Re: Urgency bug, or am I missing something?

2006-08-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 12:29 -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > And the "Urgency" field matches Debian policy 5.6.17, where it explicitly > states: "It consists of a single keyword usually taking one of the values > low, medium or high (not case-sensitive) followed by an optional commentary > (se

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:34 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > Ok, third time. Please do not do that: > > To: George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > > Then SET YOUR HEADERS to reflect that, like everyone else does. So you're shouting to people to use non-standa

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Frank Küster
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 06:31:18PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: >> John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I think people that are NMUing packages rarely care about this. >> >> When NMU'ing a package, I'd really appreciate to know which changes have

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 03:34:34PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 09:09:12PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > > Care to describe how without using your SCM but apt-get source instead ? > apt-get source packagename > Really, what is the problem here? With a system like dpatch

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Miles Bader
Thijs Kinkhorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So you're shouting to people to use non-standard and not generally > implemented headers to in order to have you comply with the mailinglist > code of conduct? Er, well the advantage of the headers is that in practice they pretty much work most of the

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2006-08-03 kello 17:56 +0900, Miles Bader kirjoitti: > Er, well the advantage of the headers is that in practice they pretty > much work most of the time (despite being "non-standard" and "not > generally implemented" they seem to work with the sort of MUA dds tend > to use), unlike the c-o-c,

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.03.1116 +0100]: > Debian's lists support List-ID, List-Post, and the other List- headers. > If mutt's L command doesn't use that to figure out the list reply > address, perhaps someone would be so kind as to write a suitable patch? > > (That'

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2006-08-03 kello 11:23 +0100, martin f krafft kirjoitti: > also sprach Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.03.1116 +0100]: > > Debian's lists support List-ID, List-Post, and the other List- headers. > > If mutt's L command doesn't use that to figure out the list reply > > address, perha

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Thursday 03 August 2006 12:23, martin f krafft took the opportunity to say: > also sprach Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.03.1116 +0100]: > > Debian's lists support List-ID, List-Post, and the other List- headers. > > If mutt's L command doesn't use that to figure out the list reply

Re: Two versions of pan in etch?

2006-08-03 Thread David Weinehall
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 08:31:34PM +0200, Søren Boll Overgaard wrote: > Hello, > > Pan[0] is currently undergoing a major rewrite, and being the > maintainer, I am currently considering what version of pan to include > in etch. This mail[1] from one of the pan mailing lists sums up the > situation

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)
Lars Wirzenius: > to, 2006-08-03 kello 11:23 +0100, martin f krafft kirjoitti: >> It sure works, but you have to let mutt know about it: >> subscribe debian-devel@lists.debian.org >> That's a *good* thing. > My point was that having to tell mutt manually about every mailing > list is a pain,

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Alexander Sack
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:09:44AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > Nobody has to learn Darcs to hack on my packages. > > Well if someone has to work on a "which of the applied patch broken > the package is such a way" kinda issue, he will have to, in order to > have access to the patches. > dpa

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > bzr is also working on a high performance server at the moment, which > will operate over either a socketpair - i.e. tunnelling via ssh (which > can still be done without granting shell access), or over plain http via > an apache rewrite rule. Is it al

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Anyway, as a side note on this thread: *darcs is just far t > slow* for decent maintenance of large pieces of software. I tried once > to create a mozilla repository, do some work with it and it was completely > unusable. I am not talking about minu

thedebianuser.org started

2006-08-03 Thread Wolfgang Lonien
DDD (Dear Debian Developers), two days ago, I started a new community project - mostly a blog page until now - called "thedebianuser.org". I kindly invite all of you to contribute, or send comments, critics, whatever. The "official" announcement is on LXer, because I promised them since long to

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-03 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 08:27 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > bzr is also working on a high performance server at the moment, which > > will operate over either a socketpair - i.e. tunnelling via ssh (which > > can still be done without granting shell

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Frank Küster
Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Anyway, as a side note on this thread: *darcs is just far t >> slow* for decent maintenance of large pieces of software. I tried once >> to create a mozilla repository, do some work with it and it was

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 08:27 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: >> Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > bzr is also working on a high performance server at the moment, which >> > will operate over either a socketpair - i.e. tunnelling via ssh (

Re: Bug#381201: ITP: reniced -- renice running processes based on regular expressions

2006-08-03 Thread Christian Garbs
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 12:08:48AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 02 août 2006 à 23:15 +0200, Bart Martens a écrit : > > Instead of editing the scripts in /etc/init.d to give daemons the > > nicelevel you want (and get prompted at every package update because > > these files are co

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:37:10AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * John Goerzen [Wed, Aug 02 2006, 04:12:50PM]: > > > Because everyone knows how to use cp and diff, and because I get diffs > > sent to the BTS all the time. It works. And it has nothing to do with > > VCS -- it's just D

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:09:44AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > Well if someone has to work on a "which of the applied patch broken > the package is such a way" kinda issue, he will have to, in order to > have access to the patches. No, they are all in the diff.gz, and that's easy enough to find.

