Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Anthony Towns
far as I'm concerned... Since then, of course... Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``Dear Anthony Towns: [...] Congratulations -- you are now cer

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Anthony Towns
m is much more > worthwhile to address than security updates targeted at 'testing'. You're wrong: blockages can never be cleared quickly enough to make for timely security fixes. For security fixes, "timely" is "same day"; for testing, "timely" is &q

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-14 Thread Anthony Towns
t hard? Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``Dear Anthony Towns: [...] Congratulations -- you are now certified as a Red Hat Certified Engineer!''

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
s actually good at. > Sidestepping the process to provide this kind of "timely" security update > for "unreleased" software, on the other hand, doesn't seem particularly > valuable to me. What, precisely, is unreleased about it? Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PR

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > Take the harden package, or create something similar: a package that > > >

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:13:59AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > >

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:06:47AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 03:19:02PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >> Do you honestly think would be a good idea to use testing-security this way &

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
g/tpu-approved/. Any developer can easily be put "in a position to do so" with a fair amount of ease. If someone would like to volunteer whose not in with the security team, or a release assistant, please talk to herr DPL about doing so, rather than me. Cheers, aj -- Anthony T

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 03:57:58PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:14:53AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > >I'm sorry, I am on a public terminal, and can't quite remember where I > >read it - But testing should always be close to a releasable state. > That assumption is both fa

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:28:48PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 10:40:10AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:06:47AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > There's that "we" again. Why not unstable, too? > &g

Re: security in testing

2003-05-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 09:11:27AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Yes, and funnily enough, uploads to -p-u have to be processed by the > > release manager, either Joey for stable, or me for testing. > This may be a stupid question, but why is ther

Re: security in testing

2003-05-16 Thread Anthony Towns
to announce them, and to keep the secret if they've not been widely announced. I don't care if *you* are the person that's doing it, or if it's some complete newbie to the security team; what I do care about is not wasting or unnecessarily duplicating the infrastructure we'

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Re: OOo and testing...

2003-05-17 Thread Anthony Towns
ng. (It didn't go in yesterday in spite of being a valid candidate because the two OOo packages need to go in simultaneously, which I didn't notice; you can tell it didn't go in because update_output doesn't list openoffice.org in a `final:' line anywhere) Cheers, a

Re: Warning: python-apt in testing broken, aptitude users DO NOT UPGRADE

2003-05-18 Thread Anthony Towns
t, I told them to ignore it, since finally getting python, perl, qt, postgresql, etc up to date in testing is far more important. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail prefer

Re: security in testing

2003-05-20 Thread Anthony Towns
ly. That misses the point, I think: Matt was saying "it should go into a security update repository, just not on security.debian.org", and Mike was asking "why not?". "We don't currently do it" isn't an answer to that question. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL P

Re: voting system overview

2003-05-22 Thread Anthony Towns
don't make that assumption, or ignore that concern shouldn't be surprising, and isn't particularly informative. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Anthony Towns
topic for this mailing list. Take it to soc.politics or somewhere already. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``Dear Anthony Towns: [...] Congratulations --

Re: analysis of package dependencies

2001-04-24 Thread Anthony Towns
thout a reason for being installed. > Is there a program for this already? deborphan might be tweakable to do this. pkg-order could also be useful. Apt 0.5 now has a python interface, and possibly a perl interface, so that's probably usable too. HTH. Cheers, aj -- Anthony

Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Anthony Towns
doesn't build on sparc/arm, see 94514 + axe uploaded 125 days ago, out of date by 115 days! doesn't build on sparc, no bug filed + atari800 uploaded 125 days ago, out of date by 115 days! depends on svgalibg1 on m68k; svgalib isn't supported on anything

Re: console in testing

2001-04-25 Thread Anthony Towns
are/keymaps so I can't check if loadkeys will fix > my problem (below). console-data's missing due to its two RC bugs (85128, and 85629). I think everything else is due to that. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don&

