Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-12 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:22:03AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Hi, > > I haven't followed if they're actually doing any work. > > I've been on the mailing list, and so far it's mostly been crickets. The > person who was driving the effort has been busy with other LSB work. Well there was a heal

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-12 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 11/08/12 07:12, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 08/11/2012 05:53 AM, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: >> Declaring "one area -- one chosen tool" is declaring the monopoly in the >> area. As with other monopolies, this often leads to "vendor" lock-in, >> stagnation, stopping developing the standards. Have s

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 12, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > "Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case you > haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we can drop > that support entirely" - Lennart Poettering (lists.freedesktop.org) If this will become true, I am s

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 09:01:38PM +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > On 11/08/12 07:12, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 08/11/2012 05:53 AM, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: > >> Declaring "one area -- one chosen tool" is declaring the monopoly in the > >> area. As with other monopolies, this often

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Roger Leigh writes: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 09:01:38PM +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: >> "Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case you >> haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we can drop >> that support entirely" - Lennart Poettering

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 12, Roger Leigh wrote: > Not good. Time to look a bit more seriously at mdev then? Waste of time, mdev lacks critical features like modules autoloading so it is laughable to argue that it is a credible udev replacement for any use case except (some) embedded systems. If the time will c

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/13/2012 04:50 AM, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Waste of time, mdev lacks critical features like modules autoloading so > it is laughable to argue that it is a credible udev replacement for > any use case except (some) embedded systems. > > If the time will come the interested parties will fork ude