Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-27 Thread Gard Spreemann
"M. Zhou" writes: > To be honest, in terms of volunteered reviewing work, waiting > for several months is not something new. In academia, it may > take several months to years to get a journal paper response. Sure, but (1) that situation isn't popular in academia either, (2) at least you can

Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-27 Thread Gard Spreemann
Paul Wise writes: > There are a lot of examples of busywork in Debian, such as documenting > licenses, packaging dependencies, removing non-free files that are only > in source packages, runtime selection of correct CPU instructions, > fixing build failures, porting reverse dependencies to newer

Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-27 Thread Gard Spreemann
Gard Spreemann writes: > Oh no, then we instead insist that related work stops Sorry, this was imprecise of me. We of course don't insist that related work stops. But I really fear that that is the consequence in a great many cases. -- Gard

Re: Porter roll call for Debian Bookworm

2022-08-27 Thread Wookey
On 2021-10-02 11:57 +0200, Graham Inggs wrote: > Hi > > We are doing a roll call for porters of all prospective release > architectures. If you are an active porter behind one of these > architectures [1] and intend to continue for the development cycle of > Debian Bookworm (est. release mid-2023

Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-27 Thread M. Zhou
On Sat, 2022-08-27 at 09:50 +0200, Gard Spreemann wrote: > > contributing work. In some sense, contributing to Debian becomes > mostly > about waiting. (Sure, there is something to be said about extremely > short, fragmented attention spans being unhealthy – but some > contributions are naturally

Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-27 Thread Vincent Bernat
On 2022-08-27 15:53, M. Zhou wrote: That's why I still hope ftp team to recruit more people. This is a very direct and constructive way to speed up everything. More volunteers = higher bandwidth. Recruiting more people doesn't seem to have a serious disadvantage. It does not seem to work. Eith

Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-27 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Fri 26 Aug 2022 at 11:58AM +01, Simon McVittie wrote: > More generally, I don't think it's always useful to talk about "the" > source or "the" preferred form for modification, as though there is only > one. I think it would be more appropriate to consider whether the form > in which som

Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-27 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Sat 27 Aug 2022 at 04:22PM +02, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > On 2022-08-27 15:53, M. Zhou wrote: > >> That's why I still hope ftp team to recruit more people. This is >> a very direct and constructive way to speed up everything. >> More volunteers = higher bandwidth. >> Recruiting more peo

Bug#969482: ITP: glab -- An open-source GitLab command line tool

2022-08-27 Thread Julian Dreykorn
Package: wnpp Followup-For: Bug #969482 Owner: Julian Dreykorn X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, dreykorn.jul...@gmail.com I appologize for the duplicated lines in my previos reply. It was really not my intention, just a copy-paste-mistake that happened accidentally from Vim in the

Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-27 Thread Gard Spreemann
"M. Zhou" writes: > On Sat, 2022-08-27 at 09:50 +0200, Gard Spreemann wrote: >> >> I humbly disagree. Even from my own point of view, I may well be very >> motivated to package something I use seriously all the time, >> seriously. But then I see its dependency chain of 10 unpackaged >> items, >>

Re: General resolution: non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx dixit: >it are available at: https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003 Hrm. Is there support for something like A but not enabled by default? That is, you have to actively select a nōn-default option in the boot menu so that the installer loads the non-free

Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-27 Thread Andreas Tille
Am Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 04:13:43PM -0400 schrieb M. Zhou: > If one's enthusiasm on working on some package is eventually > worn out after a break, then try to think of the following question: > > Is it really necessary to introduce XXX to Debian? May be I'm repeating myself but having packages

Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-27 Thread Andreas Tille
Am Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 09:53:40AM -0400 schrieb M. Zhou: > In my fuzzy memory, the last discussion on NEW queue improvement > involves the disadvantages by allowing SOVERSION bump to directly > pass the NEW queue. I'm not going to trace back, because I know > this will not be implemented unless so

Re: General resolution: non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Phil Morrell
On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:56:43AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx dixit: > > >it are available at: https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003 > > Is there support for something like A but not enabled by default? > That is, you have to actively select a nōn-d