Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 09:51:54PM -0600, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 05:17:19PM -0600, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > >> It seems like the common case for wanting to install a kernel module > >> source package is to build the module an

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-10 Thread William Ballard
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 11:07:52PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > in ways that were not backwards-compatible: automatically pulling in the > -utils could render the system networkless before you've even started to > *build* the modules... In theory, yes if ndiswrapper-modules has a versioned depen

Re: If *-module depends on *-utils, should *-source recommend it?

2005-01-10 Thread Cameron Hutchison
Once upon a time Scott James Remnant said... > On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 11:15 +1100, Cameron Hutchison wrote: > > > dpkg first removes foo-modules_1.0 > > dpkg then check dependencies of foo-modules_2.0 > > dpkg complains that foo-utils is not installed and aborts the > > installation of foo-modules_

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * William Ballard [Sun, Jan 09 2005, 10:12:13PM]: > All: > > Some of you have probably seen my gripes about ndiswrapper-source. > I moved on past all that -- but upstream is debianizing it and > it's better in many ways. Stop abusing Debian-Devel for your private wars and file a proper

Re: rudeness in changelogs

2005-01-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Joey Hess: > Andrew Suffield wrote: >>* New upstream release (closes: #270944, #277543). It's less than two >> weeks since this was released; may you contract an interesting >> venereal disease. > > Is this really called for in changelogs? Note that the bug reports were > perfectly

Re: rudeness in changelogs

2005-01-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Steve Langasek: [DJB's vulnerability research course] > Considering the assignment AIUI was "find security holes", I think the assignment was "find potential security holes and prove that they are security holes, by writing exploits". The first part is easy, just compile any sufficiently obsc

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread Andres Salomon
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:12:13 -0500, William Ballard wrote: > All: > > Some of you have probably seen my gripes about ndiswrapper-source. > I moved on past all that -- but upstream is debianizing it and > it's better in many ways. > > The alternate location is: > http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.ne

Re: Why does Debian distributed firmware not need to be Depends: upon? [was Re: LCC and blobs]

2005-01-10 Thread Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
> > And I still don't think anyone could argue that it would be reasonable > to stick a driver on a Debian CD with a README that says "if you want > to use this driver, you'll need to write a firmware file for your SCSI > card. Use the following assembler" > I never said the USER HAS to wri

teTeX-3.0 release candidate in experimental (including libkpathsea4), please test

2005-01-10 Thread Frank Küster
Hello, I have just uploaded packages for teTeX-2.99.7, the first release candidate of teTeX-3.0, into experimental. An upload of the more recent rc2, 2.99.8, will follow in a couple of days. I would be glad if people could test this. Of special interest is whether packages Build-depending on libk

Re: rudeness in general

2005-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 11:55 +1100, Sam Watkins wrote: > On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:14PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: [snip] > I ask people to please make a great effort to be polite and > "professional" in representing Debian. Please don't tell newbies to go > RTFM Sure you should. I remember,

Re: rudeness in general

2005-01-10 Thread David Mandelberg
Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 11:55 +1100, Sam Watkins wrote: > >>On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:14PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > [snip] > >>I ask people to please make a great effort to be polite and >>"professional" in representing Debian. Please don't tell newbies to go >>RTF

Serious problem with the tty terminal - HELP!

2005-01-10 Thread Bjorn Johansson
Hello. I have a problem with the text (tty) terminals. The problem is that if I move from the x-server to an tty text terminal I can't go back and I can't switch to another tty terminal either. The only way to get back to X is to kill the x-server. This problem has arised since I deleted all

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread William Ballard
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 03:45:56AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > Gee, the latest ndiswrapper has a bug. Downgrade to the one in > testing, or upgrade to the one I uploaded today. It's not the > end of the world. Perhaps you could even be helpful and let me > know whether rc2 hangs in the same w

a project with libglib2.0-dev

2005-01-10 Thread Baurjan Ismagulov
Hello, I'm developing an application using libglib2.0-dev and automake 1.7. I'm using AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0 macro in my configure.ac. In the default installation, aclocal fails to find the macro unless I link /usr/share/aclocal/glib-2.0.m4 to /usr/share/aclocal-1.7. Is there a good way to build the pr

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread David Pashley
On Jan 10, 2005 at 14:31, William Ballard praised the llamas by saying: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 03:45:56AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > > Gee, the latest ndiswrapper has a bug. Downgrade to the one in > > testing, or upgrade to the one I uploaded today. It's not the > > end of the world. Per

Help me test new pcmcia-cs

2005-01-10 Thread Per Olofsson
Hi, I've uploaded a new version of the pcmcia-cs package to experimental, 3.2.8-2. This package has a lot of new features, including: * Latest upstream version. * Starts much earlier on boot, in the S runlevel. * Doesn't ifup network cards, lets hotplug handle them instead. * Detects some problem

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 09:31 -0500, William Ballard wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 03:45:56AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > > Gee, the latest ndiswrapper has a bug. Downgrade to the one in > > testing, or upgrade to the one I uploaded today. It's not the > > end of the world. Perhaps you could

Re: Serious problem with the tty terminal - HELP!