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 03:13:30PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> Anyway, as a side note on this thread: *darcs is just far t > >> slow* for decent maintenance of large pieces of software. I trie

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Peter Van Eynde
Alle Thursday 03 August 2006 13:42, Otavio Salvador ha scritto: > Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Anyway, as a side note on this thread: *darcs is just far t > > slow* for decent maintenance of large pieces of software. I tried once > > to create a mozilla repository, do some

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 09:15:05AM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > The very same "debian patch manager" clearly identifies patches you've > produced against a certain upstream version and if I want to see the text of > your diffs altering src/file.c|h|whatever, not just a mere changelog entry, I

Re: Bug#381201: ITP: reniced -- renice running processes based on regular expressions

2006-08-03 Thread Christian Garbs
Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > Wow, that sounds like an annoying bug just waiting to get reported! > (Having to edit scripts in /etc/init.d is an exceptionally bad way > to configure a daemon.) This is about daemons that are not designed to be configured in that way. The "easiest" solution was to j

Re: Bug#381201: ITP: reniced -- renice running processes based on regular expressions

2006-08-03 Thread Christian Garbs
martin f krafft wrote: >also sprach Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.02.2308 +0100]: >> Out of curiosity, what real-life uses does this tool have? Daemons >> don't need to be reniced, so there must be something else. > reniced /(g(cc|++)|c(c|++))/ 15 > or whatever the syntax is. I o

Re: Bug#381201: ITP: reniced -- renice running processes based on regular expressions

2006-08-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Christian Garbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.03.1436 +0100]: > reniced does not wait for new processes to act on them. It is > designed to be run once a day and affect the processes running in > that moment. Then don't call it renice*d*, please. -- Please do not send copies of list

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Anyway, as a side note on this thread: *darcs is just far t >>> slow* for decent maintenance of large pieces of software. I tried once >>> to create a mo

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1154609291 past the epoch, Shot (Piotr Szotkowski) wrote: I use something similar, but I generate procmailrc and muttrc snippets from a master file of mailing lists using m4 and some scripts. -- Jon Dowland http://alcopop.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject o

Re: Bug#381201: ITP: reniced -- renice running processes based on regular expressions

2006-08-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > also sprach Christian Garbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.03.1436 +0100]: >> reniced does not wait for new processes to act on them. It is >> designed to be run once a day and affect the processes running in >> that moment. > > Then don't call it renic

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Alexander Sack
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:32:28AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:09:44AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > Well if someone has to work on a "which of the applied patch broken > > the package is such a way" kinda issue, he will have to, in order to > > have access to the patche

Re: Bug#381201: ITP: reniced -- renice running processes based on regular expressions

2006-08-03 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 02:52:50PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Christian Garbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.03.1436 +0100]: > > reniced does not wait for new processes to act on them. It is > > designed to be run once a day and affect the processes running in > > that moment. > >

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1154593998 past the epoch, Eduard Bloch wrote: > And you can do all that with dpatch-edit-dpatch and the > regular Unix commands without learning another VCS and/or > without needing access to it. Advantage? Yes. Someone is more likely to know a particular VCS than an in-house tool like dpatch,

Re: thedebianuser.org started

2006-08-03 Thread Joseph Smidt
Wolfgang, I think that is a great idea. You should make a post on forums.debian.net to since that is another place many of the community hang out. That's just my two cents. Joseph Smidt -- Josep

Re: thedebianuser.org started

2006-08-03 Thread Steve Kemp
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:26:57AM -0600, Joseph Smidt wrote: > Wolfgang, > I think that is a great idea. You should make a post on > forums.debian.net to since that is another place many of the community > hang out. That's just my two cents. Seconded. I put a simple advert on Debian-Admini

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 01:27:45PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > My point was that having to tell mutt manually about every mailing list > is a pain, and people don't do it. I do. > The List- headers are sufficient, in my experience, to automate this. They don't support following up to cross-po

