Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

On Jo, 29 nov 12, 11:35:44, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > > What are the estimates? And wouldn't it be better to use some > kind of a specialized search engine if searching is deemed > “crucial”? I guess that it may render the difference between > the formats somewhat irrelevant.

Bug#694698: ITP: ruby-libwebsocket -- Universal Ruby library to handle WebSocket protocol

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vipin Nair * Package name: ruby-libwebsocket Version : 0.1.7.1 Upstream Author : Bernard Potocki * URL : https://github.com/imanel/libwebsocket * License : MIT/X Programming Lang: Ruby Description : Universal Rub

Bug#694709: ITP: ruby-weblibsocket -- Universal Ruby library to handle WebSocket protocol

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vipin Nair * Package name: ruby-weblibsocket Version : 0.7.1-1 Upstream Author : Bernard Potocki * URL : http://github.com/imanel/libwebsocket * License : MIT/X Programming Lang: Ruby Description : Universal Ruby

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 08:23 +0100, Paul Gevers wrote: > Icedove 10.0.10 (Wheezy, no custom configuration on that front) here. Thunderbird is prone to the issue... and there are only few cases where it doesn't occur... Have a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=808450 especially my

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

On 2012-11-29 01:50:55 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > It's like a serious flaw would have been found in gzip and people would > say... oh don't complain... there's already the much better/newer bzip2 > or xz. There's a major difference. mbox is buggy by design. Even though mboxrd attempt

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

On 2012-11-29 01:28:37 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > But it also has disadvantages to the mbox formats which may be crucial > for some people: > - wasting a lot of storage, which can be significant even if you use > small file systems block sizes... This is a problem with the file syste

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 04:03:21PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:52:58PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 11/25/2012 01:30 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > Why? Why would you want to rip such low-level stuff apart? > > > > Well, isn't it the oppo

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

On 2012-11-29 01:39:57 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 16:01 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Even users of mboxo shouldn't even have a problem because in your > > message the F of the "From " line is encoded in quoted-printable: > > > > | =46rom blahhityblah Fri Ju

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 06:49:45PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:08:31AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > Now, I may add, I have no will to discuss it with you > > anyway, after reading you impose on my your > > partitioning scheme, and would like me to use my

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 08:02:20PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:12:23AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > P.S: By the way, there's still an ongoing m68k porting effort. Please > > respect > > this work as well. > > I've been a vivid Amiga user since 1991* and

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 15:20 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2012-11-29 01:28:37 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > > But it also has disadvantages to the mbox formats which may be crucial > > for some people: > > - wasting a lot of storage, which can be significant even if you use > > smal

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:30:47PM +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > Do these tools (mairix, notmuch, etc.) also help with real full text > search? I just though they'd index some stuff. I can't speak for mairix, etc., but notmuch can handle full text search. To quote from notmuch-search-te

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:21:02PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Well, systemd and udev are developed by the same developers. Both > > daemons interact very closely and integration of the sources was the > > natural consequence. > > udev and pulseaudio are developed by the same developers. Bot

Re: the right bug severity in case of mbox formats

On 2012-11-29 01:49:55 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 22:06 +, Darren Salt wrote: > > It would make sense to have that enabled by default, and to ensure > > that all software in Debian which produces MIME quoted-printable > > does this, or at least can do this. >

Bug#694724: ITP: libb64 -- base64 encoding/decoding library

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jakub Wilk * Package name: libb64 Version : 1.2 Upstream Author : Chris Venter * URL : http://libb64.sourceforge.net/ * License : none (the code has been placed in the public domain) Programming Lang: C, C++ Descrip

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:00:14PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2012-11-26 07:27:08 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > > Ever heard of > > grep, sed, awk, > > all these nice things that make your life happy. > > These tools are broken when dealing with multibyte characters. No they'

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems (was: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev)

+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2012-11-24 18:30 +0100]: > > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 06:03:02PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 05:15:25PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > If both Ubuntu and Gentoo would just go with the rest of the community > > > and accept

