Re: Downgrading the priority of nfs-utils [was: Re: Upgrading the priority of ucf]

2006-11-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 02 novembre 2006 à 05:22 -0800, Josh Triplett a écrit : > I would suggest b); reducing the "standard" set of packages seems like a > feature, it won't break upgrades (if installed, the package will stay > installed), and new installs don't need to get nfs-kernel-server as part > of the *de

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread Michal Politowski
On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 19:41:40 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: [...] > + local to create a scoped variable must be > + supported Underspecified. local in dash and bash behave differently. In dash the variable value from outer scope is retained, in bash it is not. Bugs caused by this do

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:41:40PM -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > + the -a and -o test operators > + must be supported Why is that needed ? Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread sean finney
On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 19:41 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Here's a proposed patch. What do people think about this approach? I > know there was an inconclusive Policy discussion a while back about how > best to deal with this issue. As you can tell from this patch, I favor > the approach of docum

Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Jan Wagner
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jan Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: php-tidy Version : 5.1.6 Upstream Author : The PHP group at www.php.net * URL : http://www.php.net/downloads.php * License : PHP License, version 3.01 Programming Lang: C

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061106 04:41]: > Here's a proposed patch. What do people think about this approach? Sounds good, thanks for your work. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tr

Re: Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006, Jan Wagner wrote: > Description : tidy module for php[45] > PHP is an HTML-embedded scripting language. Much of its syntax is borrowed > from C, Java and Perl with a couple of unique PHP-specific features thrown > in. The goal of the language is to allow web developer

Bug#397295: ITP: bitefusion -- Simple 15 level snake game

2006-11-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: bitefusion Version : 1.0.1 Upstream Author : J¸rgen Jacobsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and Morten Hustveit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.junoplay.com/ * License : G

Re: Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Jan Wagner
On Monday 06 November 2006 12:30, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006, Jan Wagner wrote: > > Description : tidy module for php[45] > > PHP is an HTML-embedded scripting language. Much of its syntax is > > borrowed from C, Java and Perl with a couple of unique PHP-specific > > features

Re: Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Emmanuel Bouthenot
Hi, Maybe you will close #332763 too with your ITP. M. -- mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg : 0x414EC36E jid : [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc : kolter@(freenode|oftc) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006, Jan Wagner wrote: > Version : 5.1.6 > * URL : http://www.php.net/downloads.php I don't understand: will you upload the php5 source a second time to Debian just for the tidy extension? What about the bugs below? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:41:40PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> This flows from the Release policy. Not specifying /bin/bash > >> in scripts is not considered a RC bug. > > > I can try to pro

Re: Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Jan Wagner
On Monday 06 November 2006 15:41, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006, Jan Wagner wrote: > > Version : 5.1.6 > > * URL : http://www.php.net/downloads.php > > I don't understand: will you upload the php5 source a second time to > Debian just for the tidy extension? I d

Re: Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Jan Wagner
On Monday 06 November 2006 15:03, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: > Hi, > > Maybe you will close #332763 too with your ITP. It will get closed by the upload. With kind regards, Jan. pgpEKEhLM8NOC.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy

2006-11-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> +the -a and -o test operators >> + must be supported > Why is that needed ? It's in widespread use in both Debian scripts and in upstream scripts. When we tried to warn about this behavior in li

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy

2006-11-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Michal Politowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 19:41:40 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > [...] >> +local to create a scoped variable must be >> + supported > Underspecified. local in dash and bash behave differently. In dash the > variable value from outer scope i

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread Zack Weinberg
I'd like to see this say something about what may be assumed of the standard shell utilities, as well as the shell itself, and in particular I'd like to see coreutils bug #339085 addressed [please see the bug log for my personal very strong opinion on which way it should be addressed]. zw -- To

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy

2006-11-06 Thread Michal Politowski
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:07:11 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Michal Politowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 19:41:40 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > [...] > >> + local to create a scoped variable must be > >> +supported > > > Underspecified. local in dash and bash b

