Hi Peter,
Quoting peter green (2013-10-27 01:11:24)
> Johannes Schauer wrote:
> > Until these two issues are fixed we will not be able to get an algorithmic
> > answer to the question of what constitutes the minimum required set of
> > packages.
> >
> There is also the complication of what I wi
Hello,
On Oct 26, 2013 7:15 AM, "Uoti Urpala" wrote:
> I am no longer willing to assume that Steve Langasek would act in good
> faith in evaluating init systems; he has posted false claims about
> systemd too many times for me to believe they would all be honest
> mistakes, and has posted what ha
* Simon McVittie:
> On 26/10/13 21:23, Florian Weimer wrote:
>>> "Session tracking" includes suspending/hibernating, because logind has
>>> a mechanism to let apps delay suspend, which is necessary for things
>>> like closing the inherent race condition in "lock the screensaver when
>>> we suspend
On 10/26/2013 09:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:02:00AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>>> I'm fed up with repeated attempts to force components on the rest of the
>>> system, but that's mostly a fault of Gnome's upstream
>>
>> There seems to be a trend emanating from package
Can this be taken off-list? I don't care either way, I'd still take his
points even if he wasn't.
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 10/26/2013 09:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:02:00AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> >>> I'm fed up with repeat
Excerpts from Jonathan Aquilina's message of 2013-10-25 23:36:22 -0700:
> I would like to help in some capacity. Would working in a chrooted
> environment or would one need a fully fledged os?
>
These days I have no standing machines of Debian. I do spin up cloud
instances often that I use to do
Package: wnpp
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Thomas Goirand (2013-10-27):
> If you don't mind that I ask: are you a GNOME developer?
That comes to mind:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Olav+Vitters+Gnome
https://lists.debian.org/20131024192452.ga29...@bkor.dhs.org
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On 2013-10-27, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> If you don't mind that I ask: are you a GNOME developer?
Olav is a gnome developer, yes.
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On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> Surely every maintainer of source packages involved in a Type 1 Self-Cycle
> knows about this issue. Because Type 2 Self-Cycles are non-obvious we could in
> the future (once build profiles are available) embed this information in the
> pt
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013, at 18:58, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > I believe the reliability (DOS) issues that DNSSEC imposes coupled with
>
> Please, not this again. If you say DNSSEC DOS issue, you must state all
> the other issues that DNS has.
>
Not really, the security issues are already catered f
On 10/27/2013 01:52 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> I still think that the Debian should be a technology leader.
> Conservative, but technology leader. And DNSSEC adoption would help the
> case.
>
> Also the DSA has already enabled DANE (DNSSEC validated TLS certs) on
> Debian's MTAs, the postfix 2.11 wi
Johannes Schauer wrote:
> Indeed, none of the Type 1 Self-Cycles are needed to bootstrap the core of
> Debian. Unfortunately though, most of the Type 2 Self-Cycles are. You will
find
> many surprising (at least to me) examples in the section of "Type 2
> Self-Cycles" under the above link.
On the
Hi Daniel,
Quoting Daniel Schepler (2013-10-27 16:06:43)
> Johannes Schauer wrote:
> > Indeed, none of the Type 1 Self-Cycles are needed to bootstrap the core of
> > Debian. Unfortunately though, most of the Type 2 Self-Cycles are. You will
> find
> > many surprising (at least to me) examples in
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 08:57:54PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Oct 26, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > I'd find it very nice if we had, by default, DNSSEC resolving in Debian,
> > at least in the "default" configuration (whatever that means). By this,
> I agree with the general principle, but I do n
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On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 22:14 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Oct 26, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> > This really pinpoints the whole problem: What happened to the Unix
> > philosophy, with freedom of choice?
> We killed it for good in 2008:
> http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/
i do have a testing vps i can setup for you an account on to do tetsting
etc of mysql and maria db if it helps. I will also want to use it for my
own testing purposes along side.