2005-01-10 Thread Simon Raven / Eric S. CÃtÃ
Le lun 2005-01-10 a 09:19:17 -0500, Bjorn Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a dit: > > Hello. > > I have a problem with the text (tty) terminals. The problem is that if I move > from the x-server to an tty text terminal I can't go back and I can't switch > to another tty terminal either. The only w

Re: APT Repository HOWTO

2005-01-10 Thread Simon Raven / Eric S. CÃtÃ
Le dim 2005-01-09 a 14:20:10 -0500, Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a dit: > Quoting "Simon Raven / Eric S. CÃÂtÃÂ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Thanks. Fixed. I seem to make that typo quite a bit. If you don't believe > me you should see some of the bug's I've submitted to BTS. Apparently,

Re: Serious problem with the tty terminal - HELP!

2005-01-10 Thread David Pashley
On Jan 10, 2005 at 15:08, Simon Raven / Eric S. Côté praised the llamas by saying: > Le lun 2005-01-10 a 09:19:17 -0500, Bjorn Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a dit: > > > > Hello. > > > > I have a problem with the text (tty) terminals. The problem is that if I > > move > > from the x-server to

System snapshots

2005-01-10 Thread Teemu Ikonen
Hi all, Occasionally, upgrading a Debian unstable (or testing) system results in breakage. Sometimes the bugs are not immediately detected, or they are not easily located to a single package, especially if the upgrade in question contained many libraries or other shared code. Thus it would be usef

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread Andres Salomon
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:57:48 +, David Pashley wrote: [...] > Unless I've got this very wrong, but the ndiswrapper source supplied in > the SF deb is different to the source provided in the Debian package in > the archive. This suggests it isn't down to the packaging. You are correct; they are

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread William Ballard
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 09:00:18AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > That's still no reason to rip the d-d. I didn't rip it. I said I'm not griping -- just remarked on the fact that the upstream is already Debianized and is not broken. I don't think the maintainer even uses ndiswrapper on his system.

Re: a project with libglib2.0-dev

2005-01-10 Thread Frederic Peters
Baurjan Ismagulov wrote: > I'm developing an application using libglib2.0-dev and automake 1.7. I'm > using AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0 macro in my configure.ac. In the default > installation, aclocal fails to find the macro unless I link > /usr/share/aclocal/glib-2.0.m4 to /usr/share/aclocal-1.7. Probably

Re: a project with libglib2.0-dev

2005-01-10 Thread Michael Koch
Am Montag, 10. Januar 2005 17:06 schrieb Baurjan Ismagulov: > Hello, > > I'm developing an application using libglib2.0-dev and automake > 1.7. I'm using AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0 macro in my configure.ac. In the > default installation, aclocal fails to find the macro unless I link > /usr/share/aclocal/glib

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 11:06 -0500, William Ballard wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 09:00:18AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > That's still no reason to rip the d-d. > > I didn't rip it. I said I'm not griping -- just remarked on > the fact that the upstream is already Debianized and is not > broke

Re: Serious problem with the tty terminal - HELP!

2005-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 15:03 +0100, Bjorn Johansson wrote: [snip] > This problem has arised since I deleted all files i /lib. Then I reinstalled Deleted all files in /lib, eh? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C0

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 10:12:13PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: > All: > > Some of you have probably seen my gripes about ndiswrapper-source. > I moved on past all that -- but upstream is debianizing it and > it's better in many ways. > Frankly speaking, I see no reason to not simply bugging th

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread William Ballard
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:15:06AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > "shove ... down everybody's throat" > "You've F'd it up beyond all recognition" I filed a bug nice and the guy closed it about 14 minutes later immediately saying "there is no problem." The maintainer is dead-set on following his ch

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread William Ballard
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 05:21:53PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > identify problems, both in upstream and packaged versions. Posting in > d-d is at least inappropriate. It's an open list. The problem is the upstream has the goal of producing a package that works and another guy is trying

Re: System snapshots

2005-01-10 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:42:17 +0200 || Teemu Ikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ti> I've been playing with putting the /etc directory plus a list of currently ti> installed packages and their versions under version control. In principle, ti> a "rollback" to any previous system state would be pos

