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Re: rudeness in general

2005-01-12 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Steve Greenland] > Guess what? This is not a paid support forum, or a commercial > organization. This is a *community*. Communities have cultures, > traditions, in-jokes, etc. You can either choose to be part of that > community, and learn to be part of the culture, or you can go join a > differen

removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Erik Schanze
Hello! As I understand, deleting start links with 'update-rc.d -f apache remove' is the Debian way of removing start calls for services at boot time. After every package upgrade of e. g. apache, I must call this command again, because start links were be installed again. Is it the normal behavi

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:41:34AM +0100, Erik Schanze wrote: > As I understand, deleting start links with 'update-rc.d -f apache remove' is > the Debian way of removing start calls for services at boot time. > > After every package upgrade of e. g. apache, I must call this command again, > beca

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Michal Politowski
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:41:34 +0100, Erik Schanze wrote: > As I understand, deleting start links with 'update-rc.d -f apache remove' is > the Debian way of removing start calls for services at boot time. No. Generally update-rc.d is a tool for maintainer scripts not for the admin to use. Its man

Bug#289132: ITP: ooo2dbk -- OpenOffice.org SXW to DocBook XML translator

2005-01-12 Thread Mohammed Adnène Trojette
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: ooo2dbk Version : 1.2.2-1 Upstream Author : Indesko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * URL : http://www.indesko.com/telechargements/ * License : LGPL Description : OpenOffice.org SXW to DocBook XML converter (sxw to xml)

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-12 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mer 12 Janvier 2005 01:31, Matthew Palmer a écrit : > [No Cc needed, as per list policy] > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:47:42PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > it's _quite_ true that you don't need to play with include_path. > > > your library has to know it's installed > > > into /usr/share

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-12 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mer 12 Janvier 2005 01:31, Matthew Palmer a écrit : > So you patch libfile2.php to require_once 'mylib/libfile1.php' > instead of just 'libfile1.php'. oh and btw, the suggestion I did is better (IMHO) : replace require_once 'libfile.php'; with require dirname(__FILE__).'/'.'libfile1.php'; be

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Erik Schanze
Hi Michal! Michal Politowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:41:34 +0100, Erik Schanze wrote: > > As I understand, deleting start links with 'update-rc.d -f apache remove' > > is the Debian way of removing start calls for services at boot time. > > No. Generally update-rc.d is a tool

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Vince
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 01:12:08AM -0500, William Ballard wrote: > And *I'm* being precise when I said "foo 1.0" is removed and not > replaced. This is what Cameron said: > > User runs "dpkg -i foo-modules_2.0_arch.deb" > > > > dpkg first removes foo-modules_1.0 > > dpkg then check dependencie

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:13:05AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Mer 12 Janvier 2005 01:31, Matthew Palmer a ?crit : > > [No Cc needed, as per list policy] > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:47:42PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > > it's _quite_ true that you don't need to play with includ

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-12 Thread Kees Leune
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:16:43 +0100, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le Mer 12 Janvier 2005 01:31, Matthew Palmer a écrit : > > So you patch libfile2.php to require_once 'mylib/libfile1.php' > > instead of just 'libfile1.php'. > > oh and btw, the suggestion I did is better (IMHO) : >

Re: rudeness in general

2005-01-12 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Petter Reinholdtsen | [Steve Greenland] | > Guess what? This is not a paid support forum, or a commercial | > organization. This is a *community*. Communities have cultures, | > traditions, in-jokes, etc. You can either choose to be part of that | > community, and learn to be part of the cultur

Re: rudeness in general

2005-01-12 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Tollef Fog Heen] > The question is what's considered rude. What's not rude on > debian-devel might be considered rude in other fora and vice versa. That might be your question, but it isn't mine. :) Calling someone a dickhead is rude in most fora. I suspect most of us know when we are trying t

dselect and its help messages

2005-01-12 Thread Domenico Andreoli
> dpkg (1.10.26) unstable; urgency=low > > * ... > > * Revert to current 'stable' behaviour of Space/Enter/'Q' in the dselect > help screen, Space leaves the help screen and Enter and 'Q' do nothing. > It's dangerous to encourage users to press Enter or 'Q' since they > commit cha

