On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:40:58 +0200, Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Again, are you volunteering to go out and learn how to do it? Or
>> is this yet another time wasting rant?
>>
>>> Heck, If I were a DD, I would be glad to help whereever
>>> needed. T
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:27:41 +0900, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 12:14:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:23:48 +0900, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> said:
>>
>> > And why not, instead of freezing unstable, make it build against
>
Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 12:56:36PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > It may sound a bit radical, but core points have been mentioned in the
> > thread already. I suggest to do it in a more radical way:
> >
> > - unstable lockdown in the freeze
> > - drop Testing and co
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:30:37 +0200, Sven Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava [u] wrote on 23/10/2004 21:43:
>>> I must admit I thought something similar: Why the hell are there
>>> only two people who know how to do it, when two people doesn't
>>> seem to be enough?
>> Are you vo
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 12:11:51AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
[...]
> If unstable is not a distribution, what the hell is the point
> of having all the paraphernalia of unstable around? The whole point
> of uploading to unstable is to have people test packages in
> unstable.
If peop
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:29:35AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > But I think you're right... it's not about getting work done, it's about
> > politics and a orwellian "all users are equal, DDs are more equal" nonsense.
> > With every day passing by, it seems even more clearly to me that Debian
Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 12:14:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:23:48 +0900, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > > And why not, instead of freezing unstable, make it build against
> > > testing, when er try to freeze testing ?
> >
> >
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> Is there really a developer out there that doesn't do even the most
> rudimentary VC by keeping copies of all the source packages he has
> uploaded/worked on ?
FWIW: I've heard so...
Regards,
Joey
--
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On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:41:13AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Is this the case even if the firmware is in a flash chip attached to the
> device? If the total amount of non-free software on a user's system is
> the same regardless, why are we concerned about how it's packaged?
'kay, this has a
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 04:20:16AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Argh. Sorry, I shouldn't be allowed to post while drunk. That was meant
> to go to -legal, not -devel.
And i shouldn't have replied without looking at the To: field.
Mike
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 07:53:27AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Err... experimental ABI changes are for experimental. Confirmed ABI
> and API changes are for unstable (or whatever you want to call the
> development branch). We must not hide those changes from the future
> stable distribution s
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:40:31 +0200, Wesley W Terpstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 12:27:25PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>> Wesley W. Terpstra dijo [Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:59:36PM +0200]:
>> > At this point my question is only academic; the pure-gcc in main,
>> > icc-prebui
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:52:17 +0900, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 12:11:51AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> [...]
>> If unstable is not a distribution, what the hell is the point of
>> having all the paraphernalia of unstable around? The whole point
>> of uplo
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On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 11:08:17PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:46:32 +1000, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > A huge rush of air fills the list as hundreds of developers fill
> > their lungs to collectively say "I don't use version control"...
>
> Real
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:35:02 +0200, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Let's be honest... how many of us will download full CD set of sarge?
A lot of clueless newbies will. It's already common with woody. Almost
daily, Usenet groups will receive articles like "now I have download
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Did these reports stop, or is there something wrong with my email?
The last one I could find in my debian-devel-announce mail folder is
from 2004-05-14.
This is what I wondered every week but was to lazy to ask. Either something
is broken or our both
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Are you, then, setting up a system for the security team to be
> able to build packages for testing? (you did mention you needed no
> further help from anybody). Is there a reason you are not indeed
> putting things in place?
I already have, as far as poss
Hi, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> Is there really a developer out there that doesn't do even the most
> rudimentary VC by keeping copies of all the source packages he has
> uploaded/worked on ?
What for? You can always get your old versions from snapshots.debian.net.
SCNR,
--
Matthias Ur
On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 12:57 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:04:32 -0700, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 02:11:44AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> >> Here's an idea I just had about apt-proxy/apt-cacher NG. Maybe this
> >> could be i
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> That is a simple branching issue in the version control
>> system, no?
>
> A huge rush of air fills the list as hundreds of developers fill their
> lungs to collectively say "I don't use version control"...
AFAIK, it has nothing to do with VC.
> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Wouter> It's not actually version 2 yet, but the current apt-proxy
Wouter> in unstable is supposed to be apt-proxy v2.
This version isn't in testing, hence part of my confusion. The other
part comes from the fact apt-proxy 1.9.
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 02:33:24PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
> Gergely Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> It may sound a bit radical, but core points have been mentioned in the
> >> thread already. I suggest to do it in a more radical way:
> >>
> >> - unstable lockdown in the freeze
> >>
On Saturday 23 October 2004 05:42, Kevin Mark wrote:
> Your ability to
> ask for features in the software programs that you use is one of the
> advantages of libre/free software.