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

Le jeudi 29 novembre 2012 à 15:24 +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > Now if someone wants to fork the particular bits of upstream software so > making use of a separate /usr is still possible, even if you think it's > totally useless, are you going to stop them. Wouter, I think higher of you than

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

On 2012-11-29 15:30:47 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 15:20 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Now, I would say that in general, the wasted space is small compared > > to large attachments. And if you have only text and care about disk > > space, you should consider a

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:20:34PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2012-11-29 01:28:37 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > > But it also has disadvantages to the mbox formats which may be crucial > > for some people: > > - wasting a lot of storage, which can be significant even if you use >

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On 2012-11-29 15:46:35 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:00:14PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2012-11-26 07:27:08 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > > > Ever heard of > > > grep, sed, awk, > > > all these nice things that make your life happy. > > > > These t

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

On 2012-11-29 06:43:06 +, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 16:06 -0500, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > > Darren Salt writes: > > > (Oops. Failed first time.) > > > > > > Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other > > > little wrinkle which I already knew but

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:16:25PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > *cough* btrfs -ocompress=lzo. Small files are packed inline in metadata > blocks, and you get compression you wanted. It's nice to see more features from '93 Windows NT implemented for Linux at last. -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

On 2012-11-29 16:16:25 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > *cough* btrfs -ocompress=lzo. Small files are packed inline in metadata > blocks, and you get compression you wanted. Using lzo is faster than no > compression for most loads, adding negligible cost for incompressible data > (especially if not

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > The default .subversion/config file is a piece of documentation, not a > > configuration file. I agree that there's far too much noise in there. > > However, that's not a flaw of the format, it's a flaw of the subversion > > defau

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On 2012-11-29 21:33:37 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > The default .subversion/config file is a piece of documentation, not a > > > configuration file. I agree that there's far too much noise in there. > > > However, that's n

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems |Subject: Re: Really, about udev

Dear Adrian On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:40:41PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > Again, I am constantly asking here what these reasons might be and yet > people always come with strawman arguments. I mean, seriously we had > the discussion that systemd is a bad design because it uses th

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > And interfaces in various programming languages? http://docs.python.org/2/library/configparser.html http://search.cpan.org/~shlomif/Config-IniFiles-2.78/lib/Config/IniFiles.pm https://rubygems.org/gems/inifile http://ini4j.sourceforge.ne

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:32:33PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2012-11-29 16:16:25 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > *cough* btrfs -ocompress=lzo. Small files are packed inline in metadata > > blocks, and you get compression you wanted. Using lzo is faster than no > > compression for most lo

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On 11/29/2012 10:58 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > There are valid arguments for forking udev, but /usr support is not one > of them; we will just move /usr mounting to the initrd if it cannot be > mounted later. On the Debian side of things, you are probably right, since using an initrd is ok in (n

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

Kelly Clowers, 2012-11-29 08:37:19 -0800 : [...] >> And command-line tools? > An editor with syntax highlighting? > Other than that, I don't know of any, but do you really need it with > ini? For a specific purpose, you could probably whip something up > pretty fast with one of the libraries...

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2012-11-29 15:46:35 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > But it will in a UTF8 locale, > > Unfortunately the C locale is the only really portable one. Debian's glibc has C.UTF-8 always available these days. > > or in an ISO-8859

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems |Subject: Re: Really, about udev

Hi Harald, On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:58:35PM +0100, Harald Jenny wrote: > I have tried systemd but as it does not support the Debian extensions to > cryptsetup (namely the crypttab keyscript parameter) it is not a > valuable alternative for me - sysvinit and upstart btw do support them, > I did n

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:55:13AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > However, you are running Gentoo and rebuild your kernel, why would > you bother with such thing as kernel modules and initrd? The thing is, > many (most? all?) Gentoo user, as far as I understand (I'm not a > Gentoo user), do not use

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012/11/29 Wouter Verhelst : > glibc and the kernel is developed by the same group of companies. Both > interact very closely and integration of the sources was the natural > consequence. Please, *DON"T* :-) I've tired of this crap on illumos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@l

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Nov 29, 2012, at 03:40 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >Plus, you have to sign a contributor's agreement with Canonical which leaves >a bad taste in my mouth. That shouldn't be the case with true free software, >should it? In an ideal world maybe it shouldn't, but in truth it is for both

Re: Really, ...

* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [121129 18:12]: > This is actually a true valid point which I personally would accept as > an argument against systemd. Without looking into the details, this > seems to be something that can be fixed by a new upload, doesn't it? Almost any actual specific problem can

procenv and buildd environments

The procenv utility [1], which provides information on the environment it runs in, is now available in Debian Sid [2] and Ubuntu Raring [3]. As part of its package build, 'make check' gets run which does the following: (1) Dumps information on the C pre-processor, compiler and linker. (2) Runs pr

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On 11/30/2012 01:18 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:55:13AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> However, you are running Gentoo and rebuild your kernel, why would >> you bother with such thing as kernel modules and initrd? The thing is, >> many (most? all?) Gentoo user, as far as I

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:28:40PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?code=PC68KCF > > the most recent processor you can find there was released in January > 2012. Yeah, someone else posted this information already. How much are these instructio

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 03:40:47AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > We can ignore what happens to other downstreams of udev, > however I don't think that's a good idea to do so. Why bother other downstreams if they don't complain? I find it rather intrusive to post on the lists of other downstreams,

Re: Really, ...

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 08:22:41PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > I think noone claims that systemd would not be the superior design > in a world where there is bug-free, perfect software prepared to handle > every possible situation it will be thrown into. Yes, but this is valid for any other s

Re: Really, ...

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: > Yes, I do accept vocals against systemd, but only if these are actually > valid arguments. Because I want software development to be driven on > technical merits and not on sympathies against or for certain people > neither the stance to reject any modern devel

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

Vincent Lefevre writes: > It is more verbose, but I find it as readable (if you have characters > that normally need to be escaped, you can still use CDATA sections, > which is a way to keep the readability). So to keep everyone equally happy, we need: Structure _and_ readability. -- Stig

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 09:25:50PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > > It is more verbose, but I find it as readable (if you have characters > > that normally need to be escaped, you can still use CDATA sections, > > which is a way to keep the readability). > > S

Re: Really, ...

* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [121129 21:14]: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 08:22:41PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > As our world has not > > yet seen bug-free software handling every single situation the authors > > did not think about properly, the expectation of what happens if one > > runs into

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 09:25:50PM +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > > It is more verbose, but I find it as readable (if you have characters > > that normally need to be escaped, you can still use CDATA sections, > > which is a way to keep the readability). > > S

Re: debian-devel-digest Digest V2012 #1259

Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: debian-devel-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org To: Subject: debian-devel-digest Digest V2012 #1259 Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 4:47 AM 2012/11/29 Wouter Verhelst : > glibc and the kernel is developed by the same group of companies. Both > interact ve

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

❦ 29 novembre 2012 17:58 CET, Roland Mas  : >>> And command-line tools? >> An editor with syntax highlighting? >> Other than that, I don't know of any, but do you really need it with >> ini? For a specific purpose, you could probably whip something up >> pretty fast with one of the libraries... >

Re: Really, ...

Russ Allbery wrote: > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: > > > Yes, I do accept vocals against systemd, but only if these are actually > > valid arguments. Because I want software development to be driven on > > technical merits and not on sympathies against or for certain people > > neither the s

Re: Really, ...

Uoti Urpala writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> Free software is a social activity. The past history of qmail should >> be informative here (or, for that matter, both gcc and glibc, which had >> to go through disruptive forks to sort out long-term issues). One of >> the determiners of the long-ter

Re: Really, ...

Hello! Uoti Urpala has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:00: [...] >I think there's already enough evidence to show that systemd is clearly >the best choice. How much more would you expect to have before it would >not be "premature" any more? I should thank you all, John Paul Adri

Re: Really, ...

"Andrej N. Gritsenko" writes: > Uoti Urpala has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:00: > [...] >> I think there's already enough evidence to show that systemd is clearly >> the best choice. How much more would you expect to have before it would >> not be "premature" any more? > I shou

Re: Really, ...

