Re: Bash /dev/tcp and /dev/udp

On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 09:42:50AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > What's the real problem with /dev/{tcp|udp}? My issue with it is having phantom files that only exist in one shell on the system, could clash with real files (although that is more or less totally unlikely). I think that having the she

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Re: Bash /dev/tcp and /dev/udp

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/24/06 06:06, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 09:42:50AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> What's the real problem with /dev/{tcp|udp}? > > My issue with it is having phantom files that only exist in > one shell on the system, could clash

Elive requires donation to download

Elive , based on Debian, requires a donation, however small, to allow downloading. I wonder if this legally sound. Ottavio Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about th

Re: Elive requires donation to download

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/24/06 08:04, Ottavio Caruso wrote: > Elive , based on Debian, > requires a donation, however small, to allow downloading. I wonder if > this legally sound. Sure. That page links to http://www.gnu.org/

Re: Elive requires donation to download

Il giorno ven, 24/11/2006 alle 09.09 -0600, Ron Johnson ha scritto: > On 11/24/06 08:04, Ottavio Caruso wrote: > > Elive , based on Debian, > > requires a donation, however small, to allow downloading. I wonder if > > this legally sound. And if you don'

Re: Elive requires donation to download

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:04:13 -0800 (PST) Ottavio Caruso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Elive , based on Debian, > requires a donation, however small, to allow downloading. I wonder if > this legally sound. The DFSG explicitly specifies that licenses of ou

Re: Elive requires donation to download

> Elive , based on Debian, > requires a donation, however small, to allow downloading. I wonder if > this legally sound. > > Ottavio >From the page you referred to above: "If you don't care about the future of Elive, and you really think its possibl

Re: Elive requires donation to download

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Re: Question about "Depends: bash"

Am 2006-11-21 11:06:23, schrieb Marco d'Itri: > On Nov 20, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Debian Users! - I have read it even on THIS list, > > that some peoples remove it since it is to huge. > People are stupid. Next. N.C. except :-) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Mi

Re: Question about "Depends: bash"

Am 2006-11-22 01:15:59, schrieb Jari Aalto: > The memory footprint[1] of bash is bothering in old PC's, so there are But what do you mean with an OLD PC? A 486? Such computers should run busybox anyway. For example my IBM TP570 (PII/366MHz/192MB) is happy with /bin/bash and fast enough. > rea

Re: Question about "Depends: bash"

Hello David and *, Am 2006-11-22 20:06:29, schrieb David Weinehall: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 07:31:37PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > [snip] > > ${#NAME} > > ${parameter:-word} > > ${parameter:=word} > > These are supported in SuSv3 compliant shells too. Ah, OK. > > > ${parameter:o

Re: Bash /dev/tcp and /dev/udp

On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 08:25:27AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 11/24/06 06:06, Jon Dowland wrote: > > I think that having the shell re-implement netcat to be > > a violation of "do one thing and do it well". > > Hmmm. A large, complicated shell like bash broke that > stricture long ago, no? A

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:56 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 19:33 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > > > I don't see perl used that much for maintainer scripts, or daemon > > > scripts. > > > > Exactly the *point*. So why isn't this

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:54 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 07:09:49PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > > > > Now the choice of 464kB or 4528kB on a desktop where you're actually > > using the shell for interactive things is

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 11:10:19AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:56 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 19:33 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > > > > I don't see perl used that much for maintainer scri

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 21:08 +0100, David Weinehall wrote: > You can use whatever bashisms you like when you're working > interactively, that won't hinder dash from executing shells on boot and > elsewhere. Using bashisms in scripts does however cause a problem. I think it's time to realize that "

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy

* David Weinehall: > We do rely quite heavily on the glibc too, yet its documentation is > nonfree... The manpages-dev package documents most of the important interfaces, and it's in main. 8-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAI

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Fri November 24 2006 13:15, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Instead of focusing and hammering again and again on /bin/sh, why not > instead ask maintainers to do #!/bin/dash? because bash offers a larger superset of sh features than dash, and "sh" is a standard part of System V-like unix systems

Re: Bash /dev/tcp and /dev/udp

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/24/06 11:54, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 08:25:27AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 11/24/06 06:06, Jon Dowland wrote: >>> I think that having the shell re-implement netcat to be >>> a violation of "do one thing and do it well".

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 14:03 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote: > On Fri November 24 2006 13:15, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Instead of focusing and hammering again and again on /bin/sh, why not > > instead ask maintainers to do #!/bin/dash? > > because bash offers a larger superset of sh features than da

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 21:08 +0100, David Weinehall wrote: > > You can use whatever bashisms you like when you're working > > interactively, that won't hinder dash from executing shells on boot and > > elsewhere. Using bashisms in scripts does howe

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 23:55 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > > Instead of focusing and hammering again and again on /bin/sh, why not > > instead ask maintainers to do #!/bin/dash? > > Because the correct is #!/bin/sh and not to be tied on particular shell. I can't tell what you mean. There is nothing

Re: Question about "Depends: bash"

Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am 2006-11-22 01:15:59, schrieb Jari Aalto: > > > The memory footprint[1] of bash is bothering in old PC's, so there are > > But what do you mean with an OLD PC? > > A 486? Such computers should run busybox anyway. PII with 62-128M, fairly common

Re: Question about "Depends: bash"

On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 00:02 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > "fast enought" is in the eye of a beholder. Try with PII/64M with > X deskop with 20 sessions of bash open. And opening firefox and xchat. What on earth is this nonsense about multiple invocations? Do you not understand what shared text is?