Errm, can't you do so with any piece of software out there? The advantage of
free software is that you can do it your
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 01:26:09AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [BugScan reporter]
> > Bug stamp-out list for May 14 06:01 (CST)
> >
> > Total number of release-critical bugs: 565
> > Number that will disappear after removing packages marked [REMOVE]: 1
> > Number that have a patch: 79
> > N
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 11:08:32AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 01:26:09AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> > [BugScan reporter]
> > > Bug stamp-out list for May 14 06:01 (CST)
> > >
> > > Total number of release-critical bugs: 565
> > > Number that will disappear after r
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 12:34:54PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 11:08:32AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 01:26:09AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> > > [BugScan reporter]
> > > > Bug stamp-out list for May 14 06:01 (CST)
> > > >
> > > > Total
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 12:34:54PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> They are; I received one just last week.
>
> If they're not reaching you, I suggest you check your d-d-a subscription
> and/or your spam filter.
How did you receive a mail to d-d-a which is not even in the archive ?
http://lists.d
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 11:08:32AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> As far as I can tell, the reports are still being mailed as normal.
> Perhaps a listmaster could investigate why they're not reaching the
> debian-devel-announce readership.
Perhaps they hit the maximum message size or something?
/*
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:04:41 +0200, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As soon as testing is strictly equal to unstable regarding package
> versions, testing is roughly ready for release.
I think this observation is acute -- as applied to the _current_
"testing" mechanism.
Personally, I v
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Hi.
This is no longer an RFS, I posted this RFS here quite a while ago, this is
now a "plea" for: What should I do?
My program is an MEncoder frontend which depends on MPlayer, if I am not
mistaken, that means it belongs in contrib. I have completed a Debian
package, have been looking for a s
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Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IIRC, you're one of those Ubuntus, right? No more to be said then...
I am not an employee of Canonical, and nor have I ever been.
--
Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> #include
IMHO it's somewhat silly to "stop the experiment now" and drop testing.
Although there are problems with testing, there *are* well-known positives
of having it.
Yes, there are problems with current scheme. So one should write down the
facts and do a careful, in-detail, emotion-less an
Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 07:53:27AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Err... experimental ABI changes are for experimental. Confirmed ABI
> > and API changes are for unstable (or whatever you want to call the
> > development branch). We must not hide those changes from the fut
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This plugin
El dom, 24-10-2004 a las 09:14 +0200, Andreas Tille escribiÃ:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>
> > Did these reports stop, or is there something wrong with my email?
> > The last one I could find in my debian-devel-announce mail folder is
> > from 2004-05-14.
> This is what I wo
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 01:14:25PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > IIRC, you're one of those Ubuntus, right? No more to be said then...
> I am not an employee of Canonical, and nor have I ever been.
Ok, sorry then for that point.
--
Ciao... //
Ingo \X/
#include
* Nikita V. Youshchenko [Sun, Oct 24 2004, 03:53:23PM]:
> > #include
>
> IMHO it's somewhat silly to "stop the experiment now" and drop testing.
> Although there are problems with testing, there *are* well-known positives
> of having it.
All the known positives are outweighted by the n
#include
* Gergely Nagy [Sat, Oct 23 2004, 10:44:58PM]:
> > - unstable lockdown in the freeze
> > - drop Testing and concentrate on work instead of wasting time on
> >synching stuff. This eliminates the need for testing-security. See
> >the last part of the paper for details.
>
> Doing
#include
* Steinar H. Gunderson [Sat, Oct 23 2004, 10:36:16PM]:
> > - unstable lockdown in the freeze
> > - drop Testing and concentrate on work instead of wasting time on
> >synching stuff. This eliminates the need for testing-security. See
> >the last part of the paper for details.
>
#include
* Joey Hess [Sat, Oct 23 2004, 08:36:18PM]:
> > not look appear as critical for maintainer, or not important enough to touch
> > package in the holy "frozzen" state). Such bugs are a disaster, they make
> > our definition of a Stable release absurd. Yes, Debian Stable has become a
> > bu
#include
* Marco d'Itri [Sat, Oct 23 2004, 10:06:24PM]:
> On Oct 23, Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ABSTRACT
> You are trying to force developers to work on item x, which they dislike,
> by forcing them to not work on item y, which they like more. You are
> apparently oblivious to
#include
* Wouter Verhelst [Sun, Oct 24 2004, 11:41:33AM]:
> > Very few bug reports from testing users are of any value at all.
>
> I respectfully disagree here.
>
> With most of my packages, bugs get filed only when the transition to
> testing has been complete for quite a while already, excep
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:53:23PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
> > #include
> Yes, there are problems with current scheme. So one should write down the
> facts and do a careful, in-detail, emotion-less analysis of each problem
> and it's reasons.
Trivial analysis:
* One of Testi
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 07:32:18AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > You _are_ aware that this is approximately how it was done before woody, no?
> With three 1-month test cycles to get frozen into a reasonable and releaseable
> state?
Eh? potato was frozen on the 16th January, 2000; it was release
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 06:48:31AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> There are package that never enter testing and nobody notice because
> everyone use unstable (sometimes because of buggy dependencies).
This isn't true: http://www.debian-administration.org/?poll=3
Sure, it's a tiny enough sample th
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Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Sun, Oct 24, 2004:
> This has been integrated into the acpi.sf.net patch, so is fairly likely
> to end up in the mainstream kernel before too long.