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:34:08PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > No one is expecting you to help, so your statement that you don't think > this activity is useful is just noise. One of the features of free > software is that there is no need to concern onself with the (presumably > billions) of peo

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:40:41PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:21:02PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Well, systemd and udev are developed by the same developers. Both > > > daemons interact very closely and integration of the sources was the > > > natu

Re: Really, ...

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:43:48PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > The people who repeatedly advocate systemd on debian-devel are not > representative of the whole development community. I suspect most of them > aren't even *part* of the systemd development community. No. But I am using systemd bot

Re: Really, ...

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:34:08PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> At this point, the single most annoying thing about systemd is the >> people who are advocating it on debian-devel at every opportunity and >> seem incapable of shutting up about it for more than

Re: Really, ...

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:04:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:34:08PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > >> At this point, the single most annoying thing about systemd is the > >> people who are advocating it on debian-devel at every

Re: Really, ...

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:04:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> This is something that you're all (collectively) enabling via your >> behavior of constantly repeating the same arguments. Someone has to >> stop. Preferrably everyone at once. > Why should my

Re: Really, ...

Hello! John Paul Adrian Glaubitz has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:04: >Absolutely true. And this is actually why I don't understand so many >people get so emotional when it comes to software like systemd or >Pulse-Audio. Well, without any emotions. In last 2 years I've installed

Work-needing packages report for Nov 30, 2012

The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 497 (new: 15) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 138 (new: 0) Total number of packages reques

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:51:12PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:40:41PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:21:02PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > > Well, systemd and udev are developed by the same developers. Both > > > > daemons in

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On 2012-11-29 18:08:05 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2012-11-29 15:46:35 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > But it will in a UTF8 locale, > > > > Unfortunately the C locale is the only really portable one. > > Debian's glibc

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On 2012-11-29 21:25:50 +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > So to keep everyone equally happy, we need: > > > > > > Structure _and_ readability. No, you don't have the structure from the XML point of view. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: 100% accessible validated (X)HT

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

On 2012-11-29 08:37:19 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > And interfaces in various programming languages? > > http://search.cpan.org/~shlomif/Config-IniFiles-2.78/lib/Config/IniFiles.pm At least for Perl, I can't see anything related to val

Re: Really, ...

Russ Allbery wrote: > Uoti Urpala writes: > > Russ Allbery wrote: > >> Free software is a social activity. The past history of qmail should > >> be informative here (or, for that matter, both gcc and glibc, which had > >> to go through disruptive forks to sort out long-term issues). One of > >>

Re: Really, ...

Uoti Urpala writes: > Would you expect anyone who thinks such activity is not useful to help > with it? This would seem to lead to the absurd conclusion that > expressing a negative view/evaluation of anything would always be just > noise, regardless of technical arguments or anything else. If t

Re: Really, ...

Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:04: > >Absolutely true. And this is actually why I don't understand so many > >people get so emotional when it comes to software like systemd or > >Pulse-Audio. > > Well, without any emotions. In l

Re: Really, ...

On 30/11/2012 10:16, Uoti Urpala wrote: > Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: >> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:04: >>> Absolutely true. And this is actually why I don't understand so many >>> people get so emotional when it comes to software like systemd or >>> Pulse-Au

Re: Really, ...

Russ Allbery wrote: > Uoti Urpala writes: > > > Would you expect anyone who thinks such activity is not useful to help > > with it? This would seem to lead to the absurd conclusion that > > expressing a negative view/evaluation of anything would always be just > > noise, regardless of technical a

Re: Really, ...

Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On 30/11/2012 10:16, Uoti Urpala wrote: > > However, current PulseAudio is still quite buggy. But I wouldn't place > Is it, really? I haven't noticed any major issues with Pulseaudio in the past > couple of years running Ubuntu. That and sound has worked out of the box with

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 05:52:06PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > Outside of dpkg, sqlite in non-WAL mode, other databases and virtualbox/ > qemu, btrfs is pretty fast. That may be true, but it glosses over how awful performance is on those workloads on btrfs. A single Berkeley DB transaction can