docutils-manpage-writer’
> package.
The package is actually named ‘docutils-writer-manpage’.
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> > * Invoke the appropriate VCS tool to export the specified revision
> > from the VCS repository URL to a temporary directory.
> >
> > * Pack the temporary directory to an appropriately-named tarball in
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> Debian's policy §4.9 discusses a ‘debian/rules’ target named
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> `get-orig-source' (optional)
> This target fetches the most recent version of the original
> source package from a canoni
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> > How can I reliably inform the Debian packaging tools that my quilt
> > patches are in ‘patch -p0’ format?
>
> You don't want to use -p0 otherwise you'll get bugs from bu
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> > My first impression is that, if buxy can't handle a ‘-p0’ patch,
> > that's a bug.
My apologies, I thought ‘buxy’ was perhaps the name of some service on
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> > Quilt make it easy to refresh any patch to the expected format
> > with "quilt refresh -p1" (or -pab).
>
> I'm a complete neophyte at Quilt, and am using it only to apply
> patches that I've
Raphael Hertzog writes:
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> > More specifically, I'm not the one using Quilt *at all*. The patches
> > are created from my VCS, stored in the ‘debian/patches/’ directory
> > separate from the upstream source, so there isn
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> > Yes, that could be done. It needs to be done by every user, for
> > every patch that they ever create for consumption with
> > ‘dpkg-source’. Which is why I was hoping for a way to fix it in
> >
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> On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 11:03:57AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
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> > === modified file 'policy.sgml'
[…]
> > + for Debian. See the “Original source archive”
> > + section, below, for policy details of thi
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>
> Indeed, the whole rationale for
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> > One of the new features announced in MoinMoin 1.7 is OpenID
> > authentication. Could this please be enabled on the Debian wiki?
>
> That would likely make it much harder to fix #3857
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> licensecheck says "UNKNOWN" of course...
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> Is such reference to external file sufficient for source files to be
> packed for Debian?
What is needed is an explicit copyright notice and grant of license.
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> > I find the structure [in the proposed copyright file format] makes
> > it far easier to write and check than the free-form chaos of many
> > existing files. What would you have
Ben Finney writes:
> The page mentions, in several places now, the desire to set up a
> discussion forum to continue the discussion away from the page; once
> that's set up I'll be happy to pitch in and clear the weeds from
> that page.
I have cleared away the discussions
Sune Vuorela writes:
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> >> It is a too complex, overengineered solution to a very minor issue.
> >
> > I find it very surprising that someone can be a Debian developer and
> > consider copyright of works to be ???a very minor i
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> > principle, to maintain an accurate knowledge of the copyright
> > status of the works we distribute in Debian. I base that
> > assumption on the necessi
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> > The point is that, since we can predict the need for this
> > information, we have the choice of assuming the information is
> > there when we distribute and never looking for it until the need
> > arises in the fac
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> > All of what you've demonstrated is part of what Mike covered with
> > ???one has to go through all of the source files anyway???, is it
> > not? The point I got from his message is that, having *already*
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ly as you say. Yet apparently this has not happened. Why
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> > * Display of the copyright notices, license grant and terms (in
> > e.g. ‘aptitude’) when deciding whether or not to install a
> > package.
>
> I don't see how that
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> > > Are you saying that you don't want any BSD packages or that
> > > you're trying to make Debian out of only packages using GNU
> > > licences?
> >
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