On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 11:55:22PM +0100, Guerkan Senguen wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
>
> * Package name: freebsd-manpages
> Version : 6.0
> Upstream Author : The FreeBSD Project
> * URL :
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.0-RELEASE/ma
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:02:57AM +0100, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 11:55:22PM +0100, Guerkan Senguen wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> >
> > * Package name: freebsd-manpages
> > Version : 6.0
> Wouldn't this package conflict with
On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 08:14:38PM -0500, Michael Poole wrote:
>
> Then please work to revise [Removed false premise fallacy]
Last time your argument was that free NDIS drivers exist, so the situation is
analogous to wine. Nobody bothered to check, but it turns out that only one
free driver exis
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 03:30:38AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:02:57AM +0100, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 11:55:22PM +0100, Guerkan Senguen wrote:
> > > Package: wnpp
> > > Severity: wishlist
> > >
> > > * Package name: freebsd
El sáb, 18-02-2006 a las 09:40 +0100, Robert Millan escribió:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 08:14:38PM -0500, Michael Poole wrote:
> >
> > Then please work to revise [Removed false premise fallacy]
>
> Last time your argument was that free NDIS drivers exist, so the situation is
> analogous to wine.
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:42:19AM +0100, David Weinehall wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 03:30:38AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:02:57AM +0100, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a
> > wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 11:55:22PM +0100, Guerkan Senguen wrote:
> > > > Pack
Hello,
I want to replace the upstream part of cflow by GNU cflow. Any comments
on that are welcome on this bug report : http://bugs.debian.org/353192
Regards,
Bart Martens
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On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:40:26AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> I'll ask again: Is the purpose of ndiswrapper running non-free drivers? If
> it
> isn't, show me a free, non-toy, non-POC driver that would prove otherwise.
Does the lack of a free driver which can be used with ndiswrapper mean
th
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 12:49:48PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:40:26AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> > I'll ask again: Is the purpose of ndiswrapper running non-free drivers?
> > If it
> > isn't, show me a free, non-toy, non-POC driver that would prove otherwise.
>
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Is your point that contrib should therefore be empty and has no reason for
> existance?
>
> If not, please explain me the difference between ndiswrapper and all the other
> packages that belong to contrib and already are in.
Contrib is for free packages
On 7/13/05, Andrew Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 14:44 +0100, Andrew Porter wrote:
> > AT&T have released the source to ksh93 under the CPL (Common Public
> > Licence)
> >
> > Are there any plans to create a debian package ?
>
> Bah - just found a package in unstable for
Robert Millan writes:
> Policy:
>
> "2.2.2 The contrib section
>
> [...]
> Examples of packages which would be included in contrib are:
>
Here's the part that you left out:
* free packages which require contrib, non-free packages or packages
which are not in our archive at all for compila
Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo writes:
> ...we should start by removing GPG signatures and md5sums from main, as
> those are invariant bits.
GPG signatures and md5sums are not licensed under non-free terms (in fact,
they are probably not protected by copyright at all). You are free to
change and/or redi
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 08:46:53AM -0500, Michael Poole wrote:
> But nasm requires such assembly for useful execution!
Dude, you're on crack. First, there's apparently free software in
main that you can compile with nasm to your heart's content, namely
crystalspace, drip, e3, effectv, extipl, fl
Anthony Towns writes:
> But even if that weren't the case, nasm is an assembler -- it doesn't
> rely on assembler code to do anything useful, its purpose is to translate
> assembler code. ndiswrapper isn't a driver compiler, it's a wrapper to
> allow existing drivers to run on Linux.
This apparen
Le samedi 18 février 2006 à 09:59 -0500, Michael Poole a écrit :
> Anthony Towns writes:
>
> > But even if that weren't the case, nasm is an assembler -- it doesn't
> > rely on assembler code to do anything useful, its purpose is to translate
> > assembler code. ndiswrapper isn't a driver compiler
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le samedi 18 février 2006 à 09:59 -0500, Michael Poole a écrit :
> > Anthony Towns writes:
> >
> > > But even if that weren't the case, nasm is an assembler -- it doesn't
> > > rely on assembler code to do anything useful, its purpose is to translate
> > > assembler cod
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 12:40:10PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote:
>> On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 18:00 +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
>> [...]