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:54 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > > David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 07:09:49PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > > > > > > Now the choice of 464kB or 4528kB on a desktop where

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Fri November 24 2006 14:42, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 14:03 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote: > > On Fri November 24 2006 13:15, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > > Instead of focusing and hammering again and again on /bin/sh, why > > > not instead ask maintainers to do #!/bin/dash?

Re: Question about "Depends: bash"

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 00:02 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > > "fast enought" is in the eye of a beholder. Try with PII/64M with > > X deskop with 20 sessions of bash open. And opening firefox and xchat. > > What on earth is this nonsense about multiple

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 23:57 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > And why do you think that? please take a look at the RES values. I know you don't understand it, because you just appealed to the RSS values. If many processes are sharing text, they all get accounted with the size of the resident text in the

Re: Question about "Depends: bash"

> I'm not sure I follow. I' puzzled why you do not seem benefit in: > > - Making scripts sh-agnostict. That is making them portable > - Supporting low end systems with minimal of effort > - Improving the overall awaress of shells I don't care about the "awareness" of shells, no. If we can suppo

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 15:12 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote: > Sure, but since all "sh" scripts would be better off if they specified > dash as their command interpreter... #!/bin/sh use would disappear. So? > > I don't think it's my job to start saying what *other* distributions, > > which are not Debi

Re: Fwd: FC6 downloads and installs

On Sunday 19 November 2006 01:35, Michelle Konzack wrote: [FC core download stats] > Blahblah! ... > So the download statistics would be false anyway. It's not necessary to be so arrogant. In their email, they acknowledge that proxies etc. have influenced their stats. Their numbers are a lower b

Automatically collect hardware information from users?

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Descriptions of mono packages

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Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Fri November 24 2006 15:24, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 15:12 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote: > > Sure, but since all "sh" scripts would be better off if they > > specified dash as their command interpreter... #!/bin/sh use would > > disappear. > > So? Just pointing out that enc

Re: Fwd: FC6 downloads and installs

On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 11:52:36PM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > > I *guess* that Debian has a much higher percentage of downloads through > mirrors where we don't have the log files compared to FC, so this obviously > doesn't change that we won't be able to come even close to a reasonable

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On 23 Nov 2006 22:40:01 +0200, Jari Aalto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > My point. If there is explicit "Depends: bash", then someone can post > a patch to provide alternative solution to a person who may not know > alternative constructs (having learned only bashism). Sorry, but I don't understand

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Re: Bug#398793: [Adduser-devel] Bug#398793: adduser: Non system wide readable (home) directories should not be 751

On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 01:04:31PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: > > As others have pointed out, umask is probably the correct way to make > sure that your files are not world readable. This could trivially be > added to /etc/profile or something. Yes, there are multiple ways to change Debian's def

Re: Bash /dev/tcp and /dev/udp

On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 12:06:09PM +, Jon Dowland wrote: > I've never came across a script on debian or elsewhere that required > this functionality enabled. Indeed I'm horrified to find this feature > enabled on RHEL boxes. FWIW, ksh93 (as packaged in Debian) has this functionality enabled.

Re: Bug#400070: RFP: gaia -- Google Earth client

El jue, 23-11-2006 a las 18:50 +0100, Axel Beckert escribió: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: gaia > Version : 0.1.0 > Upstream Author : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * URL or Web page : http://gaia.serezhkin.com/ > * License : GPLv2 > Description : Goog

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 16:28 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote: > > > but it is Debian's job to be responsive to its users needs and > > > Debian has made a choice to strive for susv3 compatibility > > > > I don't think you understand what "compatibility" means in this > > context. It does not mean that you c

Re: Question about "Depends: bash"

On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 02:21:43PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > If we can support low end systems with *minimal* effort, fine, but you > are asking lots of *extra* effort. I think the two of you are spending far more effort *arguing* about this than it actually takes, in practice, to keep D

Re: Question about "Depends: bash"

On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 18:55 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 02:21:43PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > If we can support low end systems with *minimal* effort, fine, but you > > are asking lots of *extra* effort. > > I think the two of you are spending far more effort

Re: Bash /dev/tcp and /dev/udp

On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 13:12 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/24/06 11:54, Jon Dowland wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 08:25:27AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 11/24/06 06:06, Jon Dowland wrote: > >>> I think that having the shell re-imple

Re: Question about "Depends: bash"

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm not sure I follow. I' puzzled why you do not seem benefit in: > > > > - Making scripts sh-agnostict. That is making them portable > > - Supporting low end systems with minimal of effort > > - Improving the overall awaress of shells > > I do

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Somebody needs to explain to Jari the concept of a shared text segment. > Bash: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep 'Private_Dirty' /proc/$$/smaps | perl -e '$t = 0; while (<>) { /(\d+) kB$/ or die "parse err: $_"; $t += $1 } print "tot: $t\n"' tot: 2800 Dash: $ grep 'P

Bug#400310: ITP: akfquiz -- programs for quiz-games, learning-exercises, psychotests

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Andreas K. Foerster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: akfquiz Version : 4.4.0 Upstream Author : Andreas K. Foerster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://akfquiz.nongnu.org/ * License : GPL Description : programs f

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 16:28 -0700, Bruce Sass wrote: > > > > but it is Debian's job to be responsive to its users needs and > > > > Debian has made a choice to strive for susv3 compatibility > > > > > > I don't think you understand what "compatibil

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy, version two

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 23:55 +0200, Jari Aalto wrote: > > > Instead of focusing and hammering again and again on /bin/sh, why not > > > instead ask maintainers to do #!/bin/dash? > > > > Because the correct is #!/bin/sh and not to be tied on partic