Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 07:17:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > > > Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal > > > minefield. Tha

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which > technically does not permit redistribution. At least 53 blobs have this > problem. Many of them are licensed under the GPL, but without source code > provided. Since

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:27:21AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which > > technically does not permit redistribution. At least 53 blobs have this > > problem. Many of the

Re: Policy regarding virtual packages

2006-08-30 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 00:29, Steve Langasek took the opportunity to say: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 01:51:39PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > > On Monday 28 August 2006 21:06, Steve Langasek took the opportunity to say: > > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 04:01:57PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: >

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re:Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Pierre HABOUZIT
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:00:27AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 07:17:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > > > > > Debian needs

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re:Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 10:22:38AM +0200, Pierre HABOUZIT wrote: > > > So, all in all, all this fuss for seven blobs ? waw, what a waste of > > > time. > > 53 + 7 = 60. > > Please Mike, you have lately a tendency to inflame discussions for > > nothing. You've used me to expect better from you. >

Re: Debian ISOs

2006-08-30 Thread Subredu Manuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 17 août 2006 à 11:48 -0400, Anthony L. Bryan a écrit : > > Given that downloads like Debian ISOs are already putting a heavy > bandwidth load on the servers and that they are already shared among > many servers, I

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:00:27AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 07:17:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > > > > > Debian needs

How to package OTF CID fonts?

2006-08-30 Thread Arne Götje (高盛華)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi list, I'm developing a set of Pan-CJK CID fonts (OTF/TTF format, not wrapped up PS), which will come with their own font specific CMap files. The Adobe ones won't work. Now my question: Where should the fonts and the CMap files be installed and ho

Re: inet-superserver virtual package

2006-08-30 Thread Guillem Jover
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 12:27:43 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 28, Guillem Jover wrote: > > Just yesterday night dato raised the issue on #d-release, and I was > > telling about the virtual package, and that we could move to it now, > > and worry later about a possible transition to that new up

Re: inet-superserver virtual package

2006-08-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 30, Guillem Jover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not convinced that duplicating update-inetd in most of the > inetd providing packages is a good idea, even if this would allow > xinetd to be able to replace a normal inetd easily. I'd prefer that the > odd cases override update-inetd, via

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-24 17:51:55, schrieb Rudy Godoy: > I do believe it's more a matter of relations with press and media than > budget. We have no easy-way-to-get-it to tell people why they would want to > use Debian. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has achieved to do so, and what they > tell that we can't? not

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-25 11:46:20, schrieb Mgr. Peter Tuharsky: > 1b, If things don't work, it's sometimes hard to get them working > either. Example: Bug 372719. The OOo 2.0 keeps crashing for 2 months > thank to KNOWN bug in security upgrade. Now tell somebody, that Debian But OOo 2.0 is not in Stable!

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-26 02:56:25, schrieb Hendrik Sattler: > Am Freitag 25 August 2006 12:54 schrieb Wouter Verhelst: > > Given that a kernel image these days takes up about 50M already > > I guess that those that care for the smallest possible base system (and those > that hate initrd/initramfs) have thei

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-26 02:01:21, schrieb Benjamin Seidenberg: > You can always use a Transnational Republic ID card. :-) Where can I get this? - Martin? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-27 01:19:23, schrieb Adam Borowski: > I am pretty sure Michelle has at least _some_ sort of ID, even as an > illegal alien. And with the current anti-Arab scare she would be > already deported were she lacking complete valid papers -- you can > sit in peace if you don't travel anywhere

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Toni Mueller
Hello, On Wed, 30.08.2006 at 09:27:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which > > technically does not permit redistribution. At least 53 blobs have this >

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Arjan Oosting
Op wo, 30-08-2006 te 17:16 +0200, schreef Toni Mueller: > > Hello, > > On Wed, 30.08.2006 at 09:27:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which > > > techni

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:16:29PM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: > > > Hello, > > On Wed, 30.08.2006 at 09:27:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which > >

Re: Update: status of inetd

2006-08-30 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 12:58:27PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 28, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 1) Split out update-inetd from netbase into a new "inetd" package. > No, because e.g. xinetd needs a totally different update-inetd program. > It's simpler if each inetd package

Re: Update: status of inetd

2006-08-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 30, Jean-Christophe Dubacq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Instead, all packages should call a common update-inetd minus the last > line. This common part registers the arguments for the service under a > common format. Then it calls a inetd-specific script that parses those We do not have a n

ITP: adun.app -- a Molecular Simulator

2006-08-30 Thread Gürkan Sengün
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: adun.app Version : 0.5 Upstream Authors : Michael A. Johnston, I. F. Galván, Jordi Villà-Freixa * URL : http://diana.imim.es/Adun * License : GNU GPL Description : Molec

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Joe Smith
"Sven Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:27:21AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which > technically does not permit

Bug#385349: ITP: bazaar-webserve -- allow a bzr branch to be accessed via the web

2006-08-30 Thread James Westby
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: James Westby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: bazaar-webserve Version : Unknown Upstream Author : Goffredo Baroncelli * URL : http://goffredo-baroncelli.homelinux.net/bazaar-dev/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: Pyt

Re: Bug#385338: wish: dpkg-reconfigure localepurge to select when to run localepurge automatically

2006-08-30 Thread Paul Seelig
CC'ed debian-devel On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 04:49:11PM +0100, João Batista wrote: > > I'd like to propose a facility, configurable when running > dpkg-reconfigure localepurge , to allow the sysadmin to select when > localepurge should be run e.g.: > - everytime dpkg/apt is run (default) > - m