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-12 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mer 12 Janvier 2005 10:50, Kees Leune a écrit : > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:16:43 +0100, Pierre Habouzit > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Le Mer 12 Janvier 2005 01:31, Matthew Palmer a écrit : > > > So you patch libfile2.php to require_once 'mylib/libfile1.php' > > > instead of just 'libfile1.php

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 07:47:50PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > This is an excellent question for debian-user. Or Google. And a question which has been answered countless times and is even documented already (besides the manpage itself) at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howt

Re: dselect and its help messages

2005-01-12 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Domenico Andreoli wrote: [snip] > oh no, these are bad news :( > > i found it very fast using Enter to exit the help message. i'm not > talking about the first one shown on entering package selection but the > (usually "many") ones shown before dependency conflict resolution. it > was everything i

Re: Proper way to remove a package from both sarge and sid

2005-01-12 Thread Frederik Dannemare
Hi Martin On Tuesday 11 January 2005 21:40, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > Hi Frederik, > > On Tuesday, 11 Jan 2005, you wrote: > > BTW, what does RoM and RoQA mean? > > RoM: Request of Maintainer > RoQA: Request of QA Group Thanks, bug report sent away with subject of "RM: mozilla-firefox-locale-d

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050111 20:10]: > > Of course this is the right way to do, but sometimes users are > > lazy (or just expect different things, and some of them appear here, > > with their arrogant attitude, pissed and beeing polemic). > > > Actually users will be more like

How to build libapache-mod

2005-01-12 Thread Milan P. Stanic
Hi! Anyone can give a pointer for doc's how to build apache modules for Debian? I already looked at some examples but that didn't helped much. Sorry if this question answered already or the location of doc's (policy) is easy to find. TIA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a su

Re: How to build libapache-mod

2005-01-12 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Milan, * Milan P. Stanic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-12 14:16]: > Anyone can give a pointer for doc's how to build apache modules > for Debian? I already looked at some examples but that didn't > helped much. > > Sorry if this question answered already or the location of doc's > (policy) i

Re: rudeness in general

2005-01-12 Thread Steve Greenland
On 12-Jan-05, 02:05 (CST), Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being part of a community or not being paid is not a valid excuse for > being rude to others. I happen to be part of this community too, and > I do not treasure being rude as a positive side of the debian > community. Bu

Re: rudeness in general

2005-01-12 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 00:06 +, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you want sweetness and light, just tell them which document to read. If I want sweetness and light I don't pretend that I think somebody needs to have explained what documentat

Re: How to build libapache-mod

2005-01-12 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
On 2005-01-12, Milan P. Stanic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry if this question answered already or the location of doc's > (policy) is easy to find. apache-dev includes `/usr/share/doc/apache-dev/README.modules' which contains a set of simple guidelines on how to integrate external Apache modu

Re: dselect and its help messages

2005-01-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 11:19 +0100, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > > dpkg (1.10.26) unstable; urgency=low > > * Revert to current 'stable' behaviour of Space/Enter/'Q' in the dselect > > help screen, Space leaves the help screen and Enter and 'Q' do nothing. > > It's dangerous to encourage us

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 21:57 -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > What would be the impact on (c)debootstrap of changing the operation > of dpkg? > Forget the impact on debootstrap, the impact on APT and dselect is pretty huge. dpkg is designed to be able to unpack packages while their dependencies

Re: dselect and its help messages

2005-01-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 11:19:26AM +0100, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > > dpkg (1.10.26) unstable; urgency=low > > * Revert to current 'stable' behaviour of Space/Enter/'Q' in the dselect > > help screen, Space leaves the help screen and Enter and 'Q' do nothing. > > It's dangerous to encour

