Re: Desktop task(sel) in Etch? (Bug #389092)

2006-09-27 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1159290174 past the epoch, Jim Crilly wrote: > The difference here is that removing exim4 and replacing > it with postfix is a lot less work than it is Gnome->KDE > since you can't just remove the 'gnome' metapackage and > have all of Gnome be gone. If there was an easy way to do > that I doubt

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Michael Meskes
On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 06:29:25PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > But folding it into shlibdeps at least would remove all those warnings > > that were created by shlibdeps. > > What warnings were created by shlibdeps? I'm not sure what you're > referring to here. Sorry. I had a short look at so

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Ganesan Rajagopal
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 09:49:57PM +0200, Christian Aichinger wrote: > As a start, I've written a script that searches for unnecessary > dependencies and reports them. Results are available here: > http://rerun.lefant.net/checklib Excellent work :-). I didn't see a link to the checklib script itse

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:09:37AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 06:29:25PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > But folding it into shlibdeps at least would remove all those warnings > > > that were created by shlibdeps. > > What warnings were created by shlibdeps? I'm not

Bug#389710: ITP: git-buildpackage -- Suite to help with Debian packages in git archives

2006-09-27 Thread Guido Guenther
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Guido Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: git-buildpackage Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Guido Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : git clone http://honk.sigxcpu.org/git/git-buildpackage/.git * License : GPLv2

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Christian Aichinger
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:05:29PM +0530, Ganesan Rajagopal wrote: > Excellent work :-). Thanks :) > I didn't see a link to the checklib script itself. > Do you intend to release it some time? Thanks. It's linked at the bottom of all the pages, the link points to http://greek0.net/div/checklib.t

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Michael Meskes
> > Sorry. I had a short look at some packages and all redundant > > dependencies were created by shlibdeps. It doesn't seem to make sense to > > have a list by maintainer when the dependencies weren't added by > > him/her. Or did I misunderstand what this discussion is about? > > Yes, I'm afraid

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 06:28:50PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Christian Aichinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Maintaining such information somewhere within the library package would > > be possible, but that sounds like a more complex plan, and I doubt that > > many library maintainers know

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Christian Aichinger
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:50:07PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > As a first approximation perhaps libraries with constructors or > destructors could be assumed to always be required? That would be more > conservative than required but perhaps so conservative as to be useless. The problematic section

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:57:16AM -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:09:37AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 06:29:25PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > > But folding it into shlibdeps at least would remove all those warnings > >

Re: Free flash player for your browser

2006-09-27 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 26/09/2006 Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Jonas Meurer] > > unfortunately mozilla-plugin-gnash crashes for most flash pages. > > OK. If you got time, please add these test pages to the wiki. I have > not been able to get the latest plugin to crash, so I am interested in > these pages. i must

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:44:10PM +0200, Christian Aichinger wrote: > The problematic sections seem to be .init and .fini. There are > sections called .ctors and .dtors, but they aren't marked as > executable. .ctors and .dtors contain function pointers that are called by code in the .init/.fini

Re: Intent to "hijack" the dhelp package

2006-09-27 Thread José Luis Tallón
Esteban Manchado Velázquez wrote: > Hi all, > > As Javier noted just after releasing Sarge [1], we need better > documentation integration tools in Debian. Yes, we have dhelp [2], but it > lacks loads of features, and it's not what I would call "in shape" [3]. I have > tried to fix this situati

Re: Desktop task(sel) in Etch? (Bug #389092)

2006-09-27 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Andreas Tille 2006-09-27 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The hint to non US keyboard is *very* important. I would love if > *every* string a user (not a hacker) has to type at the boot prompt > would work on *any* keybord according to its marking, which means only > letters (no =_/ etc.) are allowed. G

Bug#389773: ITP: cnf -- library for C and Fortran mixed programming

2006-09-27 Thread Enrico Zini
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Enrico Zini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: cnf Version : 4.0 Upstream Author : Various from Council for the Central Laboratory of the Research Councils ("CCLRC") and stated at the beginning of ever

Bug#389776: ITP: dballe -- Database for punctual meteorological data

2006-09-27 Thread Enrico Zini
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Enrico Zini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: dballe Version : 2.5 Upstream Author : Enrico Zini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for ARPA SIM * URL : http://www.smr.arpa.emr.it/software/DBalle.html * License : GPL Programming Lang

Re: Desktop task(sel) in Etch? (Bug #389092)

