Re: automatic NEW processing [was Re: Need help with Multi-Arch in systemd]

2021-07-20 Thread Michael Lustfield
On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:48:24 +0200 Philipp Kern wrote: > On 14.07.21 13:47, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 14.07.21 um 12:59 schrieb Simon McVittie: > I do recall that the FTP masters would've been generally open to have > such an auto-approver (but maybe I'm wrong), but that no-one stepped up >

Re: XFCE4 notes

2021-07-20 Thread Simon McVittie
On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 00:09:32 +0100, Wookey wrote: > I see that the reason is given in > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=955349 > 'uses unmaintained libunique'. > > Any further comments on what would be required to get this back? Was > libunique actually broken/a problem, or

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Guillem Jover
On Mon, 2021-07-19 at 15:10:42 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 19.07.21 um 03:36 schrieb Guillem Jover: > > What I've also said multiple times, is that > > merged-usr-via-moves-and-symlink-farms could have been implemented in > > a fully automated way, by debhelper, w/o requiring any maintainer sc

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Guillem Jover
On Mon, 2021-07-19 at 16:41:42 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > So what what is actually the roadmap after the bullseye release? What is the > way forward? Should I rather file bugs with patches against individual > packages > to move their files from /(sbin|bin|lib)/ to /usr/(sbin

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Guillem Jover
On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 11:31:37 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > Unfortunately, when the supporters of the merged-/usr-via-aliased-dirs > pushed their approach into the distribution, that meant that package > stopped being able to ship compatibility symlinks under «/», and those > needed to be "handled

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2021-07-20 Guillem Jover wrote: > On Mon, 2021-07-19 at 16:41:42 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: >> So what what is actually the roadmap after the bullseye release? >> What is the way forward? Should I rather file bugs with patches >> against individual packages to move their fil

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 13:41 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > > Hello, > Isn't this kind of crying over spilt milk? I also wish we never had > ended up with the buster/bullseye state where both unmerged and > merged-/usr-via-aliased-dirs are fully supported. However there is > now a huge number of m

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:47:04 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: >According to the dpkg developer and maintainer Guillem users can still >rescue their systems from merged-/usr-via-aliased-dirs with the aid of >dpkg-fsys-usrunmess(8), see >https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/FAQ#Q:_Does_dpkg_support_merg

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-20 3:30 p.m., Marc Haber wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:47:04 +0200, Svante Signell > wrote: >> According to the dpkg developer and maintainer Guillem users can still >> rescue their systems from merged-/usr-via-aliased-dirs with the aid of >> dpkg-fsys-usrunmess(8), see >> http

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 15:34 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-07-20 3:30 p.m., Marc Haber wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:47:04 +0200, Svante Signell > > wrote: > > > According to the dpkg developer and maintainer Guillem users can > > > still rescue their systems

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:15:33PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: [...] > Debian, the Universal Operating System was used some years ago! Svante, fine. You are unhappy with Debian since years, you're not using it anymore, you are not contributing, this is debian-devel@ not debian-rant@, so please ST

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 21:51 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:15:33PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > [...] > > Debian, the Universal Operating System was used some years ago! > > Svante, fine. You are unhappy with Debian since years, you're not > using it anymore, you are no

Re: automatic NEW processing [was Re: Need help with Multi-Arch in systemd]

2021-07-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16200 March 1977, Michael Lustfield wrote: I do recall that the FTP masters would've been generally open to have such an auto-approver (but maybe I'm wrong), but that no-one stepped up yet to code it up? A few of us came up with some proof of concept designs/models, but we ultimately dropp

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 12:09:52AM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > Hi Holger, I would have expected a reply like this from you. I do still > use Debian, some of my boxes are still Debian-based. Soon they will > probably be converted to Devuan though. I do still contribute to > Debian, mainly to Debi

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, > It is really stunning that the Debian project, including the TC > overrides the dpkg developer and maintainer Guillem, and still using > dpkg for package management. Maybe Debian should switch to some other > software, like rpm-based used by Fedora or even guix used by GNU?? Or > perhaps the

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-20 5:51 p.m., Holger Levsen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:15:33PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > [...] >> Debian, the Universal Operating System was used some years ago! > > Svante, fine. You are unhappy with Debian since years, you're not using it > anymore, you are not cont

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, > Hi Holger, I would have expected a reply like this from you. I do still > use Debian, some of my boxes are still Debian-based. Soon they will > probably be converted to Devuan though. I do still contribute to > Debian, mainly to Debian GNU/Hurd and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. As long as > these por

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Brian Thompson
On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 21:13 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Ended up with a 3 month useless discussion regarding if this would > give > a bad impression, that we need to use node for doing development. > Later on I was working on a plugin that treated huge amount of data. > So > I i

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-07-20 10:07 p.m., Brian Thompson wrote: > On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 21:13 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> Ended up with a 3 month useless discussion regarding if this would >> give >> a bad impression, that we need to use node for doing development. >> Later on I was wor

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 23:15:33 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: >It is really stunning that the Debian project, including the TC >overrides the dpkg developer and maintainer Guillem, and still using >dpkg for package management. Maybe Debian should switch to some other >software, like rpm-based used by