Re: How to build libapache-mod

2005-01-12 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 02:19:32PM +0100, Nico Golde wrote: > Hello Milan, > > * Milan P. Stanic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-12 14:16]: > > Anyone can give a pointer for doc's how to build apache modules > > for Debian? I already looked at some examples but that didn't ^

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread William Ballard
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 03:06:06PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > What William Ballard, Cameron Hutchinson and Eduard Bloch are asking for > is to remove the difference between Depends and Pre-Depends and make all > Depends behave like Pre-Depends. No: I do not want dependencies to be INSTALL

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Matthew Dempsky
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Recommends means "packages that would be found together with this one in all > but unusual installations". It is not unusual to have a single designated > build machine in an organization, which may or may not ever have the final > binary packages inst

Re: How to build libapache-mod

2005-01-12 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 03:44:45PM +0100, Michael Ablassmeier wrote: > On 2005-01-12, Milan P. Stanic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry if this question answered already or the location of doc's > > (policy) is easy to find. > > apache-dev includes `/usr/share/doc/apache-dev/README.modules' whi

Editing history... (about debian/changelog in experimental)

2005-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Hi all, it seems to be consensus that one should generally not "correct" older changelog entries, like adding (closes: #...) if it turns out later that this bug had been closed by this release. I am wondering whether there is an exception to this rule, namely packages in experimental. The changel

Re: Editing history... (about debian/changelog in experimental)

2005-01-12 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 05:10:39PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: > Hi all, > > it seems to be consensus that one should generally not "correct" older > changelog entries, like adding (closes: #...) if it turns out later that > this bug had been closed by this release. I am wondering whether there >

Re: rudeness in general

2005-01-12 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Steve Greenland wrote: And yes, community standards can and do change. But they don't get changed by people whining about them; they get changed by the members behaving differently. ACK. This standard of a community can be different to that, what individuals would expect. As a result the activity

Compiling libc4 on Debian unstable

2005-01-12 Thread Hal Niner
Hello! I need to compile libc4 on a brand-new unstable Debian machine in order to run a 10-year old executable (it only needs /libc.so.4). I believe it is doable (famous last words!), but I wanted to consult this list (which I hope is the correct one) in order to check if there is somebody out th

Re: Compiling libc4 on Debian unstable

2005-01-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 12, Hal Niner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need to compile libc4 on a brand-new unstable Debian machine in > order to run a 10-year old executable (it only needs /libc.so.4). I > believe it is doable (famous last words!), but I wanted to consult It /may/ be doable, but not without a lot

Re: Compiling libc4 on Debian unstable

2005-01-12 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Hal Niner wrote: > I need to compile libc4 on a brand-new unstable Debian machine in > order to run a 10-year old executable (it only needs /libc.so.4). I > believe it is doable (famous last words!), but I wanted to consult > this list (which I hope is the correct one) in ord

Re: Compiling libc4 on Debian unstable

2005-01-12 Thread Matthew Garrett
Hal Niner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello! > > I need to compile libc4 on a brand-new unstable Debian machine in > order to run a 10-year old executable (it only needs /libc.so.4). I > believe it is doable (famous last words!), but I wanted to consult > this list (which I hope is the correct o

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-12 Thread Florian Weimer
* Frederik Dannemare: > I'll dare to take the other route and ask: what is now holding back > software such as mplayer/mencoder, transcode and mjpegtools from > entering Debian? Same as ever, sufficiently influential people oppose it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subj

Re: Editing history... (about debian/changelog in experimental)

2005-01-12 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Frank KÃster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > it seems to be consensus that one should generally not "correct" older > changelog entries, like adding (closes: #...) if it turns out later that > this bug had been closed by this release. I am wondering whether there > is an exception to this rule, nam

copyright vs. license

2005-01-12 Thread Justin Pryzby
Hi all, I've been manually filing bugs against packages with improper copyright files, as per this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02190.html I stopped when I started gettign consecutive bug numbers :) I've been using Severity: normal, although it is arguably a violati