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Anthony Towns
testing already takes too much of both. Generally, if the problem doesn't occur on alpha, it's specific to one or two arches. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Anthony Towns
n is to disable it in /etc/sysctl.conf. > >> However, I just had a look, and sysctl.conf is in procps which isn't > >> essential. So we may need to move this functionality to an essential > >> package, perhaps sysvinit. > > How about netbase and put it in /etc/ne

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Anthony Towns
ore comprehensible. Arm does this to get a list of out of date packages for arm that don't have RC bugs against them already, eg. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG sig

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Anthony Fok
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:53:15PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > + locale-vi uploaded 202 days ago, out of date by 192 days! > + locale-zh uploaded 190 days ago, out of date by 188 days! > probably should be removed from the archive as of glibc 2.2.x > (conflicts with gl

Re: Are build-dependancies mandatory?

2001-04-27 Thread Anthony Towns
dependencies. Note, that said > policy version itself is not mandatory. This is not correct. All packages have to follow current policy: if they miss out on most issues, that's a bug, if they miss some other issues, that's an RC bug. It doesn't matter what Standards-Version they

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-27 Thread Anthony Towns
and i386 postgresql has had a brand new upstream release (7.1) There are other broken things here too. (Gotta love complicated dependency sets and software that's not backwards or forwards compatible...) php4's another matter entirely, which I'm not inclined to look into yet :)

Re: Are build-dependancies mandatory?

2001-04-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:31:02PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: > > This is not correct. All packages have to follow current policy: if they > > miss out on most issues, that's a bug, if they miss some other issues, > > that'

Re: Many ports open by default

2001-04-30 Thread Anthony Towns
ore. And, indeed, there's a debconf question for this very reason. OTOH, anyone who wants to use telnet, but not telnetd, can just install the telnet.deb, but not the telnetd.deb. In general, services get their own package, and when they do, if you don't want them running: don't in

Re: Proposing task-debian

2001-04-30 Thread Anthony Towns
nd moving both tetex and emacs out from standard? Cheers, aj (alternately, we could expand tasksel so that it'd take note of a religion-emacs metapackage...) -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GP

Re: Proposing task-debian

2001-04-30 Thread Anthony Towns
work through, and they seem likely to be useful. (They could be further categorised by naming them like: task-devel-c task-lang-polish task-user-wordprocessing task-server-dns task-hardware-dialup And having tasksel know about the conventions we might us

Re: dinstall problem?

2001-05-03 Thread Anthony Towns
the changes file and don't see anything > wrong and I don't suspect there is since it IS in the pool. Can anyone > shead some light on this? HTH. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-05-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:35:03PM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: > Quoting Anthony Towns : > > + roxen-fonts-iso8859-2 uploaded 399 days ago, out of date by > > + roxen-fonts-iso8859-1 uploaded 399 days ago, out of date by > These are fonts. Why should they be 'out of d

build depends on kernel-headers

2001-05-05 Thread Anthony Towns
eaders" for programs that really do? Help! :) Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty, in exchange for a benefit you do not

Re: build depends on kernel-headers

2001-05-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 06:07:54AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 06:23:39PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > In short, how do you do them? > > AFAICT, I could conceivably add either > Build-Depends: kernel-headers-2.2 > or > Build-Dep

Re: build depends on kernel-headers

2001-05-06 Thread Anthony Towns
kernel different from the one you compiled > for, the chances are that you do not need specific kernel headers; at > most, you need to say headers from a kernel later than blah). Sure, fine, wonderful. How do I do this, exactly? Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <

Re: libggi2 and testing?