Oh never read of that, do you have some pointers? Are you sure it's
the same driver? Thanks!
Regards,
Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Package name: ibm-acpi
This has been integrated into the acpi.sf.net patch, so is fairly likely
to end up in the mainstream kernel before too long.
--
Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > - unstable lockdown in the freeze
> > > - drop Testing and concentrate on work instead of wasting time on
> > >synching stuff. This eliminates the need for testing-security. See
> > >the last part of the paper for details.
> >
> > Doing this would result in many users who currently
Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
> * Joey Hess [Sat, Oct 23 2004, 08:36:18PM]:
>
> > > not look appear as critical for maintainer, or not important enough to
> > > touch
> > > package in the holy "frozzen" state). Such bugs are a disaster, they make
> > > our definition of a Stable release absurd.
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:44:47PM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote:
>
> Getting people motivated should not be done in a way that makes - I hope
> - many of them unhappy. To get back to your point - blocking uploads to
> unstable will not make more people concentrate on the release. They'll
> surely fi
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On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 01:37:21AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> This is incorrect, t-p-u is indeed supported by buildds -- though
> >> this paragraph seems to be more like a rant than anything else.
> > Okay, it's a month old, but there hasn't been any since.
> > http://lists.debian.org/deb
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:48:04AM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:04:41 +0200, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As soon as testing is strictly equal to unstable regarding package
> > versions, testing is roughly ready for release.
> If Jérôme's observation is
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>
> * Nikita V. Youshchenko [Sun, Oct 24 2004, 03:53:23PM]:
> > > #include
> >
> > IMHO it's somewhat silly to "stop the experiment now" and drop
> > testing. Although there are problems with testing, there *are*
> > well-known positives
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 12:56:36PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> One of the first and most known things: it puts a lot of outdated packages on
> the head of our users! Yes, testing sounds like a good compromise for people
> that want to have bleeding edge software without taking the risk, but we sa
Hallo! Du (Colin Watson) hast geschrieben:
>As far as I can tell, the reports are still being mailed as normal.
>Perhaps a listmaster could investigate why they're not reaching the
>debian-devel-announce readership.
a lot of funny spamassassin-hits pushed the report to junk.
I added a temporary(
Hi,
I'm now in Vienna and I'm wondering if there's someone interested
in keysigning (and/or a coffee and/or a beer), please contact me.
kind regards,
filippo
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 01:37:21AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > Okay, it's a month old, but there hasn't been any since.
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/09/msg5.html
> > "We are also still missing official autobuilders for
> > testing-proposed-updates on alpha
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 05:15:30PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> There's more to a package name than just being a key to tools. It is
> the name by which one remembers the software, even when he or she
> doesn't really know it; it is the name one uses when asking a friend
> (or Dr. Google) abou
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* Johannes Rohr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> [Cc'ing to debian-devel. Maybe others want to comment on this. Firefox
> 1.0x is currently kept out of Sid/Sarge because most translations are
> not yet available. Therefore Sarge is likely to be released with Firefox
> 0.9.3]
>
> Hi,
>
> the latest
settle down, gezz. 2 million emails.
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Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 04:31:52AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
I would suggest a name like kde-$FOO-style to be used (e.g.,
kde-baghira-style) for packages that provide a widget style for
QT/KDE, and include kwin decoration (if they exist) in the same
package. (*)
Raphaël 'SurcouF' Bordet wrote:
Jose Luis Tallon wrote:
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On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 02:43:18PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:10:26 +0200, Sven Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Ingo Juergensmann [u] wrote on 22/10/2004 18:35:
> >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 06:13:46PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> >>
> >>> Because they have
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 12:25:48PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On 20041022T134825+0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> >> Before "testing", the RM used to freeze unstable and people were
> >> working on fixing bugs. There were pretest cycles with
"Nikita V. Youshchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > IMHO it's somewhat silly to "stop the experiment now" and drop
>> > testing. Although there are problems with testing, there *are*
>> > well-known positives of having it.
>>
>> All the known positives are outweighted by the negative issues as
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 11:35:19AM +0200, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote:
> On Saturday 23 October 2004 05:42, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > Your ability to
> > ask for features in the software programs that you use is one of the
> > advantages of libre/free software.
>
> Errm, can't you do so with any piece of s
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:10:26 +0200, Sven Mueller wrote:
> Heck, If I were a DD, I would be glad to help whereever needed. The most
> pressing bits seem to be (from my POV):
> 1) buildd network (especially because of sarge/security)
> 2) ftpmaster (seems to be overwhelmed in work for months now)
>
* José Luis Tallón [Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:53:46 +0200]:
> Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> >For the sake of consistency, I would suggest kde-theme-$FOO. This is
> >what enlightenment, jsboard, opie, and even previous incarnations of KDE
> >itself use (kdeartwork-theme-*).
note that the * part is not the
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:28:20 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>
>> Is there really a developer out there that doesn't do even the most
>> rudimentary VC by keeping copies of all the source packages he has
>> uploaded/worked on ?
>
> What for? You can always
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