Re: Editing history... (about debian/changelog in experimental)

2005-01-12 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 01:01:34PM -0500, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > ... or put an entry in the latest changelog block with a parenthetical > remark saying that bug was actually fixed by version x.y-z. I've seen this done more often, and frankly, in my opinion this really is ugly. There is text in a

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread William Ballard
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:05:00AM -0600, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Recommends means "packages that would be found together with this one in all > > but unusual installations". It is not unusual to have a single designated > > build machine in an or

Re: Proper way to remove a package from both sarge and sid

2005-01-12 Thread Frederik Dannemare
On Tuesday 11 January 2005 20:29, Frederik Dannemare wrote: > Hi, > > how should I properly approach the removal of a package which I > maintain? > > Package in question is mozilla-firefox-locale-da which is to be > replaced by mozilla-firefox-locale-da-dk (not maintained by me) from > source packa

Re: Editing history... (about debian/changelog in experimental)

2005-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Jay Berkenbilt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I personally feel that adding new changelog "blocks" is okay but > editing old changelog blocks isn't okay, even if you are going to do a > subsequent build with a -v when you go back to unstable. I would > either close the bug manually or put an entry

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Andres Salomon
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:05:00 -0600, Matthew Dempsky wrote: [...] > If a new version of ndiswrapper-utils is not backwards-compatible with > an old version of ndiswrapper-modules, shouldn't it declare a > versioned Conflicts with those older versions or else when you try to > upgrade you'll have pro

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Forget the impact on debootstrap, the impact on APT and dselect is > pretty huge. dpkg is designed to be able to unpack packages while their > dependencies are not yet fulfilled. But don't apt and dselect already invoke dpkg with special options

Re: Proper way to remove a package from both sarge and sid

2005-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2005 20:29, Frederik Dannemare wrote: >> Package in question is mozilla-firefox-locale-da which is to be >> replaced by mozilla-firefox-locale-da-dk (not maintained by me) from >> source package mozilla-firefox-locale-all. >> >>

Re: Proper way to remove a package from both sarge and sid

2005-01-12 Thread Frederik Dannemare
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 19:39, Frank Küster wrote: > Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 January 2005 20:29, Frederik Dannemare wrote: > >> Package in question is mozilla-firefox-locale-da which is to be > >> replaced by mozilla-firefox-locale-da-dk (not maintained

Re: soname number in name of dev-package?

2005-01-12 Thread Jens Peter Secher
Anthony Towns writes: > Frank Küster wrote: > > > Do I understand right that you recommend not to use libfoo1-dev, > > libfoo2-dev generally, but that the most recent version should be just > > libfoo-dev? The Debian library packaging guide gives the opposite > > advice, to use libfoo-dev always,

Re: Proper way to remove a package from both sarge and sid

2005-01-12 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Frank Küster wrote: > Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tuesday 11 January 2005 20:29, Frederik Dannemare wrote: > >> Package in question is mozilla-firefox-locale-da which is to be > >> replaced by mozilla-firefox-locale-da-dk (not maintained by me) from

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-12 Thread Eric Dorland
* Florian Weimer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > * Frederik Dannemare: > > > I'll dare to take the other route and ask: what is now holding back > > software such as mplayer/mencoder, transcode and mjpegtools from > > entering Debian? > > Same as ever, sufficiently influential people oppose it. W

Re: rudeness in general

2005-01-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:09:18 +0100, Helmut Wollmersdorfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > My few attempts to step into debian as a contributor ended after some > hours of senseless discussions or waste of time against unnecessary > barriers. Compared against average OSS, or OSS where I contribu

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 18:28 +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > What's interesting is nobody has jumped in on this thread to point out > > that dpkg *has* a dependency field for forcing checking of dependencies > > before the package is unpacked.