2001-05-06 Thread Anthony Towns
> accepted in testing. It (update-output) mumbles something incoherent about > the package on alpha, but it's now been built for alpha. Yup, but the version on alpha depends libc6.1 >= 2.2.3-1 or so, and libc6 2.2.3-1 doesn't build on i386... Cheers, aj -- Anthon

Re: Finishing the FHS transition

2001-05-07 Thread Anthony Towns
uot;Standards-Version: 526.7.8.9.13-Foo.6" if you want. And no matter what Standards-Version you have, you still have to follow the FHS, you have to use /usr/share/doc, and if you specify build-dependencies they have to be correct. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Finishing the FHS transition

2001-05-07 Thread Anthony Towns
ather than not having anything). That's still independent of Standards-Version, though. Policy still needs to be changed to say that documentation should be referenced from /usr/share/doc rather than /usr/doc, iirc. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.o

Re: Woody Freeze Plans - Progress Report II

2001-05-07 Thread Anthony Towns
ne uploads to unstable? Will people be able to upload to frozen > during the various parts of various freezes? There'll probably be three+two: ie, stable, testing, unstable, potato-proposed-updates and woody-proposed-updates. woody-proposed-updates will be for emergencies only. Cheers,

Re: PostgreSQL in testing

2001-05-07 Thread Anthony Towns
when that settles down it'll go in) Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty, in exchange for a benefit you

Re: PostgreSQL in testing

2001-05-07 Thread Anthony Towns
s not. :-) Nah, it's the other way around: one of the php3 binaries in testing doesn't work with the postgresql in unstable, and the php3 in unstable doesn't work with the postgresql in testing; ditto some other php3 binary and apache, and a few other similar things. It gets quite

Re: PostgreSQL in testing

2001-05-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 06:09:10PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: > Anthony Towns wrote: > >Nah, it's the other way around: one of the php3 binaries in testing > >doesn't work with the postgresql in unstable, and the php3 in unstable > >doesn't work with t

Re: Questions to testing/unstable

2001-05-08 Thread Anthony Towns
like. It's certainly okay to run from a somewhat out-of-date unstable box, and that's essentially what testing ends up being. Some parts are obvious more out of date than others, though. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I

Re: Woody Freeze Plans - Progress Report II

2001-05-08 Thread Anthony Towns
if also counting uploaded pkgs m68k:78.97% up-to-date, 79.89% if also counting uploaded pkgs mips:56.93% up-to-date, 56.93% if also counting uploaded pkgs mipsel: 1.48% up-to-date, 1.48% if also counting uploaded pkgs sparc: 90.62% up-to-date, 91.89% if also counting uploa

Re: Questions to testing/unstable

2001-05-08 Thread Anthony Towns
packages don't work on the old libraries _and_ old packages don't work with the new libraries). This is rarely the case. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Anthony Towns
ith it. AFAIC, the default settings'll remain exactly as they are in the kernel. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty, i

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-06 Thread Anthony Towns
c/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn' to enable). This'd be analagous to the current behaviour with IP forwarding. There might be other options too. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG sig

Re: http://standard.debian.net/ now available

2001-09-07 Thread Anthony Towns
ous tetex-base 111284 open serious tetex-base 111289 open serious wvdial 97298 open serious xfonts-biznet-iso-8859-2 108911 open grave Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mai

Re: http://standard.debian.net/ now available

2001-09-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:39:03AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > > http://standard.debian.net/ is now available showing all bugs in > > > standard. 8

Re: Cruft update

2001-09-08 Thread Anthony Towns
hings that all packages are meant to do should really be in -policy. That's policy's entire raison d'etre, after all. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail pref

Re: build dependency alternatives sequencing

2001-09-10 Thread Anthony Towns
hings rather than by having maintainers restrict their Build-Deps, IMO. Especially considering there are are some obvious bugs in the buildd's current handling of things. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don

Re: spammer attached to debian-bugs-dist?

2001-09-12 Thread Anthony Towns
27; opening ceremony. Looks like some twit's subscribed the fanmail address (and its autoresponder) to debian-bugs-dist or debian-bugs-closed. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail pref

Re: Why isn't apt 0.5.4 moving to testing?