Bug#397361: ITP: libscgi-rails-ruby -- SimpleCGI protocol implementation for Ruby on Rails

2006-11-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libscgi-rails-ruby Version : 0.4.3 Upstream Author : Zed Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.zedshaw.com/projects/scgi_rails/ * License : BSD-like Programming Lang:

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy

2006-11-06 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 09:01:27AM -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> + the -a and -o test operators > >> +must be supported > > > Why is that needed ? > > It's in widespread us

Re: Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006, Jan Wagner wrote: > I did split ext/tidy out of the php5 package. That doesn't sound like a good idea; did you already discuss building it as part of the php5 package? I could not find hints of such a discussion in #332763 nor #355976. Why would you want to upload a se

Re: Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Jan Wagner
On Monday 06 November 2006 22:31, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006, Jan Wagner wrote: > > I did split ext/tidy out of the php5 package. > > That doesn't sound like a good idea; did you already discuss building > it as part of the php5 package? I could not find hints of such a > discuss

Re: Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006, Jan Wagner wrote: > > That doesn't sound like a good idea; did you already discuss building > > it as part of the php5 package? I could not find hints of such a > > discussion in #332763 nor #355976. > See > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2006-Nove

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Russ's patch is no good, at least, it does not address the problems I have raised in the past. A Posix shell is allowed to have a builtin for ANY command without restriction, and as long as the builtin has the behavior specified by Posix for that command, it is a "Posix compatible shell." For exa

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy

2006-11-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well we got bug reports for that on firefox, IIRC, and we changed it, > that was not a real problem to replace [ some != test -a other = test ] > with [ some != test ] && [ other = test ]... Yes, a lot of people did fix it, but I'm afraid there are still

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy

2006-11-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ's patch is no good, at least, it does not address the problems I > have raised in the past. > A Posix shell is allowed to have a builtin for ANY command without > restriction, and as long as the builtin has the behavior specified by > Posix f

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy

2006-11-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 06, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, a lot of people did fix it, but I'm afraid there are still a lot > left. We can remove the requirement, but my understanding is that dash > supports it, which means that it's probably not creating bugs in practice > (posh isn't really desi

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 06, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Russ's patch is no good, at least, it does not address the problems I > have raised in the past. It's still better than what we have now, and solving parts of the problems is still better than waiting for the ultimate policy change which

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 06, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > + the -a and -o test operators > > + must be supported > Why is that needed ? Because every modern shell which is not designed to be broken supports them, and since they are in widespread use everywhere there is no reason to no su

Re: Proposed new POSIX sh policy (was: First draft of review of policy must usage)

2006-11-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 23:51 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Nov 06, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Russ's patch is no good, at least, it does not address the problems I > > have raised in the past. > It's still better than what we have now, and solving parts of the > problems

Re: Downgrading the priority of nfs-utils

2006-11-06 Thread Roger Leigh
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le jeudi 02 novembre 2006 à 05:22 -0800, Josh Triplett a écrit : >> I would suggest b); reducing the "standard" set of packages seems like a >> feature, it won't break upgrades (if installed, the package will stay >> installed), and new installs don't

Re: Downgrading the priority of nfs-utils

2006-11-06 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The majority of the Debian (and GNU/Linux systems in general) I see > tend to not use NFS at all. Do we have any usage statistics for the > NFS client? There is this: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?popcon=nfs-utils But I don't know how accurate the "

Re: Downgrading the priority of nfs-utils

2006-11-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Le jeudi 02 novembre 2006 à 05:22 -0800, Josh Triplett a écrit : >>> I would suggest b); reducing the "standard" set of packages seems like a >>> feature, it won't break upgrades (if installed, the packag

Re: Bug#397291: ITP: php-tidy -- tidy module for php[45]

2006-11-06 Thread Joey Schulze
Jan Wagner wrote: > On Monday 06 November 2006 22:31, Loïc Minier wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006, Jan Wagner wrote: > > > I did split ext/tidy out of the php5 package. > > > > That doesn't sound like a good idea; did you already discuss building > > it as part of the php5 package? I could not f