Re: copyright vs. license

2005-01-12 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Justin Pryzby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Copyright: > GPL 2.0 > Copyright: Most recent version of the GPL. > Copyright: > [GPL follows] http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tcopyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-gpl.html lists 264 packages. Some of the

Re: copyright vs. license

2005-01-12 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 12:52 -0500, Justin Pryzby wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been manually filing bugs against packages with improper > copyright files, as per this thread: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02190.html > > I stopped when I started gettign consecutive bug numbers

Re: soname number in name of dev-package?

2005-01-12 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jens Peter Secher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But the advice in the library packaging guide is to do something like > Package: libpackage2-dev > Provides: libpackage-dev > Conflicts: libpackage-dev > AFAICT the above approach offers nothing more than simply > Package:

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Erik Schanze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> PS. this is a topic for debian-user not debian-devel > Right, but I asked for a package for bug reporting. That is, too, within debian-user's topic. -- Henning Makholm "It will be useful even at this

Re: Editing history... (about debian/changelog in experimental)

2005-01-12 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 01:01:34PM -0500, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: >> ... or put an entry in the latest changelog block with a parenthetical >> remark saying that bug was actually fixed by version x.y-z. > > I've seen this done more often, and frank

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 11:52 am, Scott James Remnant wrote: > It's breaking elegance to fix something I'm not convinced is a problem. Just to be clear: you mean the elegance of the dpkg code, not its external behavior, right? Because I don't see anything elegant about erroring out and l

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 12:26 -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Wednesday 12 January 2005 11:52 am, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > It's breaking elegance to fix something I'm not convinced is a problem. > > Just to be clear: you mean the elegance of the dpkg code, not its external > behavior, ri

Re: How to build libapache-mod

2005-01-12 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* "Milan P. Stanic" | I thought such file is in the apache-dev and my first search was | there but without luck. After your answer I think that must be for | the testing/unstable, but not for stable. | And I have only stable/woody. You really don't want to develop new packages for apache 1 and c

Re: soname number in name of dev-package?

2005-01-12 Thread Jens Peter Secher
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Scripsit Jens Peter Secher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > But the advice in the library packaging guide is to do something like > > Package: libpackage2-dev > > Provides: libpackage-dev > > Conflicts: libpackage-dev > > AFAICT the above approach

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread William Ballard
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 08:37:04PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > Why not? It means that you just need to go fetch and install the > dependency, you don't need to try and install the depending package > again. Yeah, that's real "elegant." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 12:37 pm, Scott James Remnant wrote: > On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 12:26 -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > On Wednesday 12 January 2005 11:52 am, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > > It's breaking elegance to fix something I'm not convinced is a problem. > > > >   Just to be clear

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Joey Hess
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Yes: don't remove ALL the links. If you keep some (eg all the K stop > links), update-rc.d will not add any new ones. I dunno, I've seen some strange things lately with bind9 and ipmasq links that I'm quite sure were only disabled at rc2.d coming back on upgrade. Not conclu

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 12:26 -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: >> Just to be clear: you mean the elegance of the dpkg code, not its >> external behavior, right? Because I don't see anything elegant >> about erroring out and leaving an operation half-c

Re: soname number in name of dev-package?

2005-01-12 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jens Peter Secher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If the source-level API differs, then having libpackage2-dev will >> allow other packages to Build-Depend on the API they are written >> against. Of course this is especially relevant when the API chang

Re: How to build libapache-mod

2005-01-12 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:25:12PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > You really don't want to develop new packages for apache 1 and > certainly not for the apache in woody. Woody's apache is broken in > so many and interesting ways it's beyond funny and into the scary > territory. Apache 1 is going

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Will Lowe
> > This is an excellent question for debian-user. Or Google. > > And a question which has been answered countless times and is even Given that this comes up so often, is there a reason not to add an option to update-rc.d that does this? The problem here is that "remove" sounds like "disable th