2001-09-13 Thread Anthony Towns
t it's not built on arm yet) and additionally the updated gnome-apt and stormpkg were built with the old apt on powerpc, so can't be successfully upgraded either. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyo

Re: Generating pool-based package.gz files

2001-09-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 02:43:17PM +0800, James Brown wrote: > Hey all, > Can anyone point me to any docummentation on how the package files > for woody and other pool-based distros are generated? apt-get install apt-utils; man apt-ftparchive Cheers, aj -- Anthony Town

Re: Generating pool-based package.gz files

2001-09-14 Thread Anthony Towns
elopers can access it directly) Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``Freedom itself was attacked this morning by faceless cowards. And freedom will be defended.'' Condolences to all involved.

Re: Why isn't apt 0.5.4 moving to testing?

2001-09-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:36:28AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > We really (okay, you, Anthony :-)) really need to consider the idea > of allowing architecture slips in testing, if, there's been a package > that has been waiting more than (say) 10 days on a rebuild on fewer >

Re: problems with binary NMU and apt

2001-09-14 Thread Anthony Towns
ble. There're a bunch of packages like that. (ie, a Depends: otherpkg (= myver) line) Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``Freedom itself was attacked th

New update_excuses output

2001-09-14 Thread Anthony Towns
lculate ordering for things to be added to testing intelligently, are on the wishlist. Anyway, that info should make diagnosing why your package isn't getting into testing a bit easier, hopefully, maybe. Cheers, aj [0] http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html -- Anthony Towns

Re: New update_excuses output

2001-09-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 01:53:03PM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: > On Sat 15 Sep 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: > > As of the next dinstall/testing run (a few hours away yet) there'll be a > > new set of lines in the update_excuses output [0] (NB: it's now over a MB so > &

Re: Debian testing - uninstallable packages

2001-09-16 Thread Anthony Towns
tallable packages (which does take into account versions and conflicts, but ignores recommends and suggests) at http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG si

Re: libesd-alsa0

2001-09-19 Thread Anthony Towns
them are |'ed with something else, so it's not an issue. The unsatisifable deps lines are just hints to make working out problems easier. > Which is exactly the problem with libesd-alsa ? There isn't one. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://az

Re: why is gtk+extra out of date?

2001-09-21 Thread Anthony Towns
yself or Ryan Murray, either on -devel, by mail or on irc is the easiest way to go. Use the Linus model if you don't get a response in a day or two. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG s

Re: Tool to generate an override file from packages?

2001-09-23 Thread Anthony Towns
cally gets written or packages isn't going to get put in potato either. Alternatively, ftp-master.debian.org runs potato, but somehow manages to have an apt-utils.deb installed including apt-ftparchive. Sorry about the patronising tone, but I feel kind of silly seeing this have to be said on -devel

Re: Tool to generate an override file from packages?

2001-09-24 Thread Anthony Towns
35423542 49523 Seems a lot less than most packages. In any case, though, wanting new packages to be written and uploaded, and then expecting them somehow to suddenly work on a potato box without any backporting doesn't make any sense either. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

2001-09-25 Thread Anthony Towns
what I can see. Certainly looks blatantly non-free to me. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``Freedom itself was attacked this morning by faceless cowards.

Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

2001-09-25 Thread Anthony Towns
#x27;ve been "bug terrorism", but maybe not now. -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``Freedom itself was attacked this morning by faceless cowards. And freedom will be defended.'' Condolences to all involved.

Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

2001-09-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 01:39:38PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 25-Sep-01, 22:59 (CDT), Anthony Towns wrote: > > and filing, what, a dozen new bugs against ftp.debian.org every week is > > something other than harassment [0]? > How is it harrasment? How is it not? &q

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 06:23:58PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: > Lets not get the chiken/egg problem so screwed up we can't ever have > chicken _or_ eggs! Damn. I'm hungry now. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don&#x

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-23 Thread Anthony Towns
is possible. Should I upload it to contrib? If nothing's been created for it, why would you want to upload it to the distribution at all? The "Deb" in Debian does stand for "Deborah", not "Debating Society", right? Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PR

Re: An alarming trend (no it's not flaimbait.)