Re: Bug#381201: ITP: reniced -- renice running processes based on regular expressions

2006-08-03 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:26:24PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > reniced /(g(cc|++)|c(c|++))/ 15 How about ``pgrep '(g(cc|\+\+)|c(c|\+\+))' | xargs renice 15''? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: thedebianuser.org started

2006-08-03 Thread Wolfgang Lonien
Steve Kemp wrote: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:26:57AM -0600, Joseph Smidt wrote: >>Wolfgang, >> I think that is a great idea. You should make a post on >>forums.debian.net to since that is another place many of the community >>hang out. That's just my two cents. > Seconded. I put a simple ad

Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:20:26AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:34 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > > > Ok, third time. Please do not do that: > > > To: George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > > > > Then SET YOUR HEADERS to reflect

Re: thedebianuser.org started

2006-08-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Joseph Smidt [Thu, Aug 03 2006, 08:26:57AM]: > Wolfgang, > I think that is a great idea. You should make a post on > forums.debian.net to since that is another place many of the community > hang out. That's just my two cents. Why don't you create a web ring and place banners everyw

Re: Bug#381201: ITP: reniced -- renice running processes based on regular expressions

2006-08-03 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 02 août 2006 à 23:15 +0200, Bart Martens a écrit : > > Instead of editing the scripts in /etc/init.d to give daemons the > > nicelevel you want (and get prompted at every package update because > > these files are conffiles) you can jus

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 20:30 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:20:26AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:34 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > > > > > Ok, third time. Please do not do that: > > > > To: George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > CC: de

Re: thedebianuser.org started

2006-08-03 Thread Steve Kemp
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:26:41PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Why don't you create a web ring and place banners everywhere? (seriously) There is a "promote debian" ring already: http://spreaddebian.com/ I like to see related sites linking to each other, and I like to see friendly coo

Re: Two versions of pan in etch?

2006-08-03 Thread Yavor Doganov
David Weinehall wrote: > > Is the new version of pan able to migrate the information from the > old version yet? No, and it won't be until somebody writes the code. Charles Kerr (the upstream author) said that he's not going to do it as it's non-trivial and fairly difficult. I understand him, a

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:24:10PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > > You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers as > > "hitting a button". A very specific button, especially for that purpose. > > I expect my MUA to Do The Right Thing (TM). It usually does, except on > > the

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread George Danchev
On Friday 04 August 2006 00:37, John Goerzen wrote: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:24:10PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > > > You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers as > > > "hitting a button". A very specific button, especially for that > > > purpose. I expect my MUA to

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * John Goerzen [Thu, Aug 03 2006, 08:29:33AM]: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:37:10AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > #include > > * John Goerzen [Wed, Aug 02 2006, 04:12:50PM]: > > > > > Because everyone knows how to use cp and diff, and because I get diffs > > > sent to the BTS all the t

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-03 Thread Brian May
> "Adeodato" == Adeodato <"=?utf-8?B?U2ltw7M=?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > writes: Adeodato> But if you have a set of equal developers, bzr can be Adeodato> also used in a very similar way to Subversion, where all Adeodato> commits go to a central repository, and nobody has to

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-03 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 09:56 +1000, Brian May wrote: > For documentation on checkouts and bound branches, see > > http://bazaar-vcs.org/CheckoutTutorial > > http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrUsingBoundBranches > > However, I am not convinced the following paragraph in the first > page is correct: > > "

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 01:27:15AM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > On Friday 04 August 2006 00:37, John Goerzen wrote: > > > If your mailer makes you automatically go shouting on the push of a > > > button, it may be time to download the source and get some serious > > > hacking done. > > > > The ma

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Matthias Julius
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am on dozens of mailing lists. There are thousands of participants on > this list alone. I subscribe to, and leave, mailing lists all the time. > Why should a person with a personal preference expect me to shoulder the > burden of maintaining a mental

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Ben Finney
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers > as "hitting a button". A very specific button, especially for that > purpose. I expect my MUA to Do The Right Thing (TM). Most MUAs will do the right thing when you reply; they'll

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Thursday 03 August 2006 23:37, John Goerzen took the opportunity to say: > The mailer is doing the right thing. Sending a CC isn't a "shout". > > The sender isn't. If the sender doesn't want CCs, it's fully within the > sender's power to specify that in the list headers. Most senders on > thi

Work-needing packages report for Aug 4, 2006

2006-08-03 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 328 (new: 7) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 82 (new: 2) Total number of packages requeste