Bug#290131: ITP: mocp -- ncurses based console audio player

2005-01-12 Thread Michal Jeczalik Jr
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: mocp Version : 2.1.4 Upstream Author : Damian Pietras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://moc.daper.net/ * License : GPL Description : ncurses based console audio player mocp (music on console player) is a

_AMS_SOFTWARE_

2005-01-12 Thread Andi Anton
Hi, We are a small company from Romania - AMS Software - that produces multimedia software.We made a programming language, especially created to make multimedia applications, called MPL (Multimedia Programming Language). The main advantage of this project is that MPL applications runs on all the p

Re: rudeness in general

2005-01-12 Thread Wim De Smet
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 11:48:05AM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:09:18 +0100, Helmut Wollmersdorfer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > > My few attempts to step into debian as a contributor ended after some > > hours of senseless discussions or waste of time against

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
[No Cc please, as per list policy] On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:16:43AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Mer 12 Janvier 2005 01:31, Matthew Palmer a ?crit : > > So you patch libfile2.php to require_once 'mylib/libfile1.php' > > instead of just 'libfile1.php'. > > oh and btw, the suggestion I did

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Erik Schanze
Will Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Given that this comes up so often, is there a reason not to add an > option to update-rc.d that does this? The problem here is that > "remove" sounds like "disable this". > > I'm thinking have "update-rc.d -f foo disable" do the same thing as > "update-rc.d -f foo

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-12 Thread Pierre Habouzit
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:16:43AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > Le Mer 12 Janvier 2005 01:31, Matthew Palmer a ?crit : > > > So you patch libfile2.php to require_once 'mylib/libfile1.php' > > > instead of just 'libfile1.php'. > > > > oh and btw, the suggestion I did is better (IMHO) : > > >

Re: copyright vs. license

2005-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 12:52:06PM -0500, Justin Pryzby wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been manually filing bugs against packages with improper > copyright files, as per this thread: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02190.html The example here is not a good one. While it's not de

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-12 Thread William Ballard
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 01:38:28PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > Of course. No one has provided proof that this is the case, though. I > asked if a versioned depends was necessary, but instead got accusations > and vitriol. I have not had time to test it myself yet. Some of the other *-source

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-12 Thread Anthony Towns
Andreas Barth wrote: with ideas and code (and a lot more) from Anthony, I was able to put together the server part for partial patches in a way that it seems to me that it might be included in dak. The resulting files are available from deb http://merkel.debian.org/~aba/debian sid main contrib non

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Olaf Conradi
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:55:03 +0100, Erik Schanze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'm thinking have "update-rc.d -f foo disable" do the same thing as > > "update-rc.d -f foo remove && update-rc.d foo stop stop 0", and > > clearly document this in the manual page, so t

Can you disables the "locking" of the keyboard, mouse, ...

2005-01-12 Thread Osamu Aoki
Dear gksu maintainer Can you make gksu's default behavior to be "gksu --disable-grub" ? I think we loose nothing significant by doing this. We gain remote access and we gain stable invocation of configuration tools under CJK environment where input method (IM) support is needed as I read BTS. Si

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread Will Lowe
> It does exactly as suggested above: > * remove existing symlinks > * add stop with priority 0 > * remember original priorities when enabling them later on ... but is not scriptable. I'm thinking of environments like a large number of hosts managed with cfengine -- update-rc.d is a handy one-lin

Re: Bug#271567: Can you disables the "locking" of the keyboard, mouse, ...

2005-01-12 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Qui, 2005-01-13 Ãs 01:31 +0100, Osamu Aoki escreveu: > Dear gksu maintainer Hey Osamu, I've been really bad at responding to your queries lately, I'm very soory about that =/ > Can you make gksu's default behavior to be "gksu --disable-grub" ? s/grub/grab/, FWIW After reading your e-mail, I

Re: hwcap supporting architectures?

2005-01-12 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:27:28 +0100, Falk Hueffner wrote: > > Marcelo E. Magallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Mesa upstream uses -mcpu=ev5 -mieee on alpha. Is that ok? Where does > >> this belong into? /usr/lib/ev5? > > > > IIRC, alpha does not define any hwcaps. > > There's a patch for thi

Re: hwcap supporting architectures?

