Re: DEBIAN SOCIOLOGICAL STUDY.

2005-07-02 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-01 23:34]: > > and we are doing a sociological survey on Debian in order to > > better understand the Debian community. > > didn't tbm do some research into this? Yes and no. There is currently a lot of interest in free software and various researchers st

Re: Libtool and packaging

2005-07-02 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > If someone has some info on this, do respond... If you do show what kind of source you are referring to, it might help. regards, junichi -- Junichi Uekawa, Debian Developer http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/ 183A 70FC 4732 1B87 57A5 CE82 D837 7D4E E81E 55C1 -- To UNSU

HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
What is the rationale for changing the default setting? I find it very annoying, and from a brief discussion on #debian-devel I see that I'm not alone. (BTW, would you mind fixing #284874? It's six months old and should be trivial...) -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/2/05, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the rationale for changing the default setting? > I find it very annoying, and from a brief discussion on #debian-devel I > see that I'm not alone. I guess it went from off to on? Wasn't there an issue with worms using the known hosts fi

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-07-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 09:43:04PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: > >Why can't we leave this to the maintainer or even local admins though? > > These are two very different cases, though. If a local admin installs a > new root cert, that's cool - they are taking responsibility for the > security

cpufrequtils init script in rcS.d

2005-07-02 Thread Mattia Dongili
Hello *, in closing #311604 I'm adding an init script to the package along with its /etc/default entry to set a default governor on boot. Anyway while reasoning on the script start order number I realized that it might be good to have it into rcS.d instead of the default choice. cpufreq-set only n

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Florian Weimer
* Marco d'Itri: > What is the rationale for changing the default setting? Reducing wormability. I think it's a pretty clever change. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

New gimp-print packages in experimental

2005-07-02 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, gimp-print (renamed to gutenprint) is near its 5.0 release. I've uploaded a prerelease to experimental, which is also available here: http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/gutenprint/experimental/4.3.99+cvs20050702-1/ It integrates with a numb

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 02, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What is the rationale for changing the default setting? > Reducing wormability. I think it's a pretty clever change. This is not what I asked, I know what this option is for. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/2/05, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the rationale for changing the default setting? > I find it very annoying, and from a brief discussion on #debian-devel I > see that I'm not alone. What causes this annoyance?

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 03:05:47PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Marco d'Itri: > > > What is the rationale for changing the default setting? > > Reducing wormability. I think it's a pretty clever change. Some of us actually do care what is listed in that file, and edit it from time to time.

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 02, Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/2/05, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What is the rationale for changing the default setting? > > I find it very annoying, and from a brief discussion on #debian-devel I > > see that I'm not alone. > What causes this annoya

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/2/05, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jul 02, Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 7/2/05, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What is the rationale for changing the default setting? > > > I find it very annoying, and from a brief discussion on #debian-

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Florian Weimer
* Marco d'Itri: > On Jul 02, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > What is the rationale for changing the default setting? >> Reducing wormability. I think it's a pretty clever change. > This is not what I asked, I know what this option is for. Given it's purpose, this option doesn't

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Florian Weimer
* Wouter Verhelst: > Some of us actually do care what is listed in that file, and edit it > from time to time. Hashing those names makes that much harder There should be tools supporting this, I agree. > -- and relying on other people's security to increase your own isn't > pretty clever, actual

X.Org transition and xlibs-static-* issues

2005-07-02 Thread David Nusinow
Hi everyone, We're in preparation to upload X.Org packages to unstable, and one of the things which will happen in this transition is a change in the way xlibs-static-* packages are handled. If your package build-depends on xlibs-static, you'll have to update your build-depends to deal with the

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 09:04:18PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst: > > > Some of us actually do care what is listed in that file, and edit it > > from time to time. Hashing those names makes that much harder > > There should be tools supporting this, I agree. There are tools su

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/2/05, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -- and relying on other people's security to increase your own isn't > > > pretty clever, actually. > > > > Currently, it's the foundation of Internet security, I'm afraid. > > Well, then the 'foundation of Internet security' is very weak

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 02, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, then the 'foundation of Internet security' is very weak, I'm > afraid. It's plain stupid to rely on someone else to get _your_ security > working correctly. Think about it. There is also the quite important point that even the most stup

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-07-02 Thread Gervase Markham
Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 09:43:04PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: Because we can't do it using a copyright licence? ;-P Perhaps I shouldn't have made that flippant comment. What do you mean you can't? You most certainly can, "just" rewrite the license to say that red

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 11:19:26AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > What is the rationale for changing the default setting? It's very likely to become the upstream default soon enough; they are merely waiting on more testing. Since this is unstable, I decided it was as good a time as any to provide so

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 09:04:18PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst: > > Some of us actually do care what is listed in that file, and edit it > > from time to time. Hashing those names makes that much harder > > There should be tools supporting this, I agree. There is such a tool,

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 11:42:40PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jul 02, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, then the 'foundation of Internet security' is very weak, I'm > > afraid. It's plain stupid to rely on someone else to get _your_ security > > working correctly. Think abou

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 11:42:40PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jul 02, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, then the 'foundation of Internet security' is very weak, I'm > > afraid. It's plain stupid to rely on someone else to get _your_ security > > working correctly. Think abou

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 08:17:57PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jul 02, Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 7/2/05, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What is the rationale for changing the default setting? > > > I find it very annoying, and from a brief discussion on

Re: HashKnownHosts

2005-07-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 03, Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The need to edit the file to add/update/remove IP addresses, hostnames > > and whole keys. > Then I'm afraid you simply haven't read the documentation ... I did. But I cannot remove entries if I do not know the hostname. -- ciao, Marco sig

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-07-02 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/2/05, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 09:43:04PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: > > These are two very different cases, though. If a local admin installs a > > new root cert, that's cool - they are taking responsibility for the > > security of those users, a