Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:24:42PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Here is the URL of the poll: >http://doodle.com/2bp8rrh3i35sr4s7 Heya, thanks for the poll. Nevertheless, I think I got a bit lost in the discussion. Following it, I had the impression that there was a quasi-agreement on Markdow

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-21 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette writes: > If it’s just your decision, why are you bitching on this list? That's a good question. It was fun for a while. But I think the spectators are getting a bit bored. I'll stop now. Thanks for your answers. Believe it or not, but I've learned a lot about hal from this

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Nevertheless, I think I got a bit lost in the discussion. Following it, I had the impression that there was a quasi-agreement on Markdown. Hence, I'm wondering what is the exact purpose of your poll. With Markdown, you have alternative markers for d

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Andreas Tille wrote: > I'm afraid that this leaves to much space for broken input as the > airport-utils example in the end of [1] shows. Manoj tried to prove > that markdown works perfectly - but it does not because the > indentantion of the original input is just wrong. I wan

dpkg-buildpackage

2009-04-21 Thread cassiel
Hi you all, don't know if this could be regarded as off topic, however it involves debian package building system. I am trying to build gdal libraries with ECW support ( http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/ECW) because this compression format is not enabled in the standard package. I downloaded ECW

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Vincent Danjean
Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Andreas Tille wrote: >> Moreover I see no reason to bind anybody to a certain library like >> markdown. > > It's perfectly ok to punt the specification of the format to an > external library, at least initially. If enough people don't want to > use the m

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2009-04-21 kello 10:37 +0200, Vincent Danjean kirjoitti: > As shown before in the other thread, markdown does not work with > the current long description : it needs pre-processing to add some > blank lines before each list. That's true. Because the Packages and debian/control files are in p

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:37:00AM +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote: > As shown before in the other thread, markdown does not work with > the current long description : it needs pre-processing to add some > blank lines before each list. I've the impression that you didn't read my post, I might be wr

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2009-04-21 kello 12:00 +0200, Andreas Tille kirjoitti: > In principle this is fine as well. That's why my initial mail[1] > said "This suggestion is far from complete and should be enhanced." > If there is a need to relax my strictly German habit to trimm > everything very tidy - people should

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: >> So long as we have an implementation which works for the vast >> majority of cases we can file bugs to make it work for the few >> cases where it doesn't. (Or the output can just be slightly broken >> in those

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: There's no point to defining rules without a working implementation, because we don't know what the rules should be. Once there is a working implementation that works for a reasonable majority of the descriptions, we can define rules based on the impleme

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: So long as we have an implementation which works for the vast majority of cases we can file bugs to make it work for the few cases where it doesn't. (Or the output can just be slightly broken in those cases; it's not like that's a huge problem.) IMHO t

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Lars Wirzenius wrote: "Properly" here should mean "anything that the markdown language says is OK". The markdown language is remarkably relaxed about indentation. It can handle it fine if one list is indented by two space, and other by three. There seems to be no need for De

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 05:55:20PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > Is there anyone other than yourself who is actually unhappy > about markdown/ReST? Hi all, hi Andreas, In the end, I do not think that it is a good idea to do typesetting in long descriptions. In the packages I mai

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-21 Thread Ben Finney
Charles Plessy writes: > In the end, I do not think that it is a good idea to do typesetting in > long descriptions. In the packages I maintain, I will remove itemized > and ordered lists if there are. This will solve Andreases problem. What will you replace them with? They are a natural convent

Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Charles Plessy Dear all, I have packaged a new CPAN module, MappedQueryDB, that will be used by another software that I intend to package, EdgeExpressDB (more info in its ITP, that I will post soon). I will maintain the source package in the pkg-perl Alio

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 01:08:24PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > Very well: your tendency towards strict consistency needs to be > relaxed. :) > > Thus as far as I can see there is a rough consensus and the following > should happen: That's my reading as well. (Adding back -policy to the recipie

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2009-04-21 kello 11:27 +0200, Andreas Tille kirjoitti: > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > > Anticipating a potential objection: nested lists do work without > > needing "blank" lines to separate nesting levels; I've just tried that > > out. > > ... provided that lists are fo

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Anticipating a potential objection: nested lists do work without needing "blank" lines to separate nesting levels; I've just tried that out. ... provided that lists are formated properly in the first place (keyword: broken spacings). That's why I

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Dienstag, 21. April 2009, Andreas Tille wrote: > There is no point in implementing better markup for the Blends pages > if I know from the beginning that I will end up with broken pages > for an undetermined time. Perfect is the enemy of good. regards, Holger signature.asc Desc

Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Adeodato Simó
+ Charles Plessy (Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:49:27 +0900): > Files: debian/* > Copyright: 2009, Charles Plessy > License: PD > Please treat this packaging work as if it were in public domain. Is such a wording actually appropriate for this, “as if”? -- - Are you sure we're good? - Always. --

Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Charles Plessy (21/04/2009): > Source: libmqdb-perl > Section: perl > Priority: optional > Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7) > Build-Depends-Indep: libdbd-mysql-perl (>= 3.0005), > libdbd-sqlite3-perl (>= 1.14), libdbi-perl (>= 1.51), perl (>= 5.6.0-12)

Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 04:07:44PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois a écrit : > Charles Plessy (21/04/2009): > > Source: libmqdb-perl > > Section: perl > > Priority: optional > > Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7) > > Build-Depends-Indep: libdbd-mysql-perl (>= 3.0005), > > libdbd-sqlite3-perl (>= 1.14), libd

Bug#525019: ITP: libspreadsheet-ruby -- Ruby library for manipulating .xls spreadsheets

2009-04-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gunnar Wolf * Package name: libspreadsheet-ruby Version : 0.6.3.1 Upstream Author : Hannes Wyss * URL : http://spreadsheet.rubyforge.org/ * License : GPL-3 Programming Lang: Ruby Description : Ruby library for ma

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-21 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Michael Biebl wrote: Roger Leigh wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 05:52:41PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Roger Leigh wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 03:55:15PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: hal does not poll removable disks, it does though poll cd-rom drives for new media and afaik there is no wa

Bug#525026: ITP: ruby-ole -- Ruby library for read/write access for OLE compound documents

2009-04-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gunnar Wolf * Package name: ruby-ole Version : 1.2.8.2 Upstream Author : aquasync (pending: Get his actual name!) * URL : http://code.google.com/p/ruby-ole/ * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: Ruby Description : R

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-21 Thread Michael Biebl
Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > Michael Biebl wrote: >> Roger Leigh wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 05:52:41PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Roger Leigh wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 03:55:15PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: >> hal does not poll removable disks, it does though poll

Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Charles Plessy (21/04/2009): > > > libdbd-sqlite3-perl (>= 1.14), libdbi-perl (>= 1.51), perl (>= 5.6.0-12) > > ^^ > > WTH? > > aqwa『~』$ zgrep -A1 -B1 '5.6.0-12' /usr/share/doc/dh-make-perl/changelog.gz > * when module

Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:22:39 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > > > libdbd-sqlite3-perl (>= 1.14), libdbi-perl (>= 1.51), perl (>= > > > > 5.6.0-12) > > > > > > ^^ > > > WTH? > > aqwa『~』$ zgrep -A1 -B1 '5.6.0-12' /usr/sha

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Vincent Danjean
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:37:00AM +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote: >> As shown before in the other thread, markdown does not work with >> the current long description : it needs pre-processing to add some >> blank lines before each list. > > I've the impression that you

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:36:14PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > ti, 2009-04-21 kello 11:27 +0200, Andreas Tille kirjoitti: > > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > > > > Anticipating a potential objection: nested lists do work without > > > needing "blank" lines to separate nesting

Re: dpkg-buildpackage

2009-04-21 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:18:59AM +0200, cassiel wrote: > Hi you all, > > don't know if this could be regarded as off topic, however it involves > debian package building system. > > I am trying to build gdal libraries with ECW support ( > http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/ECW) because this compre

Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 06:22:39PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois a écrit : > Charles Plessy (21/04/2009): > > > > libdbd-sqlite3-perl (>= 1.14), libdbi-perl (>= 1.51), perl (>= > > > > 5.6.0-12) > > > > > > ^^ > > > WTH? > > >

Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 03:27:51PM +0200, Adeodato Simó a écrit : > + Charles Plessy (Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:49:27 +0900): > > > Files: debian/* > > Copyright: 2009, Charles Plessy > > License: PD > > Please treat this packaging work as if it were in public domain. > > Is such a wording actually a

Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy writes: > I thought so, since anyway in many countries one can not abandon his > rights and put his work under the public domain. The text that was recommended by the IETF lawyers was: In addition, the authors (on behalf of themselves and their employers) hereby relinqu

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 06:13:47PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > powertop encourages to disable polling, so it is a big point. > I agree with you in general, but I doubt polling every 2 or 16 seconds will > make > any significant difference power consumption wise. If it requires the drive to b

Bug#525093: ITP: libzoom-ruby -- Ruby binding to the Z39.50 Object-Orientation Model

2009-04-21 Thread Ryan Niebur
Package: wnpp Owner: Ryan Niebur Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: libzoom-ruby Version : 0.4.1 Upstream Author : Laurent Sansonetti * URL : http://ruby-zoom.rubyforge.org/ * License : LGPL-2.1 Programming Lang: R

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data (Was: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-21 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Michael Banck wrote: I for one like visual consistency even when reading package descriptions via apt-cache etc. It must be a boring German habit - I always felt this way myself. I started some action when I noticed that my feeling turned out to have technical advantages

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-21 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Michael Biebl wrote: > Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: >> Michael Biebl wrote: >>> Roger Leigh wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 05:52:41PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Roger Leigh wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 03:55:15PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: >>> hal does not poll remo