2001-12-26 Thread Anthony Towns
as Zoetekouw posted the results of a script in mid November that'd help clearing up packages that've been sitting in the archive unmaintained for ridiculously long periods, but it doesn't seem to be being used. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.h

Re: An alarming trend (no it's not flaimbait.) (fwd)

2001-12-26 Thread Anthony Towns
nd what you meant to say was `` "higher quality" than "average" '' or something. Cheers, a *twinge* j -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. The

Re: An alarming trend (no it's not flaimbait.) (fwd)

2001-12-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 12:26:50PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: > Anthony Towns writes: > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 12:07:57PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: > > > As was stated elsewhere, the best way you can make a meaningful > > > contribution is to file bugs t

Re: orphaned packages in DWN?

2001-12-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 07:07:54PM +, Adam Olsen wrote: > Anyway, I did some searching and found two interesting posts, although > not the one by Bas Zoetekouw that was mentioned earlier. http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2001/debian-qa-200111/msg00188.html Cheers, aj -- Anthony

Re: An alarming trend (no it's not flaimbait.) (fwd)

2001-12-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 09:36:13AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Anthony Towns writes: > > Oh god no. Please no. Inflating bug severeties just makes it harder to > > do releases; if there's a problem with normal bugs being ignored (and, > > IMO, there is), it need

Re: An alarming trend (no it's not flaimbait.) (fwd)

2001-12-26 Thread Anthony Towns
ge, IMO: ie, "if the more important bugs haven't gotten any attention for some time", then you can assume the package isn't being maintained well. If there are just lots of less important bugs that aren't getting attention, then we're either short on manpower, or n

Re: libpng transition

2002-01-04 Thread Anthony Towns
versions of a library, and having this not reflecting in the Depends: is broken. See apt's Provides: line and shlibs file, eg, for L=libapt-pkg, and M=libstdc++. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-04 Thread Anthony Towns
resql has a bunch of serious and grave bugs that've been open for over a month, that, afaict, no one's doing anything about, and is one of the things stopping the freeze from going anywhere. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I

Re: libpng transition

2002-01-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 10:32:22AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 04 Jan 2002, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:27:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > Another way is to bump the soname on libL at the time you bump the one > >

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-05 Thread Anthony Towns
eas about what might be slowing things down, but > I suspect that Anthony has a much clearer idea of what the problem is. > In fact, I just realized that I don't really even know what the plans, > goals, and checklist (if we have one) for this release are. We nominally gave up on tho

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 09:15:41PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 11:37:46PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > I agree completely. With our current testing setup this shouldn't be too > > > difficult to do. > > It's already pretty spl

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-06 Thread Anthony Towns
ss we're willing to just release a bunch of junk with known security problems that doesn't upgrade cleanly and whatever else. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred.

Re: [ccheney@cheney.cx: libqt2 libpng2 resolution]

2002-01-10 Thread Anthony Towns
eory the maintainer should notice this immediately, and not do an upload at all. Is there any reason for the maintainer not to notice, if s/he does any testing at all? It'd be nicer, though, if it failed to link at all, assuming it's never going to work. Is there any way to achieve th

Re: Release.gpg

2002-01-14 Thread Anthony Towns
om http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2002.asc and should be signed by both me and the 2001 key. Its key id is 1024D/722F1AED (and 4096g/D9A900D4), and the fingerprint is 8FD4 7FF1 AA93 72C3 7043 DC28 AA7D EB7B 722F 1AED. It expires mid January in 2003. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns &

Re: Will woody ever become stable?

2002-01-15 Thread Anthony Towns
dn't* be necessary; just getting rid of the RC bugs that everyone should already be feeling guilty about would get us right back on track; but it appears that it is. Cheers, aj [0] http://linux.conf.au/ amongst other things -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.

Re: ccache for the autobuilders?