2005-01-12 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:03:44 -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Note that MMX will be removed from the next glibc 2.3.4 upload. It > > will provide only SSE2 (and CMOV, debian-specific for only VIA C3 > > processor). > > Well, there's hand-crafted MMX code, so it's runt

Re: Compiling libc4 on Debian unstable

2005-01-12 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Matthew Garrett in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Can't you just grab a libc4 deb from archive.debian.org? That worked > fine last time I tried it. [0] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ $host archive.debian.org archive.debian.org has address 208.185.25.38 [0] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ $host 208.185.25.38 38.25.185.208.in-

Re: soname number in name of dev-package?

2005-01-12 Thread Stephen Frost
* Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > In summary: Yes, one could probably work around the lack of versions > in the -dev packages name, but the result would be (in my view) > significantly less elegant than having it there. Trying to support unsupported versions of libraries is decidely w

Re: APT Repository HOWTO

2005-01-12 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 09:44:26AM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > Quoting Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hello > > > > Instead of doing all this by hand I can recommend my own package > > debarchiver. The latest versions of it do this pretty good in > > an automatic way. > > > > Just

Re: dselect and its help messages

2005-01-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 03:20:19PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > The change *to* Enter was the thing that broke dselect for those of us > who have been using it since woody and earlier. Switching back to the > old behaviour unbroke it. As the changelog message states, encouraging > people to press E

Re: copyright vs. license

2005-01-12 Thread Matthew Dempsky
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For a GPLed project, the declaration looks something like this: > > * Copyright (C) Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Shouldn't you include a year? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Is debhelper build-essential?

2005-01-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
The stats: 8,920 source packages in Debian unstable main. 8,254 declare a build-dependency on debhelper = 92% of packages build-depend on debhelper. Is that sufficient to declare it build-essential? The downside: Package: debhelper Depends: perl (>= 5.6.0-16), coreutils | fileutil

Re: dselect and its help messages

2005-01-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 14:00 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 03:20:19PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > The change *to* Enter was the thing that broke dselect for those of us > > who have been using it since woody and earlier. Switching back to the > > old behaviour unbroke it

Re: Is debhelper build-essential?

2005-01-12 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:07:29AM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > The stats: > > 8,920 source packages in Debian unstable main. > 8,254 declare a build-dependency on debhelper > > = 92% of packages build-depend on debhelper. > > Is that sufficient to declare it build-essential? > >

Re: soname number in name of dev-package?

2005-01-12 Thread Anthony Towns
Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Jens Peter Secher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But the advice in the library packaging guide is to do something like Package: libpackage2-dev Provides: libpackage-dev Conflicts: libpackage-dev If the source-level API differs, then having libpackage2-de

Re: partial patches - server application

2005-01-12 Thread Steve Langasek
Works a little better with the following patch to untiffani: --- /usr/local/bin/untuttifrutti2005-01-12 21:54:38.0 -0800 +++ /usr/local/bin/untiffani2005-01-12 21:27:07.0 -0800 @@ -16,7 +16,7 @@ c_size="-1" cur_sha1 () { if [ "$c_sha1" = "" ]; then -c_sha1=$(sh

Re: Is debhelper build-essential?

2005-01-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10168 March 1977, Scott James Remnant wrote: > = 92% of packages build-depend on debhelper. > It can be argued that these are already effectively build-essential due > to the high number of packages build-depending on them anyway. I think it should be b-e, but with a versioned dep thats high

Re: removed start links are back after upgrade

2005-01-12 Thread George Danchev
On Thursday 13 January 2005 02:29, Will Lowe wrote: > > It does exactly as suggested above: > > * remove existing symlinks > > * add stop with priority 0 > > * remember original priorities when enabling them later on > > ... but is not scriptable. I'm thinking of environments like a large > number