>> >
>> > First, I couldn't find any reference to a "GPLed NDIS driver" in
>> > ndiswrapper's
>> > website, like Michael
la, 2006-02-18 kello 10:43 -0500, Michael Poole kirjoitti:
> What's the purpose of an assembler without assembly code to use it on?
It can be used, for example, to assemble code you write yourself. That
is, after all, the primary purpose of programming tools: to help
programmers develop programs.
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:04:54PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > I see. From http://cipe-win32.sourceforge.net/ :
> > "CIPE-Win32 is a port of Olaf Titz's CIPE package from Linux to Windows
> > NT."
> > I think this is the cipe-source package in debian. If this driver is
> > already
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:59:07AM -0500, Michael Poole wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> > But even if that weren't the case, nasm is an assembler -- it doesn't
> > rely on assembler code to do anything useful, its purpose is to translate
> > assembler code. ndiswrapper isn't a driver compiler, it'
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:04:54PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow
> The availability to do this is enough even if there are other
> (possibly better) ways to do the same. One free driver _in_ Debian and
> the package should stay in main.
>
> But does the cipe-source build or ship the windows driver f
Anthony Towns writes:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:59:07AM -0500, Michael Poole wrote:
> > Anthony Towns writes:
> > > But even if that weren't the case, nasm is an assembler -- it doesn't
> > > rely on assembler code to do anything useful, its purpose is to translate
> > > assembler code. ndiswra
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:36:37PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:04:54PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow
> > The availability to do this is enough even if there are other
> > (possibly better) ways to do the same. One free driver _in_ Debian and
> > the package should stay in m
Brett Parker writes:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:36:37PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:04:54PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow
> > > The availability to do this is enough even if there are other
> > > (possibly better) ways to do the same. One free driver _in_ Debian and
>
Do you have a program that can change .rm to mp3 or wave files? If yes, how can I get one? Thanks Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:29:52AM -0800, Peter Khwatenge wrote:
> Do you have a program that can change .rm to mp3 or wave files? If
> yes, how can I get one?
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Le samedi 18 février 2006 à 17:36 +0100, Mike Hommey a écrit :
> > Which means you need some software (even if it is free) from outside
> > Debian for ndiswraper. That makes it contrib imho.
>
> Are there any free MSWord files in main ? No ? Then please move
> antiword and similar tools to contrib
> > First, I couldn't find any reference to a "GPLed NDIS driver" in
> > ndiswrapper's
> > website, like Michael Poole asserts:
> >
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg00381.html
> >
>
> I assume he was talking about the CIPE driver; it's linked right from
> the main ndiswrapper
Sorry to change the topic, but looking at some of the manpages in the
"manpages" package,
and some of the pages in the "manpages-dev" causes me no notice some pages
that look like they probably should be in a different package.
ld-linux(8)
ld-linux.so(8)
These probably belong in libc6 which ap
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:29:52AM -0800, Peter Khwatenge wrote:
> Do you have a program that can change .rm to mp3 or wave files? If yes, how
> can I get one?
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Peter,
there is software to do this but your questions should be asked on the
de
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Come on, please stop arguing with random, unsuited comparisons, and use
common sense : what's the purpose of ndiswrapper without non-free
drivers to use it on? We've always put things of the like in cont
Le samedi 18 février 2006 à 23:08 +0100, Arthur de Jong a écrit :
> Would the situation change (contrib-wise) if ndiswrapper were integrated
> into the kernel? Would we want to split the ndiswrapper part to contrib
> then?
In this case, the ndiswrapper functionality would become optional for
the
On Feb 18, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The same goes for a driver with a firmware.
Drivers do not have a firmware, hardware devices do.
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Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2006 23:08 schrieb Arthur de Jong:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Come on, please stop arguing with random, unsuited comparisons, and use
> > common sense : what's the purpose of ndiswrapper without non-free
> > drivers to use it on? We've always put thi
Le samedi 18 février 2006 à 23:34 +0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> On Feb 18, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The same goes for a driver with a firmware.