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
> Excerpts from Jonathan Aquilina's message of 2013-10-25 23:36:
Am 27.10.2013 16:06, schrieb Daniel Schepler:
> Johannes Schauer wrote:
>> Indeed, none of the Type 1 Self-Cycles are needed to bootstrap the core of
>> Debian. Unfortunately though, most of the Type 2 Self-Cycles are. You will
> find
>> many surprising (at least to me) examples in the section of
On 10/24/2013 12:30 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 20:16, Octavio Alvarez wrote:
>> On 22/10/13 09:18, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote:
>>> I would suggest: caching-name-server
>>
>> *-dns-server would be better, as it is specific enough to avoid name
>> collision in the future.
>
Hi, I am trying to build the alpha release of AST ksh on debian testing
but the compilation fails because it cannot find header files under
/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys.
Actually, if I create the symlink /usr/include/sys ->
/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys the compilation succeeds.
I have t
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 02:12:11AM +0300, Jukka Ruohonen wrote:
> Indeed. And given the train wreck of contemporary Gnome, I fully welcome the
> discussion on alternative default desktops. Some people are keen to rule out
> the stakeholder issues, but a fact on the so-called agenda remains.
I sugg
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 05:37:50PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> I don't mean to be rude but please read up on systemd and see the pros
> of cons such as on LWN.net comments or any distro mailing list as many
> are tired of systemd discussion and this wide ranging and much of the
> stolen/borrowed
Hi Giovanni,
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 07:36:15PM +0100, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote:
> Hi, I am trying to build the alpha release of AST ksh on debian testing
> but the compilation fails because it cannot find header files under
> /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys.
> Actually, if I create the symlink
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 02:23:42PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Thanks, I hadn't seen that team mentioned before anywhere. It looks
> like the right place for this work to happen. Unfortunately it seems
> rather dormant, as the packages they do have in place date back to
> Ubuntu 12.04 (i.e., b
]] Steve Langasek
> In the short term, this could be a committment from the systemd
> maintainers to hold the package at version 204 until the dust settles
> around cgroup manager interfaces[1].
With some time limit (3 months? 6 months?) I think I'd be ok with this.
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UNIX is
]] Steve Langasek
> Formally, it only requires that the dbus services be available, which is
> given by installing the systemd package, not by running it as init.
That's actually due to a missing feature in the dbus daemon: it should
either have a way to key off init/file system features (so I c
On 28 October 2013 07:52, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > - /lib/udev/rules.d/99-systemd.rules - udev rules that will be active on
> >any system with /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd present (because of logind,
> this
> >directory is not a good proxy for whether pid1 == systemd).
>
> That's a bug that
So my current understanding:
* Gnome use to depend on ConsoleKit.
* ConsoleKit is no longer maintained, and no one is interested in
maintaining it.
* As a result, Gnome switched to using the implementation from systemd
instead, as it has needed features and is actively being maintained.
* Some
On 10/27/2013 06:41 PM, Brian May wrote:
So my current understanding:
* Gnome use to depend on ConsoleKit.
* ConsoleKit is no longer maintained, and no one is interested in
maintaining it.
* As a result, Gnome switched to using the implementation from
systemd instead, as it has needed feature
> > * Gnome is said to work fine even on platforms that don't have
> > systemd installed.
> My understanding from what I've read is that it "works fine" except in
> that the features which the ConsoleKit-or-logind dependency provides
> aren't available. That's derived from indirect statements fro
Clint Byrum writes:
> I am asking you, the Debian developers, to step up and help. I am
> basically unable to contribute more than an hour a month now. There is a
> new round of secret CVE bugs to fix, and some old bugs that need to be
> handled. I think my October hour is about to be available, s
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Joey Hess wrote:
> I do wish that some of the .. energy .. seen in these threads could be
> used for something more interesting. For example, find a way to detect
> touch screen systems, on which xfce is *not* pleasant, and don't install
> a desktop task there, but
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Joey Hess wrote:
> I also wonder why unity is not being packaged in Debian..
Based on the logs for #609278 it appears there is a lot of interest
and some people working on packaging it but it sounds like it is hard
to build and requires patches in external compone
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