Deploying configuration as packages

2006-08-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi list, For deploying a number of servers at a client's, we've started using package-based configuration. The idea is not new and not complicated: put the local configuration files in Debian packages to deploy them. This answers to the following needs: * simplicity; * ability to dep

Re: Deploying configuration as packages

2006-08-30 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.30.2023 +0200]: > First question to the developers, what are you using for deploying > configuration on your servers? cfengine and puppet > * The first thing that comes to mind is the ability to divert > conffiles. This could

Re: Bug#385338: wish: dpkg-reconfigure localepurge to select when to run localepurge automatically

2006-08-30 Thread Steve Greenland
On 30-Aug-06, 12:38 (CDT), Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CC'ed debian-devel > > On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 04:49:11PM +0100, Jo?o Batista wrote: > > > > I'd like to propose a facility, configurable when running > > dpkg-reconfigure localepurge , to allow the sysadmin to select when > > l

Re: Deploying configuration as packages

2006-08-30 Thread Eric Dorland
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > also sprach Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.30.2023 +0200]: > > First question to the developers, what are you using for deploying > > configuration on your servers? > > cfengine and puppet Are you using both at the same time? Or moving

Re: bug rates

2006-08-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I wonder if it would be worthwhile to try to quantify this some more, > by looking at all the RC bugs over a period of time and determining: > > a. What percentage were caused by issues in new uploads. > b. What percentage by transitions. > c. What percentag

Re: Debian ISOs

2006-08-30 Thread Bruce Sass
On Wed August 30 2006 02:52, Subredu Manuel wrote: > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le jeudi 17 août 2006 à 11:48 -0400, Anthony L. Bryan a écrit : > > > > Given that downloads like Debian ISOs are already putting a heavy > > bandwidth load on the servers and that they are already shared > > among man

Use of dpkg --set-selections is brain-dead?

2006-08-30 Thread Michael S. Peek
Hello gurus, I thought I would be slick and write a package that contains a script that will figure out what should be installed/removed/upgraded/etc. on each of the machines where I work. (Using sarge, btw.) I had planned to do this by listing each of the packages and it's install status in

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Joe Smith wrote: > "Sven Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:27:21AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: >>> On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing whic

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Sven Luther wrote: > Since the firmware blobs are not derivative works of the kernel, but > constitute mere agregation in the same binary format, the authors of other > pieces of GPLed code fo the linux kernel cannot even sue us for > distributing the kernel code with those GPL-violating binary BL

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > >> Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal >> minefield. That is higher priority than the entire discussion going on >> right now, because it determines whether Debian will dis

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:18:28PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > > Since the firmware blobs are not derivative works of the kernel, but > > constitute mere agregation in the same binary format, the authors of other > > pieces of GPLed code fo the linux kernel cannot even

Re: Deploying configuration as packages

2006-08-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 30 août 2006 à 21:26 +0200, martin f krafft a écrit : > > * The first thing that comes to mind is the ability to divert > > conffiles. This could help a lot to build things around existing > > packages. Do you think this is realistic? Can this be done with > >

Re: ITP: adun.app -- a Molecular Simulator

2006-08-30 Thread Steffen Joeris
Hi On Thursday 31 August 2006 01:58, Gürkan Sengün wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: adun.app Maybe I miss some essential parts, but I always wonder why some people add a .app to the software name? Can you please give me a short explanation or point me to a prev

Re: ITP: adun.app -- a Molecular Simulator

2006-08-30 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 09:24:21PM +1000, Steffen Joeris wrote: > Hi > > > * Package name: adun.app > Maybe I miss some essential parts, but I always wonder why some people add > a .app to the software name? Can you please give me a short explanation or > point me to a previous thread? > I

Re: inet-superserver virtual package

2006-08-30 Thread Guillem Jover
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 14:22:07 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 30, Guillem Jover wrote: > > I'm not convinced that duplicating update-inetd in most of the > > inetd providing packages is a good idea, even if this would allow > > xinetd to be able to replace a normal inetd easily. I'd prefer tha

Re: bug rates

2006-08-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Joey Hess wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote (elsewhere): >> something changes in the archive (often for a transition that needs >> to happen), a large number of packages are broken by this, and some >> appreciable number of the maintainers don't respond in a reasonable >> amount of time ("reasonable"

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Toni Mueller wrote: > > > Hello, > > On Wed, 30.08.2006 at 09:27:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which >> > technically does not permit redistributio

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:26:56PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > >> Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal > >> minefield. That is higher priority than the entire discussion going on > >> right

Re: ITP: adun.app -- a Molecular Simulator

2006-08-30 Thread Hubert Chan
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:12:04 -0400, Daniel Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 09:24:21PM +1000, Steffen Joeris wrote: >> Hi >> >> > * Package name : adun.app >> Maybe I miss some essential parts, but I always wonder why some >> people add a .app to the software name? Ca

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Nathanael Nerode] > So -- point me to the correct parts of the installer. I don't know > where to find this "anna". svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/trunk/packages/anna signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:26:56PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> Actually, letting an overworked team of four with (to my knowledge) zero >> legal expertise settle questions of legal liability is pretty absurd too. > > They are the team responsible for vetting the le

Re: Debian ISOs

2006-08-30 Thread Subredu Manuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bruce Sass wrote: > > You seem to be ignoring that metalinker will use multiple protocols, > servers, and connections in an effort to get the fastest download. > http://www.metalinker.org/Metalink_3.0_Spec.pdf also indicates it will > switch serv