2002-04-02 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 23:17, Ben Collins wrote: > > Looking at my testing PPC box with grep-available, we have only about > > 8GB total Installed-Size. > > glibc packages total installed size is only a few dozen megs. However, > the source builds takes up about 600megs. XFree86, about 1.6gigs. g

Re: ccache for the autobuilders?

2002-04-02 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
> > That's all of three 100GB IDE disks running in RAID 0. Four disks if for > > some reason you want redundancy on your cache. > > Surely you don't presume that a) All of our autobuilders have enough > bays for 3 IDE disks and b) Can take IDE at all (vore, the sparc buildd, > doesn't have any IDE

Re: ccache for the autobuilders?

2002-04-02 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 11:17, Russell Coker wrote: > So we firstly need to find a real slow arch which also supports 4 new large > IDE disks (remember that machines 3 years old tend not to have good support > for >32G drives). That's primarily a BIOS problem, right? Does it matter for Linux? >

Re: libsmpeg0 *will* break if not doing upgrade/dist-upgrade from potato->woody [Was: Re: libsmpeg0 shlibs is broken, fix it or we shalt lose whatever.]

2002-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
ight be a nuisance to rebuild. These downsides probably aren't worth worrying about. > aj, I assume you won't allow a solution that needs everything using > libsmpeg to be recompiled. Is this true? Yup. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Debbugs and ACK messages

2002-04-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think we need a better way to specify flags. Especially because now we've got to worry about which comes first (or does it matter)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: xfree86 unbuildable on ppc

2002-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
ders such an interface, and they're happy to have them break randomly or not work from userspace at all or anything. What we really should have is a nice low-level C library that encapsulates such things and lets anyone use it... Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: clanlib shlibs broken

2002-04-03 Thread Anthony Towns
oes have, though. Or did. It now has .so.2 versions of them instead. The package needs to be renamed when you change sonames. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred.

Re: Spamassassin config files in /usr/share

2002-04-06 Thread Anthony Towns
ssin > bug #188. It's not a configuration file, therefore it needn't be in /etc. Obviously it'd be better if it were a configuration file, but that's a wishlist bug. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak fo

Woody now more installable than potato

2002-04-06 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Looking at the testing and stable problems pages on master, I now notice that for each and every architecture in potato, there are less uninstallable packages in woody that in potato. All in all, nearly doubling the architecture count results in less than 100 more uninstallables in woody. Congrat

Re: Apache2 Debian Packages

2002-04-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:56:55AM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote: > Between Apache 2.0 and KDE 3 releasing, I don't think we need Anthony > to tell us that a Debian release is imminent :-P I heard something about a new release of Gnome coming out too. Gcc 3.1's also due soon. We

Re: Apache2 Debian Packages

2002-04-06 Thread Anthony Towns
ns of voices cried out, and ran apt-get." Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``BAM! Science triumphs again!'' -- http://www.a

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free =?iso-8859-15?q?software in?= main)

2002-04-09 Thread Anthony Towns
scribes Windows as the progenitor of the trend for GUIs, and adding some explanation about Apple and Xerox and suchlike? Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred.

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-09 Thread Anthony Towns
eful. Being able to cut out all the irrelevant bits of a document and distribute an abbreviated version you can store on your PDA, or being able to translate it, or being able to change it to match the changes in your program, or being able to correct it on factual errors, or being able to rip out

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free =?iso-8859-15?q?software in?= main)

2002-04-09 Thread Anthony Towns
ng, not to stop people from exercising purely intellectual freedoms, like rewriting documentation or using programs. And we have the non-free section for people who don't agree with that philosophy in a completely wholehearted manner (like the Bitkeeper people, eg). Cheers, aj -- Anthony Tow

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 02:36 , Jeff Licquia wrote: Except that most of the crypto technology you used to find on Italian and Dutch FTP servers was either code from the USA or (rather poorly) algorithms from the USA. Yes, that's because it was perfectly legal to print it out and mail it, but

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