2006-09-27 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:32:24AM +0200, Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Christian Perrier wrote: > > >"tasks=kde-desktop" is a bit rude to type (try it on a non US > >keyboard...). > > The hint to non US keyboard is *very* important. I would love if > *every* s

Bug#389777: ITP: cruisecontrol -- CruiseControl is a java-based framework for a continuous build process. It includes, but is not limited to, plugins for email notification, Ant, and various source co

2006-09-27 Thread Rodrigo Lemos
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Rodrigo Lemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: cruisecontrol Version : 2.5 Upstream Author : ThoughtWorks, Inc * URL : http://cruisecontrol.sourceforge.net * License : BSD-style Programming Lang: Java Description

Entering parameters at the boot prompt

2006-09-27 Thread Christian Perrier
(from a discussion in -devel) > The hint to non US keyboard is *very* important. I would love if > *every* string a user (not a hacker) has to type at the boot prompt > would work on *any* keybord according to its marking, which means only > letters (no =_/ etc.) are allowed. A "-" might work on

Re: Entering parameters at the boot prompt

2006-09-27 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 06:15:39PM +0200, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (from a discussion in -devel) > > > The hint to non US keyboard is *very* important. I would love if > > *every* string a user (not a hacker) has to type at the boot prompt > > would work on *any* keybord ac

Re: Entering parameters at the boot prompt

2006-09-27 Thread Christian Perrier
> Which reminds me [OT] that when I tried a d-i beta i've been deceived > not to see the magic keyboard wizard i saw on the first ubuntu ; the one > that asks to press some keys and guess the keyboard type based on that > set of keys you typed. Will probably be in the TODO list for post-etch but

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Christian Aichinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What I could imagine was some sort of opt-in system, where library > maintainers could put a special marker into their -dev packages > indicating "yes, please remove me if I'm not needed, it's save". > I'm not sure where to put it inside the -dev

Re: Bug#389777: ITP: cruisecontrol -- CruiseControl is a java-based framework for a continuous build process. It includes, but is not limited to, plugins for email notification, Ant, and various sourc

2006-09-27 Thread Sandro Tosi
Description : CruiseControl is a java-based framework for a continuous build process. It includes, but is not limited to, plugins for email notification, Ant, and various source control tools. A web interface is provided to view the details of the current and previous builds. referri

ITP: freehdl -- Free VHDL simulator

2006-09-27 Thread L. Redrejo
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: José L. Redrejo Rodríguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: freehdl Version : 0.2.3 Upstream Authors: Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (parser) Edwin Naroska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (code generator/simulator)

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Christian Aichinger
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 10:54:34AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I'm not sure where to put it inside the -dev package though, perhaps > > in an /usr/share/debhelper/stripdeps/ file? > > Well, if we're talking about an external tool to strip unnecessary NEEDED > entries from the library, you could

Bug#389798: ITP: hapm -- high availability port monitor

2006-09-27 Thread Joao Eriberto Mota Filho
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joao Eriberto Mota Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: hapm Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Alexandre Antonio Antunes de Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Joao Eriberto Mota Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> R

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
to > run it or not. That doesn't help the folks who aren't using debhelper = as > much, though. But isn't the decision of the maintainer to use dh_striplibs orthogonal to the need for a library not to be stripped? That is, some set of libraries presumably shouldn't be stripped out of NEEDED ent

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-27 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
ugh, somehow one of Thunderbird, Enigmail or my SMTP server mangled the quoted part of my last email at Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, maybe also the GPG sig. Sorry about that! Everything I wanted to say went through OK though. -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW:

Re: Desktop task(sel) in Etch? (Bug #389092)

2006-09-27 Thread Joey Hess
Jon Dowland wrote: > Hm. If you installed the gnome metapackage with aptitude, > then the dependencies would be marked 'auto' and removed > once you'd removed the manual package at the top of the > tree. Or you can just tasksel remove gnome-desktop; tasksel install kde-desktop > Perhaps aptitude

Bug#389817: ITP: pm-utils -- utilities and scripts usefull for power management

2006-09-27 Thread Tim Dijkstra
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Tim Dijkstra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pm-utils Version : 0.0.1 Upstream Author : Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Zeuthen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL

Re: Bug#388569: general: always printed in letter format

2006-09-27 Thread Martin Wuertele
* gerhard oettl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-09-22 06:59]: > Since updating to etch some weeks ago i was not able to print > from firefox, because always letter format is requested on the > printer panel. This happens independend of the input in the > printer property fields in the printing dialog if

Re: Bug#389817: ITP: pm-utils -- utilities and scripts usefull for power management