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread David Pashley
On Jan 10, 2005 at 16:24, William Ballard praised the llamas by saying: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:15:06AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > "shove ... down everybody's throat" > > "You've F'd it up beyond all recognition" > > I filed a bug nice and the guy closed it about 14 minutes later > immedi

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread Andreas Barth
* William Ballard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050110 17:35]: > Listen, I'm just going to say this and not reply to all the bazillion > other flames which are coming: > > The upstream is better. It's already Debianized. Do not use the one in > the Debian archive. I consider this as rude. Cheers, An

Re: System snapshots

2005-01-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Teemu Ikonen] > Thus it would be useful to know what has changed in a past upgrade, > or when a certain package was last upgraded. Unfortunately, apt and > dpkg do not have built-in logging (see #134694). I tell apt-listchanges to email me a list of changes on every upgrade, and can thus use the

NFS Trouble using custom install CD w/ linux-2.4.27-1

2005-01-10 Thread Michael S. Peek
Hello all, I've reached the end of my rope with this and I'm left scratching my head. I'm hoping someone out there has more of a clue than I do. I'm building a set of custom installation CDs for our network. The client boots from a ramdisk image on the CD, loads modules, set up networking, and

Re: System snapshots

2005-01-10 Thread Teemu Ikonen
On 10/01/05 14:32, Otavio Salvador wrote: > || On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:42:17 +0200 > || Teemu Ikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ti> I've been playing with putting the /etc directory plus a list of currently > ti> installed packages and their versions under version control. In principle, > ti>

Re: System snapshots

2005-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 06:44:14PM +0200, Teemu Ikonen wrote: > Maybe (and probably) some packages modify their data (which is not part of > the package) so that downgrade is not possible, but I'd guess this kind of > packages are not that common. Anything that is linked to libdb is your biggest p

Re: Bug#289385: RFH: cdrtools -- searching co-maintainer for the package

2005-01-10 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 08:13:46PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >Joerg Jaspert writes: >> >>Package: wnpp >>Severity: normal >> >>Hi >> >>Unfortunately we dont have the time the package needs, so help is >>needed. Ideally you should know a bit of C and of Debian Packaging. You >>should also know cd

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The upstream is better. It's already Debianized. Do not use the one in > > the Debian archive. > > I consider this as rude. But it's true. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (i.A. des IT-Zentrum) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charite - Universitätsmedizin Berlin

Re: System snapshots

2005-01-10 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:44:14 +0200 || Teemu Ikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ti> On 10/01/05 14:32, Otavio Salvador wrote: >> || On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:42:17 +0200 >> || Teemu Ikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ti> I've been playing with putting the /etc directory plus a list of currently

RE: Mail Delivery (failure sales@makelabel.com)

2005-01-10 Thread Chris Vassilos
This message has been generated automatically.   If you have sent an email with an attachment, please be sure that your intended recipient is aware.  As a general policy, we immediately delete all emails with attachments that we are not expecting - even from known contacts and colleagues. 

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * William Ballard [Mon, Jan 10 2005, 11:32:45AM]: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 05:21:53PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > > identify problems, both in upstream and packaged versions. Posting in > > d-d is at least inappropriate. > > It's an open list. There is some reason for its ex

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread William Ballard
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 06:14:05PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > What are other packages?! The other packages which depend on module-assistant. > the module-assistant package (about 40kB) but provides some comfort for > users and comfort, code size reduction, extendability, automatic feature > upg

Re: System snapshots

2005-01-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Otavio Salvador] > No because some applications doesn't depends only of configuration > files but data-files. When you purge then, all data files will be > removed together (in major of times). Another problem is how you can > revert upgrade processes in database files and like? RPM have a featur

Bug#289712: ITP: libncar-graphics -- scientific visualization suite from UCAR

2005-01-10 Thread Justin Pryzby
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: libncar-graphics Version : 4.4.0 and counting, quickly Upstream Author : UCAR, C/O Mary Haley * URL : http://ngwww.ucar.edu/ng/ * License : GPL2 Description : scientific visualization suite from UCAR Graphi

Re: Debianized ndiswrapper-source is better on SourceForge

2005-01-10 Thread Sam Watkins
Even if the d-d for ndiswrapper has done something wrong or not, even if the upstream package is better (I don't know the facts, and I'm not personally interested), it is NOT necessary to be rude and go on the offensive like this. Please simply state your case, using calm language and unadorned fa

Re: System snapshots

2005-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 06:40:39PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Otavio Salvador] > > No because some applications doesn't depends only of configuration > > files but data-files. When you purge then, all data files will be > > removed together (in major of times). Another problem is how you

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