> Drivers do not have a firmware, hardware devices do.
Really? So all these drivers that come with an integrated firmware don'
Le samedi 18 février 2006 à 23:37 +0100, Hendrik Sattler a écrit :
> Maybe Debian should take one or two steps back to the point where it
> only requires source for something that can actually be compiled with
> something in Debian.
Ahem... so, to force the trait, you mean we could distribute any
Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2006 23:43 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
> Le samedi 18 février 2006 à 23:37 +0100, Hendrik Sattler a écrit :
> > Maybe Debian should take one or two steps back to the point where it
> > only requires source for something that can actually be compiled with
> > something in Debia
Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 00:30 +0100, Hendrik Sattler a écrit :
> So let me make it more precise: only source for something that can actually
> be
> compiled and runs on a system's host CPU.
> Me just doesn't get the rationale behind differing between firmware in a PROM
> and firmware that
Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 00:30 +0100, Hendrik Sattler a écrit :
> Me just doesn't get the rationale behind differing between firmware in a PROM
> and firmware that the driver loads into the hardware. There is none.
Oh, and please, dear trolls, stop raising the firmwares-in-main banner
in eac
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 08:24:32PM +0100, Olaf Titz wrote:
> > > First, I couldn't find any reference to a "GPLed NDIS driver" in
> > > ndiswrapper's
> > > website, like Michael Poole asserts:
> > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg00381.html
> > I assume he was talking about th
Joe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sorry to change the topic, but looking at some of the manpages in the
> "manpages" package, and some of the pages in the "manpages-dev" causes
> me no notice some pages that look like they probably should be in a
> different package.
Your points about sync(
On Feb 19, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder why all people go on trying to build up tons of different
> fallacious reasonings to keep firmwares in main.
Because it's good for Debian and is good for our users.
> Non-free is here for a
> reason, we just have to use it. Technic
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Feb 19, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I wonder why all people go on trying to build up tons of different
>> fallacious reasonings to keep firmwares in main.
> Because it's good for Debian and is good for our users.
Regardless, we a
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You definitely didn't get the point! It's about the target architecture, not
> the system. Even if you actually _have_ the source, you could not compile
> with _any_ compiler you have at hand.
This is not what the DFSG says. The DSFG says that all
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 00:30 +0100, Hendrik Sattler a écrit :
> > So let me make it more precise: only source for something that can actually
> > be
> > compiled and runs on a system's host CPU.
> > Me just doesn't get the rationale behind differing between firm
Scripsit Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Xavier Roche dijo [Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 10:55:57AM +0100]:
>> So a cat is a software, or a hardware ? Do I have to provide the sources
>> (the DNA full sequence) if I want to give a kitten to someone, following
>> the "free" spirit ? :p
> A cat is not li
Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sure. The unfortunate side effect is that some reasonable fraction of
> people who would use those drivers cannot install from install media
> that contain only Debian. They require bits of non-free. As is often
> pointed out, Debian has chosen (twice
Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Xavier Roche dijo [Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 10:55:57AM +0100]:
So a cat is a software, or a hardware ? Do I have to provide the sources
(the DNA full sequence) if I want to give a kitten to someone, following
the "free" s
Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 01:52 +0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> On Feb 19, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I wonder why all people go on trying to build up tons of different
> > fallacious reasonings to keep firmwares in main.
> Because it's good for Debian and is good for ou
Le samedi 18 février 2006 à 21:32 -0500, Michael Poole a écrit :
> > I wonder why all people go on trying to build up tons of different
> > fallacious reasonings to keep firmwares in main. Non-free is here for a
> > reason, we just have to use it. Technical solutions to have the driver
> > in the k
[Hendrik Sattler]
> Me just doesn't get the rationale behind differing between firmware
> in a PROM and firmware that the driver loads into the hardware.
> There is none.
Good, then we can stop talking about including it in main. We don't
ship hardware, so if firmware is part of the hardware, we
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