2006-09-27 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:08:24PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote: > Provides simple shell command line tools to suspend and hibernate > computer that can be used to run vendor or distro supplied scripts > on suspend and resume. This is something like the fifth package in Debian that attempts to do thi

Re: Bug#389817: ITP: pm-utils -- utilities and scripts usefull for power management

2006-09-27 Thread Tim Dijkstra
Op Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:41:01 +0200 schreef "Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:08:24PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote: > > Provides simple shell command line tools to suspend and hibernate > > computer that can be used to run vendor or distro supplied scripts > > on

Re: Bug#389817: ITP: pm-utils -- utilities and scripts usefull for power management

2006-09-27 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Tim Dijkstra said: > Op Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:41:01 +0200 > schreef "Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:08:24PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote: > > > Provides simple shell command line tools to suspend and hibernate > > > computer that

Re: Bug#389817: ITP: pm-utils -- utilities and scripts usefull for power management

2006-09-27 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:41:01PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:08:24PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote: > > Provides simple shell command line tools to suspend and hibernate > > computer that can be used to run vendor or distro supplied scripts > > on suspend and resum

Re: Bug#389817: ITP: pm-utils -- utilities and scripts usefull for power management

2006-09-27 Thread Tim Dijkstra
Op Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:00:28 +0100 schreef Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Not that I actually object to the package, but why can't HAL let acpid > manage acpi events? I am continually confused by the profusion of > packages that offer to work around acpid in order to provide the > functional

Re: Bug#389817: ITP: pm-utils -- utilities and scripts usefull for power management

2006-09-27 Thread Tim Dijkstra
Op Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:04:40 +0200 schreef Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:41:01PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:08:24PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote: > > > Provides simple shell command line tools to suspend and hibernate > > > comp

Re: Free flash player for your browser

2006-09-27 Thread Ben Finney
Jonas Meurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 26/09/2006 Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > That would be a bug in your X server. X servers should not crash > > no matter the client. :) > > ... my X server crashed a second time, this time at an artist at > myspace.com, which automaticly starts a fla

Re: Entering parameters at the boot prompt

2006-09-27 Thread Ben Finney
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, users seeing q when typing a wouldn't continue typing anyway... Unless they're one of the great many users who look at the keyboard, rather than the monitor, while they type. -- \ "I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anythin

Re: Bug#389817: ITP: pm-utils -- utilities and scripts usefull for power management

2006-09-27 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Tim Dijkstra said: > Op Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:00:28 +0100 > schreef Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Not that I actually object to the package, but why can't HAL let acpid > > manage acpi events? I am continually confused by the profusion of > > packages that off

Re: Free flash player for your browser

2006-09-27 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 28/09/2006 Ben Finney wrote: > Jonas Meurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 26/09/2006 Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > > That would be a bug in your X server. X servers should not crash > > > no matter the client. :) > > > > ... my X server crashed a second time, this time at an artist at

Re: Free flash player for your browser

2006-09-27 Thread Ben Finney
Jonas Meurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 28/09/2006 Ben Finney wrote: > > Excellent. You're getting more of an understanding of how to > > reproduce this bug in your X server. I hope that soon you can > > submit a bug report against the X server with a test case. > > i'm not able to reproduc

Re: Free flash player for your browser

2006-09-27 Thread Miriam Ruiz
--- Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > When you do, the 'reportbug' tool (which you can install via aptitude > if you don't already have it) will make it easy to report a bug to the > Debian bug tracking system. Jonas has already filed some bugs against gnash. To be honest, I don't know

Problems with g++ (Was: Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies)

2006-09-27 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
Hello, On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, Christian Aichinger wrote: > As Steve Langasek detailed in his d-d-a mail[1], unnecessary > dependencies cause lots of problems, as they make transitions > bigger then they need to be. Sorry for the noise. I wrote earlier to Christian Aichinger (and submitted a report

Re: Desktop task(sel) in Etch? (Bug #389092)

2006-09-27 Thread Christian Perrier
> Given that French keyboards have virtually no key at the "proper" > place, that's quite hard to accomplish... Evil Troll...:-)...let me jump into it. The "only" keys in the ASCII set that are at different places in the French keyboard are "a" "z" "q" "w" and "m". I added "y" to the list becaus

Re: Desktop task(sel) in Etch? (Bug #389092)

2006-09-27 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, Christian Perrier wrote: That still leaves 20 ASCII characters which are supposedly at the same place on all keyboards (to be checked, though). I guess that there are other language keyboards around that leave us only 5 or 6 characters to choose from. So what about giving